i just got this email alert in my email from vaportek USA? idk if its legit or not? its regarding a survey and how flavors play a part in helping us with quitting smoking anyways heres the link. https://vaportekusa.us3.list-manage...1bd4b45a9236596ab9&id=b6131763fb&e=c71c1de2cc
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Yes. I have concluded, after watching events unfold, that the US government is desperately afraid that a new generation of smokers is not being bred. The US also knows that total prohibition does not work, so (IMHO only as always) they are doing what they "think" they can to discourage teens from vaping.
Whether their efforts will accomplish that, I have no idea, but I find it very, very sad that taxation trumps public heath and that the misinformation being spread across society is causing non-vapers to view this as a "positive" step.
Perhaps, the Juuling kids in school could be handed packs of Marlboros, (ultralights) and get told that it's safer to smoke, since there is less nicotine than in the Juul and etc.
It just wouldn't shock me a bit at this point, and I really really wish the government would just make up its mind, not this death by a thousand cuts deal.
But, anyone not prepared to vape for a life time (without any vaping purchases) is now the frog, in the slowly heated water, going "Maybe it's just a warming trend." Nope. AND, I took the flavor survey because we still MUST fight back, and I wish more people were taking it.
Take the survey. We're all going to suffer anyway, but take it!!!!!!!!!!!
Anna
Whether their efforts will accomplish that, I have no idea, but I find it very, very sad that taxation trumps public heath and that the misinformation being spread across society is causing non-vapers to view this as a "positive" step.
Perhaps, the Juuling kids in school could be handed packs of Marlboros, (ultralights) and get told that it's safer to smoke, since there is less nicotine than in the Juul and etc.
It just wouldn't shock me a bit at this point, and I really really wish the government would just make up its mind, not this death by a thousand cuts deal.
But, anyone not prepared to vape for a life time (without any vaping purchases) is now the frog, in the slowly heated water, going "Maybe it's just a warming trend." Nope. AND, I took the flavor survey because we still MUST fight back, and I wish more people were taking it.
Take the survey. We're all going to suffer anyway, but take it!!!!!!!!!!!
Anna
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So now I need to stock up on a life's worth of vaping supplies, just like guns, ammo, food, water ... and god only knows what else. I actually have bulk tobacco and booze stashed for barter goods.. I'm beginning to feel like a paranoid Conspiratorial nut case, Which I don't think I am.
I wish the government would just leave us ALL alone Period.
I wish the government would just leave us ALL alone Period.
Well, you don't have to. But a prudent person (which it sounds like you are) should certainly consider it. Even if they end up not banning anything, I'm confident they will tax it heavily.
The government doesn't seem to be worried about banning fruit and mint flavored booze. Maybe that's because you have to show ID to buy. Why not just require ID for ejuice purchases?
If selling flavored eliquid was banned most, if not all, of the walk in shops would disappear, where most smokers in the US get started. I suspect the number of kids who are regular ecig users is much lower than we're lead to believe and that most of the kids who posess vape gear got it with the acceptance and probably assistance of their parents.
It's disturbinng that school administrators would rather talk about kids puffing on ecigs than about problems with drugs, alcohol, obesity, and chronic illnesse caused by unhealthy food. I bet if you inspected the cafeterias of those schools you'll likely find vending machines with sugar sweetened drinks and you'd find the schools get a percent of the sales. A lot of schools are not healthy places and the reasons have nothing to do with vaping.
It's disturbinng that school administrators would rather talk about kids puffing on ecigs than about problems with drugs, alcohol, obesity, and chronic illnesse caused by unhealthy food. I bet if you inspected the cafeterias of those schools you'll likely find vending machines with sugar sweetened drinks and you'd find the schools get a percent of the sales. A lot of schools are not healthy places and the reasons have nothing to do with vaping.
I'm pretty stocked up on flavors. When they go bad I am gonna use mah creativity to buy more. You really can't stock up like crazy on flavors, they have a shelf life. I don't think anyone knows how long it is past a certain point, and it's probably different for each flavor. But, past a certain point I have to go, "stocking up on more flavors isn't worth my time, there's no way I will use all I have before they start to go bad.
Flavors will be obtainable IMO they are ubiquitous. It will be a mater of figuring out how to convert them.
Some of the vendors who sell flavors are really offering a lot of financial incentives, lately. I find that somewhat worrying, but it's moot. I'm not going to use up all the flavors I have most likely, before they start go go bad. That's the annoying thing about flavors, how well they hold up and under what conditions (I refrigerate mine, but our ambient indoor temps hover around 80 degrees (inside) so I feel like doing that is probably better than trying to find someplace "cool and dark" besides the refrigerator.
Although yes, I am no fan of how the government enjoys holding us hostage, that is fort sure.
Anan
Flavors will be obtainable IMO they are ubiquitous. It will be a mater of figuring out how to convert them.
Some of the vendors who sell flavors are really offering a lot of financial incentives, lately. I find that somewhat worrying, but it's moot. I'm not going to use up all the flavors I have most likely, before they start go go bad. That's the annoying thing about flavors, how well they hold up and under what conditions (I refrigerate mine, but our ambient indoor temps hover around 80 degrees (inside) so I feel like doing that is probably better than trying to find someplace "cool and dark" besides the refrigerator.
Although yes, I am no fan of how the government enjoys holding us hostage, that is fort sure.
Anan
I think probably less than before (although, I'm sure they are trying their hardest.) I imagine a fair amount of lobbying happens.
What I found interesting was Phillip Morris's heat not burn product not gaining approval. They spent a LOT of money on development and testing and a PMTA (I think) and have rolled it out in other markets, and I'm fairly sure they thought the US might be a bonanza for them. It wasn't approved, and I'm betting they had some shock over that.
How that impacts vaping I'm not sure. It's possible the FDA did just not want approve any "vape products" right before reeling them in heavily. It may have been the fact that it was vape like, not big tobacco, or just it's kind of a not so great system.
I doubt highly whether or not big tobacco lobbyists are getting very far, with the FDA at least. I kind of think they have some plans already in motion, but not rolled out.
Whether BT lobbyists are able to influence Congress in some ways, I really don't know.
Everyone seems to be a bit on edge, including big tobacco. I genuinely think that they feel their ability to "sell" tobacco is going to be curtailed in some ways as well, and I am betting they are not happy about that. Etc. Nor the decline in teen smoking rates. Unfortunately that might be one area where they gain some traction, many states are getting pretty overheated about their tobacco drug money coming in.
Again, just my opinion as always.
Anna
What I found interesting was Phillip Morris's heat not burn product not gaining approval. They spent a LOT of money on development and testing and a PMTA (I think) and have rolled it out in other markets, and I'm fairly sure they thought the US might be a bonanza for them. It wasn't approved, and I'm betting they had some shock over that.
How that impacts vaping I'm not sure. It's possible the FDA did just not want approve any "vape products" right before reeling them in heavily. It may have been the fact that it was vape like, not big tobacco, or just it's kind of a not so great system.
I doubt highly whether or not big tobacco lobbyists are getting very far, with the FDA at least. I kind of think they have some plans already in motion, but not rolled out.
Whether BT lobbyists are able to influence Congress in some ways, I really don't know.
Everyone seems to be a bit on edge, including big tobacco. I genuinely think that they feel their ability to "sell" tobacco is going to be curtailed in some ways as well, and I am betting they are not happy about that. Etc. Nor the decline in teen smoking rates. Unfortunately that might be one area where they gain some traction, many states are getting pretty overheated about their tobacco drug money coming in.
Again, just my opinion as always.
Anna
Yes, IQOS is available in numerous other markets, including Canada.
There was some committee that recommended against PM's MRTA, but as far as I'm aware, the FDA has not made a final decision on it. Even if the MRTA is rejected, I'm confident PM also filed a PMTA (just like Swedish Match did), and I'd be shocked if that wan't approved.
Through April of 2017 46 states collect $ 119,516,369,701.96 in MSA money. The three states that scream the loudest about vaping NY, CA and IL are in the top five recipients. So can BT influence the government? I think they already have and will continue to through an an ongoing revenue flow for several states.
New York $15,157,526,579.27
California $14,824,535,963.49
Pennsylvania * $6,506,269,985.55
Ohio $5,781,815,200.45
Illinois $5,351,962,587.72
Living in Illinois I know what Dick Durbin is like, he's all about the money but hide's behind the children.
New York $15,157,526,579.27
California $14,824,535,963.49
Pennsylvania * $6,506,269,985.55
Ohio $5,781,815,200.45
Illinois $5,351,962,587.72
Living in Illinois I know what Dick Durbin is like, he's all about the money but hide's behind the children.
That's what they are all about. The children thing is only a lame and easy excuses to rally people that will not look / think further.
And the saddest thing of all that, is that they hide all that behind the "law".... That become some real absurdity for somes points.
The real absurdity is they create the laws that they later hide behind and currently they are unstoppable.
yeah, it have nothing to do with "law" under certain circumstances, that's just manipulation to just fk things down.
There is really nothing right in what they are actualy doing.
I mean, doing somes regulation / rules to effectively, and correctly inform ppl that juice arent candy / drink or whatever else.
Sure, of course, but this....
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