Yep, they're $91 shipped.
I'm in the dining car! I love bottom airflow atties, and the Lancia looks to be the best suited for BF'ing.
Catfish atty mods.
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Yep, they're $91 shipped.
I'm in the dining car! I love bottom airflow atties, and the Lancia looks to be the best suited for BF'ing.
I was also very curious about the Vaprev edition. I'm pretty sure the Derringer that they were selling a first run that they had ordered and sent out to be customized and they just came back from being customized. The other possibility is that they were clones. If you have been around a while and paid close attention they did the same thing a few years ago with a "Vaprev edition Chi You" that got them in a lot of trouble. As I recall this was the origin of the "King mod". Do a google search for details. I have been very leery of Vaperev ever since. I'm hoping it was my first scenario as I like to believe people and companies can learn from their mistakes as I have tried to.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...mixania-vs-fasttech-hcigar-nemesis-clone.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...surefire-vapors-king-mod-chi_you-clone-2.html
Or maybe they can't learn....
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...mixania-vs-fasttech-hcigar-nemesis-clone.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...surefire-vapors-king-mod-chi_you-clone-2.html
Or maybe they can't learn....
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Clarification: the Derringer bf v1.2 is $85 +$6 domestic priority shipped. To Canada adds $20 to the $85, all other countries add $25.
I used to factor in the shipping price into attys but there are options that need to be considered. I do not ship first class except for miscellaneous hardware requests. I have been burned by USPS too many times with first class, ask MusikHead. It took me three tries to get him a shipment; neither of us were very happy about it.
CH, did you want us to prepay on the extra accessories for the derringer? I can prepay for all of it if you want. It looks like they are going to be ready to ship around the same time that I will be in the hospital and I don't want to miss the notice [emoji6]
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That is interesting you say that, as I have never known them to even sell a clone at all... They were one of the first vape shops in L.A. and to this day has one of the biggest followings, it would seem... I followed both threads you linked to back in the day, and its funny the only mention it either seems to be in reference to an authentic VapeRev device or devices and not a VapeRev clone... The VapeRev King was an actual authentic device, same as the Nemi, Chi-You, and others... Did I miss something there or then? The clone reference was in that Surefire Vapors knocked off the Chi-You from Mojo and VapeRev was going to sell them!!!
As I mentioned earlier, the owner has stupid amounts of cash and somehow got into the pockets of Antmomixani, Surefire, Mojo, Atmizoo, Atmistique, and a few others and had VapeRev editions of everything made, purely so it would have his name attached to it and he can make a couple more $ on them... As to the Derringer, It would seem he is an actual Praxis dealer... My guess would be they were neither re-worked or clones, but maybe his money was more appealing to Praxis to actually get SS posts in his batch... This would also explain why his atty's didn't hit his site for over a month past you, (us), getting yours, (ours),... After the initial run that ours came from they made a batch for him w/ SS center post. That could be a likely scenario too....
That would be correct my friend... USPS screwed up big time and no, neither of us were happy... btw, fixed that for you...
While we are correcting frivolous errors..... muzichead
The "m" isn't capitalized in your title....
See what I did there?
I feel the love brotha....
Maybe I should have Doogie change my sig banner now....
I have spoken to Brett (the outward face of Praxis) at length and he just doesn't seem the type to allow others to dictate product offerings. I committed to buy 250 Derringers scaled down to 18mm sight unseen and he said not a chance. He proposed a 14mm something or other, I was not impressed. Perhaps I missed an opportunity but in light of how many Derringer BFs I will have sold once the current run is shipped I don't believe we are a force that he can ignore. I forsee big things in smaller packages from Praxis. I for one am impressed with them.
You do have to admit, what you were asking for was a total re-design of his atty, (that hadn't even hit the market yet), only for it to be one of the top atty's around. I could see where he would say no... If memory serves me, Loki also said no to a smaller diameter as well. Might not have been you he told, but the masses in general. You need to just bite the bullet and get the equipment to start making your own atty's. It's time... I don't think anyone would care if you made an 18/19mm Reactor w/ AFC or a 16mm Odin or Magma... Just as long as it was you that was making them. Why should these mfg's be making all the money... I say it's time for Tom to start making all the money.... Enough with the re-tooling... Let's get on the mfg train brotha....
I feel the love brotha....
No way! I would have your title changed. The lower case "m" just doesn't suit your persona. Your opinions WILL be heard! You will not be simply dismissed. I'm the same way; we can smell our own... Personally in my Tenure in my current capacity I simply couldn't have chosen a better "Enforcer"!
Hell hath no fury like a musikhead with a sub-standard atty, and to this I can attest.
I will never forget the Odin clone with the vent holes .4mm above the deck. That one has stuck with me and that was 5 months ago or more. I often times use musikhead as my barometer of quality control.
Muzic, Craig from Loki said a month ago he is designing a 14 or 16 mm atty for bottom feeding. I thought he never would either but apparently he listened to what people wanted!
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I might get to the point where I'm making the occasional one off but me actually making attys for distribution just isn't going to happen. The equipment to make an atty start to finish costs millions of dollars not to mention the cost of the consumables; carbide end mills are expensive and fragile. As far as I'm aware no one in this bussiness machines their own attys. I spoke with Cisco yesterday on this very topic. Buying the requisite equipment to machine attys and to use it only to do so even at the ridiculous mark up that is the ECig industry you would never be able to pay for the machinery. This has become a harsh reality to me. I would love to own a full scale machine shop with all the Swiss machinery to produce such small and intricate parts but My pockets will never be that deep in just feeding the bottom feeder clientele that I currently serve. The way every company that I'm aware of does it is a rough prototype is made and submitted to a machine shop (as I have done with the reactor/afc) and the shop will take a few days to look it over to see if they have the correct machinery to build the parts, and it goes from there. The problem for me/us is the tooling costs to be spread out over the run. It can take days to set up for a few processes and when you are are only doing 100-200 pieces that makes the final cost per unit very high. The reality is nobody wants an 18mm atty other than bottom feeders and the bottom feeder market is still too small to make a 2000+ piece commitment.
Real world numbers: the Reactor AFC would cost me $75 per piece for 100 pieces. At 1000 pieces the cost is $42-45. When I put up a dibs list just to see how viable the concept is I came up with less than 25 people. I double everything when it comes to marketability so call it 50.
To make the atty even worth the aggravation I would have to build them out of the pieces supplied to me by the machine shop (hoping that there are no duds) and sell them. Based on the 100 piece cost of $75 per piece that still have to be cleaned, assembled, possibly even re-finished how much would you charge for this atty? The simple answer is $100. The next question you have to ask yourself; at the price point of $100 how many do you really expect to sell? $100 borders on real money. Best case scenario: I sell all 100 attysattys at $100 for a total of 10k but I have invested $7500 plus tthe hours cleaning, building and refinishing and the ancillary costs to do so. Net profit $2500 actual profit after paying helpers, paying for harware, orings, cleaning supplies, abrasives for refinishing; actual profit less than $1000. Now factor in only selling 80 pieces....
My previous post was more of a kick in the
to you... I, as many others here, want to see a CAM product whether it be by you or a farmed out job... Bottom line is a CAM product. If you made it or had it made, I am sure the avenue's some of us have, they would get sold... I am fully aware of the costs of machines and tooling... I worked in the industrial tool & supply industry for 25+yrs and even had my own business selling machinery, tooling, fasteners, and other goodies... I know the costs. Millions is very over exaggerated btw....but I get the point...You at the moment have around 150 atty's from Praxis sold and haven't even touched them yet! Lets say for arguments sake you are only making say $25 a piece off them... If you add that to the $25-$30 each Praxis is making off you, you just doubled your money... Sure there are some headache's involved, but you have those right now anyway...
... I do think its a reality for you and I have mad faith in you bro....
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I'm in total agreement! Catfish attys for the win!!
Well I should read all the posts before I comment. I certainly see your point Tom. May not be financially feasible to actually manufacture them yourself.
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My previous post was more of a kick in the
Yeah MH, you tell em ta git off his Azz on this, I'll back ya, I'll be right behind ya
This is only in response to the fact that the Odin has been outclassed for months but the bottom feeders have kept it alive. The Mephisto, the Nuppin, and now the Derringer all have the odin beat.
My previous post was more of a kick in the
You at the moment have around 150 atty's from Praxis sold and haven't even touched them yet! Lets say for arguments sake you are only making say $25 a piece off them... If you add that to the $25-$30 each Praxis is making off you, you just doubled your money... Sure there are some headache's involved, but you have those right now anyway...
I agree on all of the points except the over exaggeration part, most of these attys unless built like the Odin (Shiite simple) require Swiss machinery which is outlandishly expensive. Sure a basic tomach CNC mill and lathe could build the Odin but I have no inclination to do so. I don't compromise (only child syndrome). The CAM1 will be awesome not something that looks like it was made in shop class like the Odin.
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