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CDC Identified Culprit in Vaping Related Deaths

Discussion in 'General Cannabis Discussion' started by Surf Monkey, Nov 8, 2019.

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  1. Surf Monkey

    Surf Monkey Cartel Boss ECF Veteran

    May 28, 2009
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  2. plumeguy

    plumeguy Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Not surprised to read that 3 of 23 patients (13%) lied about using THC.

    Something that would have been known months ago with a non-corrupt scientific investigation with blood/urine labs done.

    By their fraudulent reporting the CDC and its SHAMI study has resulted in dozens of Americans dying unnecessarily.
     
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  3. icepickmaker84

    icepickmaker84 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 7, 2019
    Indiana
    I said people lied from the start and people thought I was nuts. My opinion was they should have all been tested regardless of consent, it’s for the kids after all...see how it works both ways.
     
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  4. Yaker

    Yaker Full Member

    Aug 1, 2016
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    Now this should get interesting, how hard science will mix with politics.
    "no pun intended":)
     
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  5. icepickmaker84

    icepickmaker84 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 7, 2019
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    You’d think it would be an oil and water situation but we’ll see.
     
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  6. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I guess the CDC figured that they had Done all the Damage they could do to e-Cigarettes.

    So Now was as Good of a Time as ever to come out and Hit Us with the Facts.
     
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  7. Woofer

    Woofer Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 8, 2014
    PA, SK, CA
    Ahh yes, the land of the free, sweet freedom.
     
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  8. icepickmaker84

    icepickmaker84 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 7, 2019
    Indiana
    It’s for the kids. Isn’t that how it works?


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  9. Rossum

    Rossum "Chump" Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    If one wishes to be treated in a hospital for an ailment that has no clear cause, is it unreasonable for that facility to conduct non-invasive tests in an effort to narrow down possible causes? Consider also who is paying for treatment. Chances are it's not the individual being treated, but rather an insurance company or some government agency.
     
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  10. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Wouldn't a Lot depend on Who exactly would have access to the Results?

    I'd hate to see my Insurance Rates get Jacked Up because I Tested Positive for Nicotine after entering a Hospital for a Non-Nicotine Related Illness.
     
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  11. Sloth Tonight

    Sloth Tonight CF Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    ^Good point.

    I'm in favor of testing them, personally, but even if they test positive for THC it's not certain what they were using. I would test positive for THC but I haven't so much as touched one of those bootleg carts, nor do I use the legal carts. But it would definitely help narrow it down IMO. I do respect the other side of this debate though.
     
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  12. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I have to agree, if it is for the children then, heck, there is nothing to extreme. To paraphrase Barry Goldwater circa 1964, "Extremism in defense of children is no vice".
     
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  13. Woofer

    Woofer Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 8, 2014
    PA, SK, CA
    Sorry, net was down for 2 days...

    I don't consider any medical tests done without my specific knowledge and consent to be non-invasive. In this case if the results were completely anonymous I'd possibly agree the means justify the end.
     
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  14. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn The Vapor Ninja Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Today, the US President has reversed his decision to ban vape flavors. Awesome!
    However, what the CDC has done, is shameful.

    The ever-questionable CDC has done it again.
    First, they either lied, or didn't know, about opiates and caused suffering patients across the US to lose their life-giving medication.
    Now, they either lied, or didn't know, about the 'Vaping Illness'.

    Here's a great article expressing some of my feelings:
    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/11/22/heads_should_roll_at_cdc_after_botched_vaping_investigation_111314.html

    Unfortunately, the fake narrative that has echoed throughout the world, including the UK, has been 'Vaping (ecigs) is killing ppl in the US, don't vape'.
    I've seen it myself, I have just convinced a UK friend to quit tobacco and start vaping, and his father's 1st reaction was 'Don't you know vaping is killing ppl in the US, why are you vaping?'.
    This is in the UK where vaping is not only accepted, it's encouraged.

    Outrageous.
    Yes, heads should roll (figuratively) at the CDC.
     
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