Chalice III

[Henry Etta]

Twisted 29g or triple twisted 30g. I actually was able to get some MM wire in there, but it was not easy. The screws can capture big wire, it's just the space between the screw & top cap you have to be careful about. TINY deck, but definitely the easiest tiny deck to build on... I position the coil between the posts, close to the edge of the deck, and then put both leads on the inside of the posts and wrap the wire all the way around so they face the inside of the deck. Never had a short that way (*knocks on woodvil* )

 

[Sloth Tonight]

10-4, sounds like a winner. Twisted 29 rocks, so does triple twisted 30. Game on thanks Henry Etta!

 

[Matthee]

Definitely curious about the flavor. I wonder what Wakonda tastes like in a Chalice.

I vaped Wakonda in the Chalice III all day today. Tastes great. Contact coil with 2.5 mm ID, 27 g Kanthal, 0.77 ohms, ReadyXWick 3 mm.

 

[Rossum]

Micro coil with 2.5 mm ID

Contradiction in terms. I'm sure you meant to write, "Contact coil..."

 

[Henry Etta]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I always use 1.5mm id coils... I guess that's technically a micro? Or is it? Anyway, even if I just go up to 2mm I lose flavor.

 

[Rossum]

Yep, 1.5mm would qualify as a "micro". Basically, 1/16" (1.6mm) or less.

Personally, I prefer 2mm coils with a bit of spacing, but that's just me.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I've always gotten the best flavor from 2mm, but I may give 1.5mm a shot in the Chalice just to see. Never tried spaced coils; need to try that too!

 

[Mactavish]

10-4, sounds like a winner. Twisted 29 rocks, so does triple twisted 30. Game on thanks Henry Etta!

I lurk in the Catfish thread, in case I move up to an 18650 sqonk mod someday, using my Chalice on my new Reo Mini 14500 for now, but may someday need or like to try a 22mm atty, the Manta seems like an atty some compare to the Chalice in terms of flavor. Regardless, I thought I read in that thread that Catfish may have a Chalice or so, he did not care for them, then again, they are already setup as bottom feeders, so perhaps not a model that helps his business. Reason I mention this, is if you are undecided, being that you are a good customer, maybe he would lend you one to try, or maybe sell at a good price? Then again I could be totally wrong about what I thought I had read. Good luck!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I lurk in the Catfish thread, in case I move up to an 18650 sqonk mod someday, using my Chalice on my new Reo Mini 14500 for now, but may someday need or like to try a 22mm atty, the Manta seems like an atty some compare to the Chalice in terms of flavor. Regardless, I thought I read in that thread that Catfish may have a Chalice or so, he did not care for them, then again, they are already setup as bottom feeders, so perhaps not a model that helps his business. Reason I mention this, is if you are undecided, being that you are a good customer, maybe he would lend you one to try, or maybe sell at a good price? Then again I could be totally wrong about what I thought I had read. Good luck!

He's not a fan of the Chalice is my understanding; he was quoted as saying in terms of flavor, Manta vs Chalice, his nod would go to the Chalice; but he doesn't care for the super drainage of it or something. I think that's a plus myself. I must say w/r/t Manta; I think it is awesome, even in single coil mode. Awesome flavor. But the Chalice is calling my name...I just cannot help it, it's driving me insane.

 

[Mactavish]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I always use 1.5mm id coils... I guess that's technically a micro? Or is it? Anyway, even if I just go up to 2mm I loose flavor.

Interesting, since I use short cotton tails, better draining, I figured a bit more cotton in a 2mm build would retain more juice, and thus flavor. Guess I'll have to try a 1.5mm ID coil, though it goes against my original logic. So far I've been using 29g Kanthal, 1.1 ohms. Not sure personally I could tell a flavor difference between 2mm versus 1.5mm, since all this is fairly new to me. I do like when more experienced users post their builds here, helps me a great deal. Thanks!

 

[Mactavish]

He's not a fan of the Chalice is my understanding; he was quoted as saying in terms of flavor, Manta vs Chalice, his nod would go to the Chalice; but he doesn't care for the super drainage of it or something. I think that's a plus myself. I must say w/r/t Manta; I think it is awesome, even in single coil mode. Awesome flavor. But the Chalice is calling my name...I just cannot help it, it's driving me insane.

Yeah, that was the post, he disliked the fast draining, but I like DRY pockets!
What I have found thus far is over sqonking can lead to some gurgles, I think the juice can get into the internal air holes a bit, so far I just vape through it, and once and a while I rinse out the entire atty, super easy to take apart and clean, another plus over my past tanks and o-rings etc. I have yet to attempt any other "fancy" builds, so personally I hope you get one, and may then share your experiences.

 

[Henry Etta]

Interesting, since I use short cotton tails, better draining, I figured a bit more cotton in a 2mm build would retain more juice, and thus flavor. Guess I'll have to try a 1.5mm ID coil, though it goes against my original logic. So far I've been using 29g Kanthal, 1.1 ohms. Not sure personally I could tell a flavor difference between 2mm versus 1.5mm, since all this is fairly new to me. I do like when more experienced users post their builds here, helps me a great deal. Thanks!

You know, I thought so too (about 2mm being better) so I kept trying... 2mm, 2.5mm, and even 3mm- tried in all my attys, and I cannot figure out why, but 1.5mm wins every time. Might just be that it gives me the flavor that I'm use to (rather than better or more). Doesn't make sense to me at all, but, yeah, give it a try!

 

[Henry Etta]

Yeah, that was the post, he disliked the fast draining, but I like DRY pockets!
What I have found thus far is over sqonking can lead to some gurgles, I think the juice can get into the internal air holes a bit, so far I just vape through it, and once and a while I rinse out the entire atty, super easy to take apart and clean, another plus over my past tanks and o-rings etc. I have yet to attempt any other "fancy" builds, so personally I hope you get one, and may then share your experiences.

Yep, that's one more thing... make sure to get the Chalice positioned so that the coil is pointing up when you vape. Really cuts down on the gurgling. And watch the squonk a few times- really takes like no time at all. That's another thing I love about it- easiest, quickest squonking.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

That gurgling is something I'll watch out for since that never happens with my 22mm attys. W/r/t coil IDs, I'm sure a lot of that is dependent on the particular juice being used, as well as the atty itself, and of course personal subjective taste. For instance though, I'd never run larger than 2mm in a Manta myself, and never less than 2.5 in a Vector. That's just Sloth for ya

In my RM2 days I viewed 2mm as a boost in flavor over 1.5, but specifically for Got Cookie, which I no longer vape. I need to try 1.5 again, my taste buds really came alive after 6 months of no smoking.

I think my only qualm with the Chalice will be the positioning since I can't see through the air hole to make sure it's dead center of the coil. Same deal in the Manta though. Still trying to figure out the best heigth in the Manta but they all taste good so no biggie.

The Chalice has been paid for. I'll keep ya'll posted. My first build will either be an 8 or 9 wrap 26g coil 2mm, or twisted 29.

I used to swear by twisted. The boost in flavor was phenomenal until I began using Derringers, Mantas etc. With lots of airflow, the spitback from twisted is unbearable (to me). I never had spitback from twisted in the RM2. I'm thinking the same will be true of the Chalice.

 

[JC Okie]

I'm gonna chime in here....just because I love the Chalice sooooo much. By far my favorite atty. before the Chalice III I was (still am) an RM2 fan just because I'm a single coil, MTL, flavor-chaser. When I over squonk and get a gurgle (not often anymore...you just have to get used to the different squonks on every atty,) I hold a napkin around the Chalice covering the air holes on the AFC ring, then I blow on my drip tip. Juice will clear out through the holes and all is fine.

Sloth, I don't think you'll regret getting a Chalice III. IF you get it and find it's not your bag, you can always sell it. HOWEVER....I'd suggest hanging onto your bill/receipt/paperwork. There are clones out there, and it will be easier (IMHO) to sell if you can prove when/where you bought it. Sad but true. I'm very leary of buying used Chalices IIIs these days....

 

[Mactavish]

Yep, that's one more thing... make sure to get the Chalice positioned so that the coil is pointing up when you vape. Really cuts down on the gurgling. And watch the squonk a few times- really takes like no time at all. That's another thing I love about it- easiest, quickest squonking.

Yeah, I tried to learn as much as I could before getting my Reo Mini, I wrote Russ "SuperX" as well, after seeing his video on the vaping and air hole position on the new Reo's with the adjustable 510 pin. My Reo 14500 came with the 510 pin all the way down, tightened. My Chalice 3 internal air hole lines up at 10 o-clock away from my face. If I back out the 510 to attempt to get air hole to the 12 o-clock position, the atty ends up raised off the base of the mod. So I'll have to live with 10 o-clock, which is fine, I think. I believe my gurgling issues are due more to over sqonking or laying the mod down on it's side now and then, though a pocket carry might induce the same symptoms. None of these things bother me much, as its worlds better then the funky, rancid juice tastes and greater hassles of my past tanks.

 

[Mactavish]

I think my only qualm with the Chalice will be the positioning since I can't see through the air hole to make sure it's dead center of the coil. Same deal in the Manta though. Still trying to figure out the best heigth in the Manta but they all taste good so no biggie.

Not entirely sure what you mean, but I'll take a stab as I was interested in all the posts about both coil and air hole positions before I got mine. The machining is fantastic, which becomes the helpful guide to the positions of both. The lettering on the outside of the atty "Chalice III", line up perfectly, but from what I've read from other owners, NOT from every Chalice to Chalice. I own only one, so not an issue. The internal air hole always lines up with the coil, assuming you build it parallel to the posts, near the edge of the base. Then with the top off and air flow control ring off, you can see where the MAX airflow position of the ring lines up with the external engraving on the outside, in my case one of the three air holes lines up with the "C", on the word "Chalice". This is my mark for AFC ring at max air flow. Not sure I'm explaining it well, or if you know all this already, just thought I'd share what I've learned so far. In hand it will all be obvious to an experienced user like yourself.

 

[JC Okie]

Not entirely sure what you mean, but I'll take a stab as I was interested in all the posts about both coil and air hole positions before I got mine. The machining is fantastic, which becomes the helpful guide to the positions of both. The lettering on the outside of the atty "Chalice III", line up perfectly, but from what I've read from other owners, NOT from every Chalice to Chalice. I own only one, so not an issue. The internal air hole always lines up with the coil, assuming you build it parallel to the posts, near the edge of the base. Then with the top off and air flow control ring off, you can see where the MAX airflow position of the ring lines up with the external engraving on the outside, in my case one of the three air holes lines up with the "C", on the word "Chalice". This is my mark for AFC ring at max air flow. Not sure I'm explaining it well, or if you know all this already, just thought I'd share what I've learned so far. In hand it will all be obvious to an experienced user like yourself.

Mactavish, you are exactly right on....in my experience, and I have several and they all work that way. The internal air hole on mine is exactly where it should be when the atty is screwed together...right in front of the wick. And positioning one (any one) of the air holes on the AFC ring right above the capital "C" on the engraving gives me wide open air.

Sloth, these things are truly works of art. You won't believe the quality of the machining and the attention to detail in every aspect. Like I've said....my favorite atty in the world.

Edit: I don't know about say, getting the parts among several Chalices mixed up and whether or not they jive anyway. I use them separately and clean them separately, so I would never get the wrong top paired with the wrong base. Just wouldn't happen. I did have a problem once with that happening with my RM2s...that's why I mention it, and how I learned my lesson...

 

[Train2]

Gurgling happens when juice gets inside the airhole - the hole in the inside of the cap that aims air at your coil. You can take the cap off and blow it out - maybe the ring too.
To prevent it, you can fiddle with the position of the coil and wick a little - so the juice won't get in there. And avoid over-squonking.

The Chalice doesn't hold a lot of juice as mentioned - so you're gonna squonk every couple hits probably anyway...

And one more reminder Sloth!!
That deck is TINY and a wire sticking out just a TINY LITTLE BIT from a post will short against the cap! Always check a new build on an ohm-reader or regulated mod WITH THE CAP ON before firing it on your Reo or you'll drop a spring!

Yeah, I tried to learn as much as I could before getting my Reo Mini, I wrote Russ "SuperX" as well, after seeing his video on the vaping and air hole position on the new Reo's with the adjustable 510 pin. My Reo 14500 came with the 510 pin all the way down, tightened. My Chalice 3 internal air hole lines up at 10 o-clock away from my face. If I back out the 510 to attempt to get air hole to the 12 o-clock position, the atty ends up raised off the base of the mod. So I'll have to live with 10 o-clock, which is fine, I think. I believe my gurgling issues are due more to over sqonking or laying the mod down on it's side now and then, though a pocket carry might induce the same symptoms. None of these things bother me much, as its worlds better then the funky, rancid juice tastes and greater hassles of my past tanks.

 

[JC Okie]

Gurgling happens when juice gets inside the airhole - the hole in the inside of the cap that aims air at your coil. You can take the cap off and blow it out - maybe the ring too.
To prevent it, you can fiddle with the position of the coil and wick a little - so the juice won't get in there. And avoid over-squonking.

The Chalice doesn't hold a lot of juice as mentioned - so you're gonna squonk every couple hits probably anyway...

And one more reminder Sloth!!
That deck is TINY and a wire sticking out just a TINY LITTLE BIT from a post will short against the cap! Always check a new build on an ohm-reader or regulated mod WITH THE CAP ON before firing it on your Reo or you'll drop a spring!

Good point, Train2. On my RM2s, I got to where I just didn't worry about that much...I'd just push the ends of the coil up and clip them even with the top of the post screws. Now, with the Chalice III, I put the legs on the inside of the posts, tighten down the screws really well, then I twist the excess wire off. They break off closer to the posts than I could ever get by clipping them.