Charleston WV newspaper... UGH!

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Health advocates express concerns over safety of ‘vaping’ chemicals

I was so over whelmed by this article from my local newspaper I can't even begin on how to respond to this hack job. It's a shame when someone chooses "opinionated over educated". Even Oliver was quoted.

 

[Rossum]

The propaganda machine is clearly at full throttle.

Points that should be mentioned in a reply:

• The fact that Public Health England has concluded vaping reduces harm by 95% compared to smoking.
• That the "high concentrations of nicotine" are in fact, no higher than they are in traditional tobacco products.
• That formaldehyde and acetalehyde are only produced in worrisome quantities when e-cigarettes are run in "dry puff" conditions, which no vaper will tolerate in the real world.
• That the industry is moving away from that contain diacetyl and acetyl propionyl because consumers are demanding it.
• That the author should take the time to do some independent research by talking to a few people who've switched from decades of smoking to vaping and noting the almost universal improvements in health and quality of life these people are experiencing.

 

[zoiDman]

Seems like you could almost just Cut-n-Paste Rossums's post and send it to Mrs. Kersey.

Reach Lori Kersey at Lori.Kersey@wvgazettemail.com, 304-348-1240 or follow @LoriKerseyWV on Twitter.

BTW - I would include Links to the England's Public Health department findings.

E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review - Press releases - GOV.UK

E-cigarettes: an evidence update - Publications - GOV.UK

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - When people contact Mrs. Kersey, they might mention that CDC says that 480,000 people Die every year from Smoking Related Illnesses. And 41,000 of these Deaths are from 2nd Hand Smoke.

Cigarette Smoking in the United States - Tips From Former Smokers

So the Next Time she decides to write an Article about something that has been Shown to get people off Smoking, perhaps she should Weigh all the Facts of Potential Harm caused by e-Cigarettes, verses Known Harm from Smoking.

Then Quantify the Numbers and ask Herself if she is really doing a Service to her Community or Not?

 

[Jman8]

It is kind of fascinating that someone (non-vaper) could read this article and have conclusions, even knowledge, that asserts vaping is dangerous. I do get how that would happen. What fascinates me is two things. One, this is how science is perpetuated in society as accepted data, and really perpetuated as a myth or cult-like phenomenon. And fascinated because the counter position is something that many will not be exposed to or perhaps not allow themselves to be exposed to, and so when they hear it from the likes of us, they can (seemingly) only interpret it as, "he/she's really caught up in her addiction, he/she really believes all these falsehoods."

Me, when I hear just about anything science (or philosophy, or religion, or politics) is asserting, I want to hear the opposing side. Understand that. Weigh in, and be clear on position I take, but would consider it a disservice to not understand the other way of seeing things.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

I have written a few notes, and one mental note in progress, to reply to the article. I decided that my best interests would include a carefully constructed reply, and it's a little difficult to not say things like "we should also ban sugar because diabetes is a large issue in our state as well."

 

[Jman8]

I have written a few notes, and one mental note in progress, to reply to the article. I decided that my best interests would include a carefully constructed reply, and it's a little difficult to not say things like "we should also ban sugar because diabetes is a large issue in our state as well."

Agree with you, and can see that being difficult to not say that. But just realize, if you say that, they might take it seriously. That's the mentality we are up against. We think it would be ludicrous to go in that direction, they think "wow, you're right, we SHOULD ban sugar!"

 

[zoiDman]

I have written a few notes, and one mental note in progress, to reply to the article. I decided that my best interests would include a carefully constructed reply, and it's a little difficult to not say things like "we should also ban sugar because diabetes is a large issue in our state as well."

Good Call. Stay on Point. And let the Facts speak for themselves.

 

[DC2]

...so when they hear it from the likes of us, they can (seemingly) only interpret it as, "he/she's really caught up in her addiction, he/she really believes all these falsehoods."

Decades of propaganda to feed the masses.

One of the best smear campaigns ever devised in terms of success rate...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

You have to wonder why.
Why would anyone do this for any reason?

Money.

The trail of money is clear, and easily determined.
Well, for anyone that bothers to take the time to look for that trail.

And yeah, I've got a whole lotta links to offer for those that are interested.

But the sheep don't look for where the trail starts, nor do they even care.
They just follow it.

Can't say I blame them though.
They have lives to live, and other things that concern them.

That's why we MUST educate everyone the surrounds us.
And especially those that care about us.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

I'm still undecided on how to answer. I looked into the reporter a little and she co-wrote an article on December 27th about some really fancy drinks made at a Charleston bar. 1. She didn't use a Health Department official to support drinking, or say it was bad, or even take comments out of context. 2. Alcohol was glorified and romanticized in the article (the drinks did look good). 3. She didn't suggest the flavors, or any flavored alcohol would appeal to children. 4. She didn't state how many deaths a year are from alcohol. 5. She didn't state how many underage drinkers or children were poisoned by alcohol in a year. 6. She didn't state how many police calls are answered because alcohol was involved, nor state the loss of life/property. 7. She did state she was a drinker. 8. She didn't state if she had a designated driver on this night.

Throw social responsibility to the wind, the pen is mightier than the sword.

I truly believe she could very well be a nice person, but this article she wrote is at best a journalistic hack. I had my last cigarette the exact day the New England Journal of Medicine came out with their flawed "formaldehyde" study. I was like "oh no... am I going to have to go back to the cigs?" Thankfully I had the determination to stay the course and the truth finally came out. This week I reached a permanent zero nicotine level in my vape. I'll not buy any juice with nic in it again, and I can stick to it with my DIY. So far so good. Then this article hits and I just know I'm going to catch a little grief from the elderly family because of an uneducated hack piece. "It's in the newspaper it's gotta be true!"

I'm kinda surprised she didn't offer 4.5 million shares of Facebook stock from Mark Zucherberg.

 

[nicnik]

I'm still undecided on how to answer. I looked into the reporter a little and she co-wrote an article on Christmas Eve about some really fancy drinks made at a Charleston bar. 1. She didn't use a Health Department official to support drinking, or say it was bad, or even take comments out of context. 2. Alcohol was glorified and romanticized in the article (the drinks did look good). 3. She didn't suggest the flavors, or any flavored alcohol would appeal to children. 4. She didn't state how many deaths a year are from alcohol. 5. She didn't state how many underage drinkers or children were poisoned by alcohol in a year. 6. She didn't state how many police calls are answered because alcohol was involved, nor state the loss of life/property. 7. She did state she was a drinker. 8. She didn't state if she had a designated driver on this night.

Throw social responsibility to the wind, the pen is mightier than the sword.

I truly believe she could very well be a nice person, but this article she wrote is at best a journalistic hack. I had my last cigarette the exact day the New England Journal of Medicine came out with their flawed "formaldehyde" study. I was like "oh no... am I going to have to go back to the cigs?" Thankfully I had the determination to stay the course and the truth finally came out. This week I reached a permanent zero nicotine level in my vape. I'll not buy any juice with nic in it again, and I can stick to it with my DIY. So far so good. Then this article hits and I just know I'm going to catch a little grief from the elderly family because of an uneducated hack piece. "It's in the newspaper it's gotta be true!"

I'm kinda surprised she didn't offer 4.5 million shares of Facebook stock from mark Zucherberg.

Copy/paste your post and send it to her.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Copy/paste your post and send it to her.

They have the article on the FB page as well. Charleston Gazette-Mail there's been a few comments there too. Posting here I am just a horse head avatar with a sarcastic name (or true, which could be sarcasm as well). I've been more personal about this in this thread than I wish to be, mostly because every time I read the article I get a little ticked off. We've all seen this battle before. I could post 50 links to studies but she would probably only see what she wants to see and write another hack piece.

The purpose of my vape journey "includes" helping others, not hurting them. I could respond in an email, write a letter to the editor, or respond in the FB or online newspaper. I'm so ticked about this I might just have to have a drink...but I am NOT driving.

 

[Marc411]

I believe this link may be appropriate to add to my e-mail.

New e-cig study reveals crisis in journalism

 

[DC2]

I'm still undecided on how to answer. I looked into the reporter a little and she co-wrote an article on Christmas Eve about some really fancy drinks made at a Charleston bar. 1. She didn't use a Health Department official to support drinking, or say it was bad, or even take comments out of context. 2. Alcohol was glorified and romanticized in the article (the drinks did look good). 3. She didn't suggest the flavors, or any flavored alcohol would appeal to children. 4. She didn't state how many deaths a year are from alcohol. 5. She didn't state how many underage drinkers or children were poisoned by alcohol in a year. 6. She didn't state how many police calls are answered because alcohol was involved, nor state the loss of life/property. 7. She did state she was a drinker. 8. She didn't state if she had a designated driver on this night.

This is a powerful indictment of her hypocrisy.
Please post this as a comment to her article, or authorize me to do so.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

This is a powerful indictment of her hypocrisy.
Please post this as a comment to her article, or authorize me to do so.

Here is the drink article : Seasonal Sips: A Moscow Mule twist and more for your New Year's toast

I would prefer to make my own observations and reply. However, should you make your own reply and should it resemble something I have typed in this forum, feel free to use it as your own.

How I feel and what I want to express are sometimes different. I'm still working on my specific reply in words. (and happy for spell check)

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

This is a powerful indictment of her hypocrisy.
Please post this as a comment to her article, or authorize me to do so.

I had the date wrong on the article, it was December 27th, not Christmas Eve so I did a quick edit.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Another article, same newspaper. Same Health Department, different people, different reporter. State agency reports one in five W.Va. adults have tried e-cigarettes

The local health department will never come out and support vape, they are against everything that has a potential to harm anyone. It did appear the officials were "quoting off a news feed" as opposed to reading both sides of the coin.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe this link may be appropriate to add to my e-mail.

New e-cig study reveals crisis in journalism

Kinda Funny how one of the Sponsors of Website that above story is on is the 1-800-BAD-DRUG Ambulance Chasers (I mean Lawyers).

 

[Marc411]

Kinda Funny how one of the Sponsors of Website that above story is on is the 1-800-BAD-DRUG Ambulance Chasers (I mean Lawyers).

I got NicoDerm CQ

 

[zoiDman]

I got NicoDerm CQ

This is what I keep Getting right below the picture on the left of the Broken Cigarette and the Cig-a-like...

E-Cigarette Lawsuit - 1800BadDrug.com