Cheap mode vs expensive thing, or why I do not need Provary (or DNA, if you will)

[Alien Traveler]

I like this forum. I started to read it well before I registered here, and it helped me a lot – in the beginning I was highly disappointed with vaping after I bought a cigalike in my grocery store. Thanks for forum I have chosen my next thing – vamo, and I am (rather) happily vaping now; not smoking for 4 months.

My reasons to choose vamo: VV/VW (in contrast to mech modes), replaceable batteries (in contrast to MVP2), and reasonable price (in contrast to many others), so that I can simply throw it away without any remorse in case I find out I do not like vaping at all. Or when I find a better thing for me.

My reason to start this thread: many novice vapers are asking “what is the better way for me”, and too often get instructed to buy expensive things right away. Why? Vamo and provari (for example) have the same functionality. They are battery holders with circuit to change voltage as needed. That’s it. But the price is very different - $29 for vamo and $180 for provari (today’s prices). Of course, provari has much better built quality, warranty and looks. And six (6) time higher price. I understand that the forum is full of hobbyists (and I respect their hobby), but why to assume that any novice is a hobbyist also?

P.S. I am rather shy with my vaping, I do not vape in public places (except for my work, where I vape in my office when nobody is around). So, looks of vaping device are of a little importance for me.

 

[InTheShade]

Hi AT, I think your post hits the nail on the head. The Provari is a better device than a Vamo because of the reasons you mentioned.

I don't often see the Provari recommended to new vapers on these forums though. I myself am very careful about recommending an expensive device to anyone who isn't sure if they are going to become a vaper for any considerable period of time.

 

[mechanism]

If you're happy with your Vamo, I'd say stick with it, my husband has used a Vamo for over a year now. I have a Provari in my mod rack because I like the feel and performance of using it. I've had the Provari for exactly a year. I also like rebuilding coils and mixing liquids. My husband prefers to keep things simple, he swears by his Vamo and Vivi Novas and he won't use anything else. Different things are good for different people

 

[Griff.J]

I started buying DNA devices because I dislike how PWM power delivery worked. I wanted flat steady power after using 333 chip devices (Vamo) that seemed to easily cause burnt tastes. Also build quality, Vamo worked for a few months but then the fire button started being a pain in the as_. I have a NexGen Futura (DNA20), awesome device (unfortunately the company is terrible) and now a VaporShark DNA (DNA30).

Vamo: Pulse Width Modulation. example: 6volts, off, 6volts, off, 6volts, off, etc. etc. etc To simulate 3.8volts (or whatever you have it set to). This is the 33.3 chip. 33.3 Hz. people called it the 'rattle snake sound'.

Provari: Flat signal, you push the button and get the 3.8 volts you have your device set to. no simulation. Also it's build quality is waay better than a Vamo.

I don't use Provari, I don't like the one button control and I prefer a better looking display.

 

[cryptic]

In some respects I wish I would have taken the plunge to a higher end device right away. Would have saved a lot of trial and error and frustration. Unfortunately I initially spent a decent chunk on a mediocre kit. Then on to VV batteries, all sorts of cartos, clearos..etc. Now with a bunch of mechs, several VV/VWs and a slew of RBAs I'm looking at DNA30s. Mostly for the power and control. Overall I'm sure I've spent way more on the learning curve and expermenting with mediocre devices than I would have just buying a nice mod (or three) from the start.

That's me though... I keep chasing the perfect vape and I'm never satisfied. I have a friend who is perfectly content with an Evic and kanger products. You never know what's going to do the trick for a person.

 

[Weizenheimer]

Something using pwm is not the same as a provari. Of course there are cheaper devices that put out a pretty flat dc signal these days and with more power.

 

[MykOne]

It's whatever works for someone and what they can afford that makes them happy.

I used Halo cigs for 6 months when I first quit smoking and they worked great. Only problem was they broke easy, so I went through many of them. I'm kinda rough with my stuff and on the go so for me it wasn't really working out and that's why I started checking out other options and researching. The Provari seemed to be exactly what I was looking for from reading through so many reviews from other that own one. Plus it scored big points from me that it was made in the USA. Once I got my provari a couple days ago I was very impressed with the quality and can tell it's very solid and will hold up very well for me... the true test will be in a month lol

 

[danfinger]

My reason to start this thread: many novice vapers are asking “what is the better way for me”, and too often get instructed to buy expensive things right away. Why?

personally, I'd rather pay more and get something which is higher quality, than pay less and have it break on me or discover its crappy or various limitations. When I handed my Provari/Russian91 to my friend who got me started with a loaner EVOD - the first thing he said was 'whoa. This thing feels really solid.' then he took a puff off of it- "Okay, I now understand why you would spend that kind of money on this rig. THAT is a quality vape!"

Expensive vs. not expensive is purely a function of how much dough you've got to spend.

If you can afford it, why wouldn't you go with the higher quality experience?

I learned my lesson in the mountain bike world. Going cheap ends up costing more in the long run with broken parts and crappy rides. High end gear usually gives a better experience for a longer amount of time. It ends up costing less in the long run.

 

[DetraMental]

If a new vaper can afford quality equipment and is in this for the long-haul then why should it bother anyone what they buy. I'm with the others in that I wish I had bought good equipment to begin with. People are gonna suggest what worked the best for them, there should be no problem with that. The Vamo may be better now than the one I got, 2nd edition, but because of my experience with it I don't recommend it. Other's have had problems with Vamo's as well. Why would I suggest a heartache like that on someone who really wants to quit. I do the same for any other equipment I've had experience with, good or bad. It either works well or it doesn't.

 

[DetraMental]

Something using pwm is not the same as a provari. Of course there are cheaper devices that put out a pretty flat dc signal these days and with more power.

Where and what are they!? I'd like to check them out and see if I'd like to add them to my arsenal.

 

[niczgreat]

I always recommend the Itaste MVP 2 or the Itaste vv3
both can be found under $50.00.

I like recommending the MVP 2 because even after you move on/up.

With the 2-3 day battery life, and the ability to charge on the run it's a great for Trips or as a backup unit. They are also super easy and there is not battery charger decision required.

I agree the +$100.00 Apv should be bought after One's decided that they will continue vaping.

 

[niczgreat]

Where and what are they!? I'd like to check them out and see if I'd like to add them to my arsenal.

FYI the Itaste MPV 2 and the vv3 does put out flat power. Verified in a P Busardo Review.They have less power then the Provari, but will provide an identical vaping experience within their parameters.

To those interested this post explains the rattlesnake effect and discusses APV that don't have it.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nt-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html#post11203944

 

[DetraMental]

It's a good thing I've got two of them, love em, and the iTaste 3 vv too which I also have. I don't regret getting them one bit. I've got one over a year old still kicking. My iTaste 3 vv is also over a year old and still kicking. I must admit I only use them moderately.

 

[Weizenheimer]

Where and what are they!? I'd like to check them out and see if I'd like to add them to my arsenal.

Cana mods and ipv off the top of my head aside from the aforementioned itaste products (although the itastes aren't high power) they haven't been around long enough to know about longevity, but they are under 100 bucks...

 

[klynnn]

I also like my vamos, I like the button placement better than any mod I have and I have plenty. I learned a lot along the way about ohms, resistance, and rebuilding as I upgraded. I also have a Provari which works well that I put up for the apocolaypse. I just wish they would get rid of the single button menu and upgrade to vv/vw then I might buy another.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I'm glad you're not getting the response you were hoping for. Those of us who've been here for awhile have seen this a million times. "My Vamo does the same thing as your provari...AND MORE! Plus, I can buy 672 Vamos for the same price as a provari end cap!" Or..."why do you recommend a provari to a new vaper who's just trying to get off tobacco..."
Short answer: we don't.
We recommend things like provaris when people say durability, only want to buy once, warrantee, reliability, willing to spend for quality.....
Nobody says provari is the next step from a blu disposable...
Please include some links to these claims you make. It should be easy to find examples, being it happens so often.
But, doesn't it suck when you attempt to start a rumble, only to have everyone be polite and behave?

 

[klynnn]

Obviously the new member is not trying to start a rumble so relax.

 

[InTheShade]

I'm glad you're not getting the response you were hoping for. Those of us who've been here for awhile have seen this a million times. "My Vamo does the same thing as your provari...AND MORE! Plus, I can buy 672 Vamos for the same price as a provari end cap!" Or..."why do you recommend a provari to a new vaper who's just trying to get off tobacco..."
Short answer: we don't.
We recommend things like provaris when people say durability, only want to buy once, warrantee, reliability, willing to spend for quality.....
Nobody says provari is the next step from a blu disposable...
Please include some links to these claims you make. It should be easy to find examples, being it happens so often.
But, doesn't it suck when you attempt to start a rumble, only to have everyone be polite and behave?

Bad day at the office A4004? I don't think the OP is trying to start a rumble, but as you said, even if they were, what a polite and interesting bunch of responses he got.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I'm guessing it musta been a bad day. I apparently read it wrong. I'm sorry, op!

 

[Rangertrix]

Depending on what a new vaper asks for, I usually recommend a VV ego type or an MVP 2.
If they ask for extremely durable, great warranty, made in the USA, etc. I will in some cases recommend the Provari.
It's a great device, can be used at all levels of vaping, and the main reason.......if they decide vaping isn't for them it can be sold for almost it's purchase price.
The usual recommendation on ECF is, as I mentioned above, VV ego type or MVP 2 though, but the recommendation is also dependent on what type of recommendation is asked for.