Cheapest place to get button top Panny or Orbtronic NCR18650PD's u/p

[Garemlin]

Well I am out on the Provari for now so this isn't an issue anymore. Just ordered a Kamry K101 and am getting a Tesla. But still good to have this battery info to go on. As far as the Sony's I thought they were made more for mechs than for regulated devices.

 

[anumber1]

The Sony vtc5 has a 30 amp continuous discharge rating. That makes it attractive for sub ohm use. Just as Sony's previous incarnations of the 18650vtc# line.
Now with the vtc5, the mAh rating is at the same level as most 10 amp rated batteries. This makes it a good choice no matter what you are using.

I am somewhat waiting for the other shoe to drop regarding whether or not this battery truly lives up to its specs in the long run. I would love to see a bunch of independent tests!

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[Garemlin]

So the Sony is perfectly safe to use in a mech or a regulated device?? Why do I always see people saying the batteries you use in a mech are different than you use in an regulated device.

If I could just have one type of battery that would be awesome.

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[anumber1]

Batteries with a 10 amp limit are great for regulated devices as a regulated, 15 watt vamo,zmax or SID will not draw more than that.
With a fresh battery in a mech, you are going to be limited to a higher ohm build.

In short: higher amp batteries are preferred in mech mods. In the past, you traded capacity (measured in mAh) for higher peak amp limits. One could use a higher mAh battery (with lower continuous amp limits) in a regulated mod where a person would over stress the same 10 amp battery quite easily with a sub ohm build.

The Sony vtc5 is the first to offer both a high amp rating and a large capacity. That is what all the hype and fuss is about. Its the first "all around" all purpose battery.

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[Garemlin]

Batteries with a 10 amp limit are great for regulated devices as a regulated, 15 watt vamo,zmax or SID will not draw more than that.
With a fresh battery in a mech, you are going to be limited to a higher ohm build.

In short: higher amp batteries are preferred in mech mods. In the past, you traded capacity (measured in mAh) for higher peak amp limits. One could use a higher mAh battery (with lower continuous amp limits) in a regulated mod where a person would over stress the same 10 amp battery quite easily with a sub ohm build.

The Sony vtc5 is the first to offer both a high amp rating and a large capacity. That is what all the hype and fuss is about. Its the first "all around" all purpose battery.

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Gotcha. Good info. So would the Sony be better than an AW IMR????

And is this the Sony you are talking about???

Sony US18650VTC5 2600mAh 30amp

 

[anumber1]

Yep. That's the one.
The AW is an outstanding battery however. As mentioned previously, it is tested prior to branding/ wrapping to ensure it meets spec. Only AW does this.

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[Garemlin]

Yep. That's the one.
The AW is an outstanding battery however. As mentioned previously, it is tested prior to branding/ wrapping to ensure it meets spec. Only AW does this.

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So in all honesty I would not get that much better battery life from the Sony over the AW IMR??? The only benefit is the Sony would better to use in a mech.

 

[beckdg]

there are independent tests.

there was one posted about a month ago via a youtube vid for example.

there's also candle power forums and the various battery geeks throughout there sharing their info.

then there's ... AkkuDB ... and ... Battery test-review 18650 summary

so far all independent tests i've seen add up to 4 major contendors that take the cake in the power output department.

there's the sony vtc5 and the samsung 20r
these two seem to have the best power output and voltage holding power during their output curve.

then there's the AW 1600mah and the sony vtc4
these two round out the top 4 and there's a slight margin in voltage staying power under heavy loads.

out of the 4, the vtc5 gives the longest usable discharge per charge.

special notes;
1) under a constant 20 amp discharge, the vtc5 sky rockets in temps capable of obtaining temps up to 20°C above it's 60°C rating. under higher loads, this temp can go up significantly. the vtc5 can be a hot plate in your pocket under a hard short situation. though, that doesn't detract from it being the best battery for a sub-ohm build.

2) all AW cells are individually tested to meet specs and will be the most consistent batteries on the market.

efest cells are bad, mkay. they've consistently tested to have inflated specs in the amp output and capacity departments.

now what you would need to find out is if there's any reports of any of these cells not fitting correctly in your intended mod in your intended configuration... and whether you're going to need button tops or flat top, or if that matters for any mod you're looking into.

 

[beckdg]

So in all honesty I would not get that much better battery life from the Sony over the AW IMR??? The only benefit is the Sony would better to use in a mech.

that kinda depends. if you're never going to sub-ohm, the sony isn't really going to make a difference. though, most people are tempted to at least try it to find out if they like it when they're properly equipped.

 

[anumber1]

that kinda depends. if you're never going to sub-ohm, the sony isn't really going to make a difference. though, most people are tempted to at least try it to find out if they like it when they're properly equipped.

I agree.
Trying not to beat a Sony fanboy drum but...
If it fits in the mod you want to use, the Sony US18650VTC5 is the best battery out there for our purposes. Mech or Regulated. It puts out more power per charge in the range that a vaper would use them in, AND, does so with a high amp rating. Best of everything.

If the other batteries were much cheaper, there may be an argument for "why spend more for a cell that exceeds my needs?".

The Sony is pertty cheap at about $10 each. A pack of Newports in Chicago is $12.

 

[beckdg]

I agree.
Trying not to beat a Sony fanboy drum but...
If it fits in the mod you want to use, the Sony US18650VTC5 is the best battery out there for our purposes. Mech or Regulated. It puts out more power per charge in the range that a vaper would use them in, AND, does so with a high amp rating. Best of everything.

If the other batteries were much cheaper, there may be an argument for "why spend more for a cell that exceeds my needs?".

The Sony is pertty cheap at about $10 each. A pack of Newports in Chicago is $12.

completely agree.

though, my vtc4 button tops (believed to be added on at the MFR per MVS specs) and reports from hana mods (and i believe ZNA) owners make a good argument for other cells in certain situations.

if reverse polarity protection is implemented in a mod (more specific to regulated mods) in a way that the battery needs to have a button top to reach the positive post, there's a chance that the addition of a button on a sony batt may make it too long to fit the mod... and that the additional pieces such as an extra layer of shrink (like my vtc4's have to implement and isolate tack welded button flanges) may make them too wide to get easily in and out of some mods.

so if you can get away with a flat top and there's no mention of them not fitting, the vtc5's are la creme' de la creme'. if not, there's plenty of acceptable options.

and yes, i almost got a vtc4 stuck in a provari once.

 

[Garemlin]

that kinda depends. if you're never going to sub-ohm, the sony isn't really going to make a difference. though, most people are tempted to at least try it to find out if they like it when they're properly equipped.

So a battery with a 10a max output would work fine in a mech mod if I had no plans to sub ohm??

But on the flip side a 30a would be good to have if I ever did get the urge. Kinda the "better to have it and not need it than to need it not have it" mentality.

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[anumber1]

So a battery with a 10a max output would work fine in a mech mod if I had no plans to sub ohm??

But on the flip side a 30a would be good to have if I ever did get the urge. Kinda the "better to have it and not need it than to need it not have it" mentality.

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Yes, a 10 amp battery will work at resistances above .7 (with a bit of safety cushion).

But the point I was making was for a paltry couple of bux more, the Sony will last longer and be more flexible with your builds.

 

[beckdg]

So a battery with a 10a max output would work fine in a mech mod if I had no plans to sub ohm??

But on the flip side a 30a would be good to have if I ever did get the urge. Kinda the "better to have it and not need it than to need it not have it" mentality.

Tap'd from my LG G2

in layman's terms, that's pretty much it.

 

[Garemlin]

Thanks for all the input. Ordering a few Sony VTC5's today. The fact that they are the most versatile in any of my possible applications is most appealing to me.

 

[beckdg]

happy to be of service. i wish you only the best.