children being children..

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ned Zeppelin

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He would have had a good hiding in my day . I've been teaching kids music for over 15 years now so I guess I have learned to know what makes them tick. And I know it's the same old excuse but I still blame the parents. Its parents of my generation that had a pretty tough time growing up with parents being strict. As I and people my age would say. When my kids grow up I will never treat my kids like this. So thats why kids these days act like they are. And today's parents always think their children are little angels and believe me I know differently. That little angel when away from their parents turns into a different beast altogether but whatever disagreements you have with the parents you're always in a no-win situation and their child is always right and the teacher is wrong.
And we all wonder why the world's getting a dangerous place to live. Perhaps some of us are to blame.
 

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i only made the post cos of the cigarette factor.. its perphaps not e cig connected..

personally i think children (which turn into adults) are nasty evil little things and if not tought differently will behave in a nasty evil way..

interestingly if what u say is true ned.. todays kids are gonna turn into total disciplinarians as regards their own coming kids.. he he he

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I brought my two kids up the same way I was (they're now 28 and 22). I taught them right from wrong, good manners and if they misbehaved I walloped them.

Unfortunately, kids nowadays know they are "untouchable".

Esther Rantzen who started Childline in the 1980s admitted recently that she had no idea then of the monster she would create which put childrens "rights" before anyone or anything else. That coupled with the European Human Rights Act and we have what we're seeing everyday in the media - and often at first hand:mad:

Kids need discipline. Not to discipline kids and bring them up properly is a form of child abuse.

I was brought up in a family where we were disciplined if we stepped out of line, but it was also tempered with a lot of love.
 

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If we ever drop a sprog I think I'll self educate...

i actually did that with two of mine emp.. not thru choice it was kinda forced on me the first time.. having done it with one i made the promise to the youngest i would do it with him if when the time came he make that choice... he did..

they are now both well informed astute adults.. having said that they both suffer from my problem.. not taking orders from fools gladly.. they are both in essence committed to self employment.. both incapable of starting off at the bottom of any hierarchial system.. they make good generals but lousy troops..

kids do as they like now because no (outside) adult dare question them.. the lady did and the end result was she got knifed.. if she had have simply accepted their in essence extremely cheeky behavior no real harm would have come of the incident..

she challenged the little buggers.. they reacted with the knife attack..

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ned Zeppelin

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I totally agree kids do need discipline but the problem is that teachers have no control any more in how they are allowed to correct children from misbehaving. You're not even allowed to touch a pupil these days example most of the time I teach drums so if I'm trying to demonstrate to the pupil with him all her sitting behind a drum kit and I want that pupil to put one leg here one hand there we must not touch the pupil so regarding the hands I always guide them with their drumsticks so I'm not having any contact at all which at times can be quite frustrating.
I've been teaching in one class and sometimes I can see into the other through the glass. glass has to be fitted in all doors now you are not supposed to be in a room which others cannot see into on a couple of occasions I've seen teachers get punched to the floor and there is nothing a teacher can do about it.

Even now when you have to write the annual yearly school report you can't write how you feel. So for example if I think that this pupil is a waste of time because he or she does not practise there instrument and feel it's a waste of money for the parents to keep paying out I cannot say it like that.=have to keep bums on seats

I actually spent 13 years teaching around on average 17 schools a week and last Easter I'd had enough so now I just teach privately. Today's teaching is a dangerous business to be in and that is why all the good old-fashioned teachers are moving on. I know one headmaster quit his job and got another working in I t and never regrets it but it's not just the behaviour problem its all the paperwork allso .teachers spend most all their holidays doing lesson plans explaining their self etc.
 

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They only did what they did Trog because there is no deterrent.

They know, even if caught they'll get let off and their parents probably don't care anyway so long as the kids are not bothering them.

Another couple of kids headed for prison one day:(

yes its because there is no deterent.. its really worse than "if they get caught" they know they wont get caught..

these little buggers will probably get caught and probably get shafted.. but its the current fashionable knife thing.. the police will move heaven and earth to get em.. mostly its crimes to property they engage in.. and under our current "priority policing" system an adult would get arrested for belting one of the little bugger..

chucking a brick thru your window isnt a crime today it wont get investgated.. kicking the sh-t out of the little sods that did it is a crime it will get investigated..

so not only will u get arrested the little sods will come back and put out all your other windows and laugh at u while they are doing it..

i keep my head down now.. dont offend the little angels.. so do most people which of course comes back to why they feel they can do what they do..

one good sign is things do seem to be on the turn.. people are waking up to whats going on.. but its gonna take a while for things to change much..

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i only made the post cos of the cigarette factor.. its perphaps not e cig connected..

It most definately is e-cigg related. The complete extreme bias agaisnt smokers is out htere and it's gettign worse! We E-Smokers will be the next target of these extremists- make no mistake abotu htat. It's sad that hte minority self-righteous health-nuts can sway public opinion so drastically that we get kids slashing peopel because of seeing a cigarette
 
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