Chinese manufacturers setting up American vaping association

[Mazinny]

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/10133

Makes sense. They would stand to lose more financially than any U.S. vendor, should the regulations go into effect as is. Their financial might could prove helpful.

 

[Jman8]

From their website:

Mission Statement :
1) Congress SHOULD NOT regulate vapor products as tobacco products, considering these products DO NOT actually contain tobacco leaf.
2) The FDA should modify the grandfather date to allow products currently on the market in order to avoid the Pre Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process.
3) The FDA should create a streamlined process that allows companies to submit more reasonable applications for the vapor market.
We have formed a coalition of responsible Chinese electronic cigarette manufacturers concentrating our financial efforts and resources to keep vapor products affordable, accessible and with the variety needed in order to help smokers transition to a less harmful alternative.
Moreover looking forward to a regulatory path we want to enforce industry standards to assure consumers safety and confidence in Chinese manufacturing.

I think we'd all like to see #1 happen politically. Though #2 seems to be saying, "if FDA is going to regulate as a tobacco product then... (what they say for number 2). #3 strikes me as the most sensible of the 3. That's not to say that I disagree with the other 2. I really like #2 a lot. But if #3 is in place, and costs for applications are way down, then #2 is less necessary. To me, bringing the price way down means if it is estimated that a PTMA currently costs $10 million, then streamlined / reduction ought to be around $20,000 (on the high end).

With China money visibly in the process, I'm feeling just a little better about things going forward for those who think a legal / heavily regulated market is great for vaping.

 

[zoiDman]

Seems like they are a Bit Late to the Dance. But Better Late than Never.

Polled Resources under a "Bridging" PMTA?

 

[DC2]

This COULD be a game-changer.

 

[nicnik]

COULD

Yup.

 

[AndriaD]

Considering our vast debt to China, you *would* think our gov't would be VERY leery of pissing off China.

Andria

 

[Steamix]

Shenzen ... just about every Chinese-made piece of hardware originates from there. If there's a vaper's paradise ist most be somewhere near there

But seems all the major 'names' setting comptition aside for a while.

Seems Dekang and Hangsen aren't aboard. Small wonder, as they doing the fills for the BT cigalikes.

But just the fact that Chinese makers are teaming up on USA turf will not go unnoticed in various quarters...

Snubbing cititzen activists on a shoestring-budget is one thing. A lobbyist representing a good two thirds of the global hardware market is another league...

 

[greasegizzard]

It will be interesting to see what effect this has. Since our own elected officials don't listen to us, maybe they will listen to them.

 

[WillyZee]

I fail to see how this will replenish millions of dollars in daily tobacco tax revenue for BG

IMO ... this will be ignored

 

[curiousJan]

I think this is a very good thing, indeed. They are a bit late to the 'party' but given all factors I don't think for one second that this will go unnoticed by TPTB.

 

[Mossy]

Thanks for the post..................I think it can only benefit the cause of vaping

 

[Mazinny]

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Seems Dekang and Hangsen aren't aboard. Small wonder, as they doing the fills for the BT cigalikes.

But just the fact that Chinese makers are teaming up on USA turf will not go unnoticed in various quarters...

Snubbing cititzen activists on a shoestring-budget is one thing. A lobbyist representing a good two thirds of the global hardware market is another league...

Interesting point re Hangsen and DeKang. I wasn't aware that their liquid is being used in BT cigalikes.

DeKang and Hangsen are easily the largest liquid vendors worldwide, but they don't seem to enjoy nowhere near the same market share in the U.S.

 

[AndriaD]

I think this is a very good thing, indeed. They are a bit late to the 'party' but given all factors I don't think for one second that this will go unnoticed by TPTB.

I was thinking about this, and I think their lateness to the party probably reflects a) their unfamiliarity with how politics works in the US, and b) their inability to understand why a safer alternative isn't a good thing to TPTB -- even though vaping is banned in China; you'd think they'd get that last part.

Andria

 

[nicnik]

I was thinking about this, and I think their lateness to the party probably reflects a) their unfamiliarity with how politics works in the US, and b) their inability to understand why a safer alternative isn't a good thing to TPTB -- even though vaping is banned in China; you'd think they'd get that last part.

Andria

My guess is that they are very familiar, they understand, and they are aware. Not sure why they're so late, though.

 

[zoiDman]

My guess is that they are very familiar, they understand, and they are aware. Not sure why they're so late, though.

Perhaps their Mission is not so much to change the Outcome of Deeming, but to get products Approved in a Regulated Market?

 

[Kent C]

Perhaps their Mission is not so much to change the Outcome of Deeming, but to get products Approved in a Regulated Market?

New product applications - my thought at well - and they have the money for it vs. some of our vendors. I put forth the idea with Wayne at heaven gifts awhile back - where joyetech, Kanger, vision and others who have US vendors on their wholesale sites - might work with those US vendors to help stop the deeming or help them by getting products approved after the deeming. Not saying it went further than that but Wayne is well connected. I also acknowledged that the US isn't their only market so it might not be worth the effort :- )

 

[MyMagicMist]

This COULD be a game-changer.

No. This topples all the kings & queens in the park. It finishes all games of children, lets the adults present the story of responsibility & leadership. It does not change the game as much as refuses to play any game, ergo, win any game.

 

[zoiDman]

New product applications - my thought at well - and they have the money for it vs. some of our vendors. I put forth the idea with Wayne at heaven gifts awhile back - where joyetech, Kanger, vision and others who have US vendors on their wholesale sites - might work with those US vendors to help stop the deeming or help them by getting products approved after the deeming. Not saying it went further than that but Wayne is well connected. I also acknowledged that the US isn't their only market so it might not be worth the effort :- )

If you have a Searchable pdf of the TVECA PMTA Draft Guidance, search for the word the "Bridging" or "Bridge".

I don't have the Document on this Computer, but as I recall, at the end of the pdf there was a section outlining the Sharing of Study and or Technical Information. As I recall.

If I could use Previously Reviewed data, this could Greatly Decrease the cost of an Individual PMTA Application.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Considering our vast debt to China, you *would* think our gov't would be VERY leery of pissing off China.

Andria

Also consider too something called BRICS. I also have a minor bit of speculation. That is that Saudi Arabia may also align with BRICS. It would not be surprising to me if they did.

As a result of BRICS, Mexico's peso is now backed by silver from my understanding. I may be in error as I only did some cursory scanning. Also, Russia recently paid off all debts it owed, to anyone, everyone. That's what leaders are supposed to do.

Now, figure such forces set to ensure vaping remains unencumbered. As a bit of fun me and my wife watched a video today about the AA12 , an automatic 12ga shotgun. My wife's response was "what in the world would I/we need that for?"

I calmly replied, "taking out the doped up S.W.A.T team storm troopers breaking into our home to arrest or kill us for saying foo." I really loved watching him making a midget door. "There is door no more." hehehe.

Nota Bene: No offense to midgets, or any smaller human folks intended. Watch the video in context to better comprehend the intent, please, thanks.

 

[Kent C]

If you have a Searchable pdf of the TVECA PMTA Draft Guidance, search for the word the "Bridging" or "Bridge".

I don't have the Document on this Computer, but as I recall, at the end of the pdf there was a section outlining the Sharing of Study and or Technical Information. As I recall.

If I could use Previously Reviewed data, this could Greatly Decrease the cost of an Individual PMTA Application.

I recall that - thanks - I'll check it out later. Although, I think that Bill G, Siegel, Carl, et al truly believe that it's going to cost a mint for SE (if that is even an issue) or on new applications.