There are more of us out there that use the small cigalikes part time than you think. At home I use my vamo, my REO and my other mechs. Out and about driving the cigalikes are my go to devices. They are just more comfortable for me to drive with given my very small hands and preference for 2 hands on the steering wheel.
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There are more of us out there that use the small cigalikes part time than you think. At home I use my vamo, my REO and my other mechs. Out and about driving the cigalikes are my go to devices. They are just more comfortable for me to drive with given my very small hands and preference for 2 hands on the steering wheel.
John ... I get it, the eRoll doesn't work for you when you lift heavy boxes while cloud chasing ... I also understand your bitterness on spending money for something that is not perfect for you.
However, to be honest with you ... I don't vape under the same circumstances ... I don't cloud chase and I don't seek massive throat hits ... the only lifting I do while vaping? ... is a Cold Beer on a patio with friends.
For me, the eRoll works just as I expected and provides a more than pleasant vape to keep me smoke free ... I am not looking to turn vaping into a hobby or a search for the holy grail.
For me ... the eRoll works like a champ.
Cheers
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Agree totally, and there are plenty of people on the eroll forum that feel the same way.
what works for one isn't what works for another,,,,,,,,,fortunately there are so many choices,,,,,
my Daughter loves teh e-roll,,,,,,
it would drive me insane, but I vape 14 ml of juice a day,,,,,,that tank holds 1/2 a ml
can you imagine? each to his (or her) own.
whatever WORKS is important.
my Daughter loves teh e-roll,,,,,,
it would drive me insane, but I vape 14 ml of juice a day,,,,,,that tank holds 1/2 a ml
can you imagine? each to his (or her) own.whatever WORKS is important.
I personally love my EMINI (Ovale's twin version of the EROLL) and i actually haven't gone back to my ego for months. @ 18 nic it hits hard especially with my menthol and the convenience of it can't be beat! I can hang it off my lips or in my teeth just like old times and its perfect for driving since I drive a manual. I put it in its charging case, toss in my pocket...good to go. I carry a 5ml plastic bottle with a rubber mini tip which is plenty for the day. Its easy to refill and takes 2 seconds and I get plenty of hits for each fill and charge. SO the whole refilling all the time isn't as bad as you'd think...even if you are chaining it at home. I'm a big advocate for the EROLL/EMINI if anyone asks. I have the white battery and sleeve with the black tank and people only know its a ecig by the blue light...but it ain't a black BLU so theres no unnecessary "hey man, that a BLU? (don't insult me! haha)
The problem I have is the way it is presented. The math didn't add up so I asked specific questions. If the fans would have listened to my questions they would have answered differently. Or they are willing to just answer without reading the questions.
I said I had a hard time with the claims out of a 90mAh battery unless the c-rating was through the roof. Not is is possible to have a c-rating that high but not likely from Joye.
If the answers are not known that is one thing.
I don't use LiFePo4 cells anymore but I have nothing against them. I understand the reason behind them, pack more mAh into a given volume at the expense of discharge rate. I can understand some people wanting LiFePo4 cells.
I had suspicions and doubts when I was reading the posts so I asked questions and got answers that told me my suspicions on what this is is not valid.
What it did is complete me no longer believing what I read out here.
What I suspected these were was validated after I got them though I didn't expect the construction quality being where it is at. If the answer to each question is it is the best maybe the question should be looked at again.
I suspected out of the dozens on my desk alone it would get outperformed by at least three of them if not more.
Should I have asked different questions? Maybe how many watts it being produced at the coil? I do know what works for everyone is different but I was going off of the claims made and answers given. After trying it I immediately knew it would be matched and beat by a collection of things already here. I don't mind warranted hype or claims as long as they are reasonably accurate.
If people are going to shout best should there at least not be a measure of what it is best at? I will not claim anything is best because I have yet to compare everything. Even if I did find a best it will probably be at one or two parameters at the most.
If I had not seen people posting certain characteristics and just ran across it on my own I would have certain questions. It is not only volts but also how much it sags under load. If I would have got it on my own without reading what others said my conclusions would have been.
Battery sags under load, this is expected do to size but if they would have used a higher rated battery it could still sustain itself better but that would add to the cost. The structural integrity is the lowest I have seen on any device to date. Then I would have cast it aside as a rejected it and left it at that.
What bothered me was the claims about specific defined virtues that if any comparison had been done would never have been made.
Notice the OP asked specifically what would close the gap and included a VW device. He named the MVP2.
To the best of my knowledge no such animal exists. The Panda Evolv does close the gap better than many cigalikes out there but he obviously wants more. It would figure that he wants something that is capable of producing more watts than the Panda Evolv which is better than most in the cigalike class.
If the combination of delivery system and battery produces less watts than a delivery system compatible with the Evolve it will be a step backwards for him.
Isn't a better way to answer the question as follows?
1. Identify what he is trying to match?
2. Identify what he has already tried to close the gap with?
3. What does it take to close the gap more than the Evolve can or can the evolve be matched to a delivery system that can close the gap more?
4. Will another battery out perform the Evolve and combined with a delivery system that is compatible with it close the gap even more?
Maybe then try and formulate an answer that involves changing the delivery system that helps close the gap more than what he is using on the Panda and then try and find something that matches the size he wants that might be able to out perform the Panda.
Naming something that falls short of outperforming the Panda does not answer his question and takes him backwards.
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To the best of my knowledge there is no cig-a-like that will match an MVP2.
It would take a very very good battery and will be in a dog fight to make up for the difference in size. The quality difference required would be intense for something as small as a cigalike to match an MVP.
On closing the Gap. The Panda Evolv in my comparisons has proven to be a better than average cigalike battery, quite good in fact. I personally would not want to stray down more than 1.8 ohms with that battery.
There is a battery I have not tried yet but could close the gap more than what I am using. The only reason I have not tried it is it is only available in a manual version. I do not know if thier claims are true but if they are it will be very impressive for a cigalike battery. Better than I have heard of anyplace else. Caution, there are claims advertised that are not true. I have no idea on this one.
I am going to make some assumptions. Mig Cigs claims to have a constant voltage of 4.2v. If that claim is true it has boost regulation and I would say probably has a high drain battery. I am looking for hands free options so I have rejected the Migs not on its performance but it is not what I am looking for.
If Mig Cigs claims are true and if it can use a 1.5 ohm device it will close the gap more than anything I am aware of. There might be something that can close the gap more but if there is it has escaped my notice. That said it will not match your MVP2.
The closest I can come to an MVP2 in the things I have tested would be a V4L Titan. I am currently using them at 1.8 ohms but the manuals can be used at 1.5 ohms. It will still lag behind the MVP2.
You might be disappointed in the cigalike batteries out there if you don't accepts a little less performance.
I went down the path already of closing the gap and have not managed it yet. I have found three that I can get away with accept the levels they operate at but one stands out from the other two.
Of what I tried the Panda is tied for third place in performance. I suspect the Panda and the other device are using the same cell and circuit but in a slightly different body but I do not know this to be true.
This might surprise you but with a lot of different delivery devices you are already beating some of the fixed voltage ego batteries with your Panda in terms of performance.
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Lee, check out the clearance stuff on Panda. Their disposables were pretty good, and I found their pre-filled carts were great. Panda was my go to place for gear for quite a while so I have a bunch of their different eGo stuff in my "Vape Apocalypse" box. I think their pre-filled carts will fit, and you could always get the blank ones and fill them yourself. You might just want to "chat" them up about it. Their customer service was always really good, online or on the phone. My BF uses the eGo types with a small carto when he's out and about because it is small and more cigalike than the SiD or bigger mods and PT2's.
This might be an option......
Boge Cartomizers
This might be an option......
Boge Cartomizers
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Lee, check out the clearance stuff on Panda. Their disposables were pretty good, and I found their pre-filled carts were great. Panda was my go to place for gear for quite a while so I have a bunch of their different eGo stuff in my "Vape Apocalypse" box. I think their pre-filled carts will fit, and you could always get the blank ones and fill them yourself. You might just want to "chat" them up about it. Their customer service was always really good, online or on the phone. My BF uses the eGo types with a small carto when he's out and about because it is small and more cigalike than the SiD or bigger mods and PT2's.
This might be an option......
Boge Cartomizers
But he already has tried the Panda Evolv, He is trying to get more performance the way I read his post. It looks like he wants to downsize but wants more than the very good Panda's give him. Since he is trying to close the gap 1.8 ohms will get him closer than 2.0 ohms.
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Then I think he'd have to go with a twist or winder? I'm just trying to keep it "cigalike" with the Evolve, compact/slim. Panda is one of the few places that uses PayPal too, so that could be a point with Lee?
But since he has already tried the Panda and wants more performance yet and specified a cigalike wouldn't it make more sense to look for something that can carry a larger amp load in that size class?
I will grant the Panda is more potent that most of the cigalike batteries but it is still not a high drain battery.
If you look at his first sentence he has already tried some VV eGos.
It seems to me all he would be doing is doing what he has already done.
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Just trying to figure out what he could top that Evolve with...
The truth is very little but there are a couple out there and one possible.
The Panda is very very good. I just thought it was funny to get what he has already got to get better.
Didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you. I just got a giggle out of it.
I fought, and scratched, and dug, to find good performance out of a 510 cigalike battery. If I had stayed with 510 it would be a toss up and I would be using Panda's along side another.
I wanted everything to be compatible sooooo bad. I wanted to be 510 only but I crossed over for the cigalikes.
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I already have the Panda Evolv batteries, NiNi. I also have tried the Boge cartos in various resistances. I was hoping to find a more "efficient" juice delivery system and maybe offset the weaker battery (compared to an MVP2 or VV3) with a lower resistance head. IE: 1.8ohm with a standard ego battery. I know I can't expect a little stick battery to hit like a VW device at 8 or 9 watts, but at least hit like an ego and LR wick EVOD clearo.
This must be where amperage comes in to play. (??) The Panda Evolv is supposed to be a 3.7v regulated, like the Panda ego batteries. Same voltage, but definitely a weaker hit. Is that amperage or watts? I still do not fully understand amperage and its relation to watts and/or volts. All I know is the end result.
Maybe this is just trying to get blood from a turnip at this stage in the game. who knows... 2014 may have some really sweet gear in store for vapers. I hardly see it getting worse!
I'll try the Kanger head that was suggested on page 2 and see what that's about. It looks identical to the t4s on panda's site, but i was assured it was different. I was not happy with the t4s. there was no flavor at all, even with 24mg. I found the nano to be even worse.
This must be where amperage comes in to play. (??) The Panda Evolv is supposed to be a 3.7v regulated, like the Panda ego batteries. Same voltage, but definitely a weaker hit. Is that amperage or watts? I still do not fully understand amperage and its relation to watts and/or volts. All I know is the end result.
Maybe this is just trying to get blood from a turnip at this stage in the game. who knows... 2014 may have some really sweet gear in store for vapers. I hardly see it getting worse!
I'll try the Kanger head that was suggested on page 2 and see what that's about. It looks identical to the t4s on panda's site, but i was assured it was different. I was not happy with the t4s. there was no flavor at all, even with 24mg. I found the nano to be even worse.
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The reason it is weaker is the battery sag. A battery will sag under load. If two batteries are of the same exact type and quality with the same C-load the larger one will sag less.
That affects how many amps it can pull. A higher drain battery will have a better C-load.
The truth is very little but there are a couple out there and one possible.
The Panda is very very good. I just thought it was funny to get what he has already got to get better.
Didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you. I just got a giggle out of it.
I fought, and scratched, and dug, to find good performance out of a 510 cigalike battery. If I had stayed with 510 it would be a toss up and I would be using Panda's along side another.
I wanted everything to be compatible sooooo bad. I wanted to be 510 only but I crossed over for the cigalikes.
I have not tested these batteries. They offered to send me one but I thought it would be unfair to them. It is a manual battery and even if this was the best cigalike battery ever created I would not be buying them. I use cigalikes for hands free. If these are indeed boost regulated batteries and are high drain they would be very potent as cigalike batteries go.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ig-cigs-hang-out-tell-us-whats-your-mind.html
If you look at this data these are batteries under load. Not just the voltage but under load.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...apor-titan-king-diamond-tech-info-review.html
These are tiny high drain batteries. They are maintaining under load more voltage than the Panda is regulated at. These batteries terminate at 3.7v. They carry a load better than any other cigalike battery I have tried. I am not going to say there is not another one that can do this but this is the best I have tried.
These will outperform the Panda but I would try and find 1.8 ohm cartomizers for them to get the most from them. The manuals will work at 1.5 ohms.
No matter that anyone tells you the eRoll cannot match this or the Panda. The eRoll is a regulated 3.7v battery and smaller than the Panda. The only way the eRoll will be able to match this is with a much nigher c-rating but it doesn't. The Panda wins over the eRoll by sagging less.
The V4L Titan sags even less and is above 4v for quite a long time.
It will not match the MVP2 but will come closer to it than anything I have tried in a cigalike battery. Again it will not match.
If manual is OK the Mig Cigs might be worth a try, their claims are pretty high but if it can do what it says it might be a more potent battery yet but I just don't know.
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In fairness to the OP, have you guys tried the Panda Evolv in comparison to what you are recommending?
I know people have their favorites but he has the Evolv, it is only fair to try and recommend something more potent than it.
This is one of the struggles I have with the forum. I ask about something compared with what I have and many suggestions are a step backwards not forward and then I find people have not tried what I am already using.
I know people have their favorites but he has the Evolv, it is only fair to try and recommend something more potent than it.
This is one of the struggles I have with the forum. I ask about something compared with what I have and many suggestions are a step backwards not forward and then I find people have not tried what I am already using.
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