Cinnamon and Stardust

[DScott20]

Is there a cinnamon liquid out there that works with the stardust? The drip tip is melting and the tube is getting all cloudy.

 

[nvmedjpain]

Knowing where you get your juice from would help.

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[DScott20]

Vapor bomb, which is irrelevant, as I asked if there were any out there that people know of that dont cause issues..

 

[rdsok]

Actually which juice it was IS NOT irrelevant... not all juices of a certain flavor are the same so when someone is asking a question or mentioning that some info is missing, they are doing it in order to help and it isn't nice to dismiss them so quickly.

In fact, not all clearo's labeled Stardusts are actually Stardusts... there are a lot of fakes out there. There are also serveral versions of actual Stardust's and which one you got is also relevant... the later two versions are more resistant to the juices than the previous versions.

There is a list here on ECF of some juices that are known to crack certain types of plastics... I don't have a link and searching for it is a bit tough since there are a lot of people asking about this subject... I'm also pretty sure that it isn't a complete list since that is almost impossible with new versions always coming out.... But it is a place to start looking

 

[DScott20]

The question was asked towards people using the stardust and cinnamon liquid and whether or not it is working in the startdust. WITHOUT any issues, I dont care which ones cause the issues, I want to know which ones are working without any issues. Since this is in the Gotvapes forum it is an authentic stardust that I am talking about. The new stardust (which is also what I am talking about) are made of a new plastic tube. The tube was changed to eliminate the cracking. Nothin has been stated about the drip tip.

 

[badkolo]

i would have no idea but if its melting your drip tip then i wouldnt be using that juice. I never had a juice eat through the drip tip and these are made of the same plastic that has been used for drip tips and havent seen anyone discuss melting driptips because of the cinnamon. ill ask though and get back to ya. I wish we could find out whats going on becuase as i said if soemthing is that strong that its eating throuhg a driptip then i would stay away but ive used vb juice before with cinn in it and it did not eat the dp

 

[dnrtn2342]

Guys calm down it isn't that serious.
But the cinnamon issue with drip tips is an issue. I don't know why but it is out there. Ill research it in a bit when I get on my laptop. Im on the adroid app now. The asking of what vendor you got it from is relevant so it can be ruled out. As well as the version of the stardust that's out there. This isn't a place to argue over a disagreement, take that to craigslist

 

[badkolo]

there is nothing to argue about and i wont let it go there so no worries.

but i do think its a little wierd that people insist on using a juice that is known to eat through certain plastics, but hey its your lungs and body so ill just get the info and report it back.

 

[kelleymcm]

here ya go the list ...link should go to last page & she updates list ...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos-6.html

& yes Bad for some reason some of the acidic juices ARE melting the stardust drip tips ...
my experience was w/ TPA's Blueberry juices ,and they were only part of the recipe ????

 

[dnrtn2342]

Its not the fact that vendors are intentionally doing it, some liquids have more acidic properties which are having bad reactions with certain plastics. But ya I dont think Id be vaping that one any longer

 

[badkolo]

like i said ill look into it and check it out for you all

 

[BOREMAN]

Is there a cinnamon liquid out there that works with the stardust? The drip tip is melting and the tube is getting all cloudy.

You might want to try Copper Creeks "Grogg". They do NOT use any cinnamon flavoring(s) at all, but it is the best tasting cinnamon flavor I have tried. And NEVER had any problems with it cracking tanks or messing up drip tips.

 

[BonnyC]

I'm gonna hazard a guess and say you're referring to Cinnabomb, right? I don't have straight Cinnabomb, but I do have some of the Fire and Ice. Not using it in a Stardust, but I have vaped plenty this last week in phoenixes. It hasn't melted any of the generic random drip tips, but they're not stardust tips and I'm not sure if they're made of the same plastic.

I'm curious now. I'm gonna drip some onto an old stardust tip to see what happens. Can we assume that the melting tip issue is limited to the stardust?

For the record, I'm one of those people who gets hardware that will work with my juice rather than picking juice that works with my hardware. The Phoenix has held up to everything I've put it through so far, so I'm quite happy. If I found a carto I really liked that didn't work with all of my juice, I'd still use it. It just wouldn't be my go-to cart.


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[yiddleboge6]

I have cinnamon fireball from ecblend that has also damaged the bottom of the driptip of my stardust. The tube hasn't been affected though. This the stardust with the new tubes. I don't have the rebuildable one yet. I figure the safest way to vape this is a vivi nova, metal tank and stainless steel drip tip. Safe for the equipment but not so sure it's safe for me

 

[Briar]

I have cinnamon fireball from ecblend that has also damaged the bottom of the driptip of my stardust. The tube hasn't been affected though. This the stardust with the new tubes. I don't have the rebuildable one yet. I figure the safest way to vape this is a vivi nova, metal tank and stainless steel drip tip. Safe for the equipment but not so sure it's safe for me

Actually, and in all seriousness, I did read in several places that real cinnamon flavorings are not good for you. I wish I could find a reference right now, but it wasn't just a rumor/panic/silliness type post. I avoid cinnamon for that reason, and because I don't want to inhale whatever happens when the cinnamon melts the plastic.

 

[yiddleboge6]

I remember reading those too. I think it had to do with cinnamon oil being used as a flavoring. Actually, I found it too strong to inhale, so just held it in my mouth before blowing it out. Love the taste, but won't be ordering it again.

 

[Briar]

I remember reading those too. I think it had to do with cinnamon oil being used as a flavoring. Actually, I found it too strong to inhale, so just held it in my mouth before blowing it out. Love the taste, but won't be ordering it again.

See, that wouldn't do much for me anyways, I still don't taste much on the inhale, just the exhale. Though my taste buds started waking up finally, after over two years - once in a while I get a hit of flavor in my mouth as I inhale the vapor...

But I stayed away from cinnamon vapes altogether. I'm afraid it will aggravate my asthma, for one thing...

 

[yiddleboge6]

I think this may be what we read

I think the issue here is not acidity, it is the nature of the oils themselves. Cinnamon oil (cinnamaldehyde) can leach plasticisers from plastics, and will dissolve some plastics, both can lead to cracking. Orange oil can do this too. Anything that is good as dissolving grease can do this to plastics. Its what is in orange cleaner products.

And yes, they are also implicated in lung damage, especially cinnamon. Many here get mouth and throat irritation or mouth ulcers from cinnamon juices. Actually, IMHO it should not be sold for vaping. Aldehydes in general are problematic, but cinnamaldehyde especially so. Its rather corrosive. Some have no problems with it. I can't do cinnamon hardly at all, even candy. It will make my mouth raw.

Acids are actually less a problem for most plastics. These oils are in general not acids, but they do interact with plastic and plastic components. Clove oil is another plastic dissolver. Try grinding some cloves in a coffee grinder with a plastic lid and see what happens, if the plastic was smooth and shiny before grinding, it won't be after wards...it will be etched...then imagine this happening in your lungs. I don't know about the mint oils, but the citrus, clove and cinnamon oils can be a problem

and this

MrNate: in theory you are correct, that cracking plastic is not necessarily an indicator of lung damage, it could just be thermal effects. And I do appreciate the rigor of trying to separate and understand the effects. But it is known that cinnamaldehyde is dangerous to the lungs. Don't have the links at my disposal now, but it is known. And there is a big difference to me between leaching plasticisers, which leads to cracking of plastic and makes you vape plasticisers too, and etching plastic, which is a breakdown of the polymer itself. Plus the lungs have their own surfactant, and inhaling others, like citrus oils, can disrupt that important barrier, if not dissolve lipid bilayers, as in cells. Lots of bio stuff dissolves in them, as well as some polymer compounds, as Katya said.

But, hey, for some these flavors are just too important, and thus vaping them, regardless of risk, is rationalized to be imperative. They are all legal, and people can vape whatever they want. Yes, I am a PhD chemist with 30 years of advanced training in physical, organic, biophysics, bio-inorganic, and theoretical research and teaching. I personally will not vape these oils, for the many reasons I and Katya have stated, based on my knowledge of them chemically, and the tissues they interact with. I don't think any of these are implicated in irreversible lung damage, like that caused by diacetyl, but there could be incremental and sustained lung impairment, which I thought was what we were trying to avoid by vaping.

Flavors are the Achilles heal of vaping, in my opinion. There are many wacky flavors out there that use compounds which are fine for foods, like meat flavors, but use compounds like organic acids, aldehydes and long-chain esters which really have been shown to be a significant risk to lung tissue, similar to diacetyl.

 

[Briar]

Yep, that's it.

I think somewhat further in that thread they talk about artificial cinnamon flavors, without the natural oils, that are probably fine. But, rather than take a risk, I just stay away from them altogether. Of course, I haven't really tried any but one, which was, I'm afraid, absolutely terrible. So I am not really tempted.

 

[DScott20]

like i said ill look into it and check it out for you all

Anything on this yet? I would think that making an aluminum drip tip option would fix the issue