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Class at Hospital - "Lithium battery in ecigarettes release carcinogenics." Help me respond to this?
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Parsing the sentence "When the lithium batteries become warm/hot, the carcinogenic fumes leak from the device and are inhaled.'"
I would say that in use the batteries become neither warm or hot. I have not noticed a temperature rise when charging either.
I would discount this as rumor mongering and FUD.
As mentioned, cellphone batteries, and what about electric car batteries? Heavy drain in use, and heavy current when charging. Betcha the EPA isn't going to say that there is a danger of carcinogenic gases being given off by those batteries.
I would say that in use the batteries become neither warm or hot. I have not noticed a temperature rise when charging either.
I would discount this as rumor mongering and FUD.
As mentioned, cellphone batteries, and what about electric car batteries? Heavy drain in use, and heavy current when charging. Betcha the EPA isn't going to say that there is a danger of carcinogenic gases being given off by those batteries.
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I am not a nurse, and I have the greatest respect for anyone in the medical field. I worked in a major hospital in California as administrative assistant to the Medical Director of Surgery and the Nursing Manager of Surgery in their main operating room for 10 years.
But, the first thing that came into my mind of claim that lithium batteries may release carcinogenic particles in ecigs is that if you apply that logic to all the x-ray equipment, robotic surgery machines, endoscopic equipment, mammogram x-ray machines, etc., then walking into a hospital you're surrounded by carcinogenic particles and in a greater amount.
After all, when you're the patient you're not wearing any protective garments against radioactive wavelengths.
But, the first thing that came into my mind of claim that lithium batteries may release carcinogenic particles in ecigs is that if you apply that logic to all the x-ray equipment, robotic surgery machines, endoscopic equipment, mammogram x-ray machines, etc., then walking into a hospital you're surrounded by carcinogenic particles and in a greater amount.
After all, when you're the patient you're not wearing any protective garments against radioactive wavelengths.
I dunno. I'm kinda too sarcastic to be allowed in public.
At least that's what the judge said...
and once these kids get older, they quickly realize how untrue statements like these really are.
gives one pause to wonder if they intentionally tell lies like this to kids, so they in turn will try things they ought not, under the premise that if this one thing they told is a lie, then the rest must be untrue too.
i suspect 'programs' like DARE do far more harm than good in the long run. hell, just the name 'DARE' seems a bit orwellian in a way, considering the purported aim of the program.
sorry if i went OT - i tend to do that... lol
This always tickled me too.
Doctor: Let me put on my radiation suit and run behind the radiation-proof wall while you stand in the middle of the room with you .... hanging out of a gown.
Medical stuff has always alternately shocked and amused me. I remember actually reading the disclaimer that needed to be signed when I got my wisdom teeth cut out and thinking, "Couldn't it just say we can't sue him for any reason? Does it really need to itemize that we can't sue him for drilling through the roof of my mouth into my brain?"
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May have already been said n ut the word "carcinogen" gets thrown around so much today to scare people it makes me sick. Cars have carcinogens oozing out of them yet everyone wants the newest and best one. Cell phones were mentioned already! Practically every subastance causes cancer (just ask California) and people have a naturally occurring level of cancerous cells in it. Oh! And the big one! The sun!
Now the oncologist was smart to say the carcinogens are there but not that ecigs cause cancer.
I think those people are letting their personal bias get in the way of actual science....my personal opinion
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Now the oncologist was smart to say the carcinogens are there but not that ecigs cause cancer.
I think those people are letting their personal bias get in the way of actual science....my personal opinion
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Hi BillyRayBob,
Congratulations on entering the nursing fieldThis isn't a nursing class, in the strict sense, such as the case with nursing school curriculum. I've been a nurse for 13 years. These 'classes' are considered "Ongoing Education."
Ah. Bet my brother would have some choice words.
A lil' background. I took after my grandpa who was an electrician. Went into computers and play around with electronics as a hobby. But I'm the only one. Grandma was an RN. Mom was an RN. My brother is an RN. His wife is an RN.
I'm surrounded!
Mom was a DoN then hospital administrator before retiring. My brother is a DoN who doesn't want to go into "admin" any further as he actually likes the nursing side, not the "suits" side. Anyway, I can't wait to tell him this one. I can already see his expression.
(It'll be a cross between an "eye roll" and "bit into a lemon")
I'm also the lone smoker. When I found vaping and actually quit smoking, there damn near was dancing in the streets. I mean, you can't swing a cat in this family without hitting an RN and you can imagine the lectures I got over the years. My mother thinks "that vapor thing" is the best thing since the invention of the wheel. She thought I'd never quit. I thought the same thing. She's well aware vaping has nicotine and shrugged it off. Said, right off, "that's not the dangerous part of smoking".
This is a funny kind of collision between my stomping ground and theirs. Also, good thing my mom is retired and not their boss. Oh there would be a meeting. Oh yes.
(I am something of a trouble maker. I'm just very, very quiet about it. You know... "bug in ear" kinda thing...)
I love reminding people who tell me they "love the new car smell" that the smell is really just toxic fumes of chemicals breaking down. Similar to that new carpet. Bad stuff.
So Toyota Prius V oweners (Li on) battery must all be dead as this battery is hot all the time and is either charging or discharging continuously. this hospital has started another falsism.
Current Status of Environmental, Health, and Safety Issues of Lithium Ion Electric Vehicle Batteries (National Renewable Energy Laboratory)
A Comparative Study of Lithium Ion Batteries (University of Southern California)
Vapouriz Battery Fire Hazard
If a LiOn breaks down near you, yes, you will likely inhale carcinogenic substances.
A Comparative Study of Lithium Ion Batteries (University of Southern California)
Vapouriz Battery Fire Hazard
If a LiOn breaks down near you, yes, you will likely inhale carcinogenic substances.
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Why, yes! They go up in fireballs alla time! Look, one just blew up over there! Hey, there went another!
Something said in passing conversation can't be confused , with a statement of forethought intended to represent the accurate facts .
It's about striking a balance , and taking care .
I don't run the cells warm/hot , and I suppose a sealed top , bottom vented mod might help ... dunno .
As said we are all exposed to carcinogens in our modern life , crap isn't it .
OP , found this and thought of you
http://www.carefusion.co.uk/pdf/Respiratory/Ventilation/SprintPack_Brochure.pdf
It's about striking a balance , and taking care .
I don't run the cells warm/hot , and I suppose a sealed top , bottom vented mod might help ... dunno .
As said we are all exposed to carcinogens in our modern life , crap isn't it .
OP , found this and thought of you
http://www.carefusion.co.uk/pdf/Respiratory/Ventilation/SprintPack_Brochure.pdf
I agree, excellent point. However, they were linking the exposure to close proximity via a carrier agent, namely the vape/pg/vg itself. The other devices are sans this type of carrier agent. This is what I'm trying to determine the voracity of.
I'm sure the battery is separated enough from the other compartments in the e-cigarette that we don't inhale the air surrounding the battery.
This is the major difference between a MD and a PhD. When told something the MD will say "AH- I got it" and the PhD will say "prove it".
My question would have been "just which carcinogens are they emitting?"
Carcinogens are specific elements or compounds, so a "carcinogen" has to be something before it can be a carcinogen. I don't believe anyone has captured a "Li-Ion ray" yet
My question would have been "just which carcinogens are they emitting?"
Carcinogens are specific elements or compounds, so a "carcinogen" has to be something before it can be a carcinogen. I don't believe anyone has captured a "Li-Ion ray" yet
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Just checked my ecigs and I couldn't find any opening from the battery connection to the clearo. There is a hole at the bottom of my provari and the lambo though. If any of my batteries were to malfunction I just can't see how I would be inhaling anything from the fried battery as the connection is sealed from the delivery device. If any fumes were to escape the housing of the mod, it would be through the hole at the bottom of it. And by then, I would think I would be alerted by some kind of heat emanating from the mod's housing and noise.
I'm not trying to be defensive, but I just can't see how I could inhale any toxic fumes from a malfunctioning battery without being aware there is something totally wrong. Unless I place the bottom hole on the mod into my mouth and take a drag.
To me, it's obvious that whomever makes that statement has never seen an ecig in detail.
I'm not trying to be defensive, but I just can't see how I could inhale any toxic fumes from a malfunctioning battery without being aware there is something totally wrong. Unless I place the bottom hole on the mod into my mouth and take a drag.
To me, it's obvious that whomever makes that statement has never seen an ecig in detail.
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