"Clones" are actually the REAL THING
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It looks pretty good to me.
I'm surprised you already have that one. I seem to recall you being on a month wait list.
Maybe my mind playing tricks on me
I'm really impressed with it man. I've vaped a full tank, had no leaks, flooding, or dry hits. It took like three weeks to receive it. Well worth the wait. I like the fact, that it comes with the SS and plastic tank. Also the 510 drip tip adapter.It looks pretty good to me.
I'm surprised you already have that one. I seem to recall you being on a month wait list.
Maybe my mind playing tricks on me
Well there's way too many responses here so I'm not reading everything. But from my point of view, a "clone" IS the real deal for me If it performs well & lasts. My only experience with "clones" has really only been ego batteries since I have yet to buy a mod. But when it comes to these, my ego twists perform better than my spinners. And every ego type battery I've ever had that wasn't a joyetch was not as good, quality wise (they broke or just didn't work as well). So I view the other brands as clones of the Joyetech since that one performs the best.
But then there are devices like the Russian/Kayfun. While I don't have either of these yet, there are plenty of people who have compared the 2 as far as quality goes. With these 2 devices, I see the Russian as not so much a clone of the Kayfun but rather a different version of that device. They are both really good quality. But they have slightly different features (air flow control, proprietary drip tip, etc.) yet the performance generally is the same.
So I guess the way I view clones is this: a clone is the lesser quality version of the original. This may not really the the accurate way to view it but that's just how I see it.
But then there are devices like the Russian/Kayfun. While I don't have either of these yet, there are plenty of people who have compared the 2 as far as quality goes. With these 2 devices, I see the Russian as not so much a clone of the Kayfun but rather a different version of that device. They are both really good quality. But they have slightly different features (air flow control, proprietary drip tip, etc.) yet the performance generally is the same.
So I guess the way I view clones is this: a clone is the lesser quality version of the original. This may not really the the accurate way to view it but that's just how I see it.
My posts are free to ignore as they contain little of actual value...lol Hope that makes it easier.
I wouldn't own either because they're both overpriced and over rated... not to mention fugly :-/
I have 6 clone RBAs that I would love to trade for one "real thing". All 6 work but all have significant issues.
I have 1 clone that has only 1 machining error; getting close to quality.
I have 1 clone (AGA-T2) that has no issues.
Perhaps typical clone quality will catch up to "real thing" quality.
I have 1 clone that has only 1 machining error; getting close to quality.
I have 1 clone (AGA-T2) that has no issues.
Perhaps typical clone quality will catch up to "real thing" quality.
So you admit that the high priced mods in this market are comparable to high priced designer products in other markets, that command that price not because of the quality of their products, but because of their name and their exclusivity due to their high price?
Because I can get a quality watch or handbag for a lot less than what Rolex or LV charges.
That is not buying 'the best'. that is buying the name.
As I have said before, the mods we are speaking of are priced the way they are priced because they are designer products, ie because it has a certain logo or brand on them. But that does not mean that the same quality can not be had for a lot less price.
And with any designer product, in any market, there will be 'fakes' of them. Some people will buy the 'fakes' and be just as happy as those that bought the real thing. But there will always be a market for both.
Without actually reading the OP (because I'm SOOO lazy this fine, cold, gray, rainy day and I can't be arsed to do much at all), I rather thought the whole topic was more along the lines of name brand companies manufacturing "clones" for other companies in the same way that Energizer or Duracell manufactures store brand batteries to be sold alongside their own branded versions.
Could it be that I am entirely *gasp* WRONG???
Could it be that I am entirely *gasp* WRONG???
I can add something to the mix..... SO many people get to have access to files as soon as someone dreams up the next big thing, it just so happens that one person is in charge of say emailing the files to a manufacturing company to get a price quote....He gets paid 9.00 an hour to do so but "johnny" at such and balls company will pay him 300.00 under the table to leak the info to him so he can do the same thing but have a chinese company manufacture the product with slightly less quality in the whole process and do it cheaper! Happens all the time at many major movie and music corps. and that is how stuff gets leaked! Some people leak it just to be able to say they did it before anyone else and don't make money on it!
There are so many companies that do the same thing. Look at the auto industry, Toyota (Lexus), Chevrolet (GMC), Ford (Lincoln), Dodge (Sterling, Mercedes), Mercedes (Dodge).
Oh where will it end?
I thought OP questions are only applicable to post #2 then it's a free for all.
@Striker911... hope the little one is better soon and you can rest.... brings back so many memories.
I'm still sceptical.
Look at fake headphones, or fake batteries. Some of the clones are reportedly pretty much indistinguishable on the surface - Chinese workshops have taken cloning to an incredibly fine art, because there's no enforcement of international IPR. These are often not high-end, designer goods - they're mass-produced commodity goods. There isn't really an incentive for the designers to collaborate with the cloners, because they'd be competing against their own product, and diluting the perceived quality. There's no evidence that collusion happens, but they're just about valuable enough, and easy enough to clone, that they're worth cloning. Of course if the originals are manufactured cheaply in Chinese factories, all bets are off - apparently it's fairly common for the factories to keep running 'overnight', making more copies outside the production agreement, which are *literally* indistinguishable, using mostly or entirely the same materials, but not sold through the normal distribution channels.
The markup on designer goods is much greater. The fact that you can buy cruddy clones of things does not in any way indicate that there aren't people out there doing it properly - the incentives are so big, it would make no sense if people with the capability weren't doing it.
As the Chinese economy booms, and native innovation grows, they will inevitably develop more of a culture and legal framework for respecting IPR. That's not going to eliminate the clones, but it'll probably reduce their prevalence. Until then, if you don't have a paper-trail, you never really know. If that bothers you (as it should with batteries, for example), the only thing you can do is buy from major retailers with significant reputations to lose if they're caught asleep at the switch.
But unless you can provide evidence that the designers are actually selling the designs to the cloners, I'm just not sure I buy it. They'll be cloned anyway if there's a market, so I can't really see why a manufacturer would have much interest in offering terms that the designer would find acceptable.
Look at fake headphones, or fake batteries. Some of the clones are reportedly pretty much indistinguishable on the surface - Chinese workshops have taken cloning to an incredibly fine art, because there's no enforcement of international IPR. These are often not high-end, designer goods - they're mass-produced commodity goods. There isn't really an incentive for the designers to collaborate with the cloners, because they'd be competing against their own product, and diluting the perceived quality. There's no evidence that collusion happens, but they're just about valuable enough, and easy enough to clone, that they're worth cloning. Of course if the originals are manufactured cheaply in Chinese factories, all bets are off - apparently it's fairly common for the factories to keep running 'overnight', making more copies outside the production agreement, which are *literally* indistinguishable, using mostly or entirely the same materials, but not sold through the normal distribution channels.
The markup on designer goods is much greater. The fact that you can buy cruddy clones of things does not in any way indicate that there aren't people out there doing it properly - the incentives are so big, it would make no sense if people with the capability weren't doing it.
As the Chinese economy booms, and native innovation grows, they will inevitably develop more of a culture and legal framework for respecting IPR. That's not going to eliminate the clones, but it'll probably reduce their prevalence. Until then, if you don't have a paper-trail, you never really know. If that bothers you (as it should with batteries, for example), the only thing you can do is buy from major retailers with significant reputations to lose if they're caught asleep at the switch.
But unless you can provide evidence that the designers are actually selling the designs to the cloners, I'm just not sure I buy it. They'll be cloned anyway if there's a market, so I can't really see why a manufacturer would have much interest in offering terms that the designer would find acceptable.
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I get what you're saying, but getting burned on a $19 clone is a lot less traumatic than getting burned on a $250 mech.
I'm not against originals, far from it, but all the tips, tricks, and fix threads on these forums are testament to the fact that not every mech is without its flaws.
As far as the brand owner selling their design to China to make cheaper copies, that is just not likely. The chinese will clone it with or without the brand owner getting a cut, so why would they pay the brand owner?
As far as whether some of the 'originals' are manufactured there. It is possible. A company could certainly have the original manufacturing of the parts done in china, have them sent in bulk unpackaged and unassembled to wherever to do a final fitting, assembly, QC, polishing and packaging done 'in house'. Even doing it that way would save a company A LOT of money as the materials and labor of the initial manufacturing are the bulk of the cost. Heck, you could even market it as 'made in XXX country' you wanted to at that point.
As far as whether some of the 'originals' are manufactured there. It is possible. A company could certainly have the original manufacturing of the parts done in china, have them sent in bulk unpackaged and unassembled to wherever to do a final fitting, assembly, QC, polishing and packaging done 'in house'. Even doing it that way would save a company A LOT of money as the materials and labor of the initial manufacturing are the bulk of the cost. Heck, you could even market it as 'made in XXX country' you wanted to at that point.
I never ignore your posts. They are always a pleasant contribution to my ECF reading experience.
(I just don't reply to much unless I have something to say lol).
Awww...you people are far nicer than I deserve....lolI never ignore your posts. They are always a pleasant contribution to my ECF reading experience.
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