"Clones" are actually the REAL THING

[generic mutant]

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yea but as VJ and a few others have noted - china is slipping up and presenting clones where the real mod is still awaiting release lol

Not released doesn't mean doesn't exist.

How long have they been being developed? How many people have held one in their hands? Have any of them thought "There's that person I know from the industry in Shenzhen. I wonder if a look at this thing is worth something to him..?"

 

[Thrasher]

but wait you just said These aren't space ships, they're little round lumps of metal... so why would it have to be in production for so long? and why would someone from Greece have to take a prototype all the way to china for Youd to play with?


(lol im just giving ya a hard time)

 

[vaperature]

I'm satisfied getting the real deal instead of the clones. There are all sorts of deals out there for the real deals. All you have to do is get ripped off once with a faulty clone and all the money you saved previously will be flushed down the drain.

 

[Thrasher]

I'm satisfied getting the real deal instead of the clones. There are all sorts of deals out there for the real deals. All you have to do is get ripped off once with a faulty clone and all the money you saved previously will be flushed down the drain.

I agree I like supporting the people involved with this industry so they feel compelled to keep making cool toys. and in that sense I have yet to see a 1:1 clone of anything I own (minus the kayfun of coarse but thats a different thread), there are some copies but they dont come close.

 

[WattWick]

Very much a case-by-case case. The fact that one clone of one mod might be very similiar in material and finishes does not mean that every clone is in fact a true 1:1 clone.

"Stainless steel" is a collective term for a lot of various alloys. Seeing how some people report their cloned RBAs actually rusting... I rather buy the occasional "real deals" made out of stainless steel fit to contain liquids for human consumption than have accumulate a bunch of clones made of mystery metals.

For mods... not too worried about the SS being made of food grade metals.

 

[joeybear]

I have authentic mods and clones of those mods. For the most part, they are the same and within 1 or 2 grams of weight, too. My Chi was a later release and the finish on the clone is better. I'm okay with clones because it's my money and it's a buyer's world.

 

[jcalis1394]

You obviously have not held a real and clone Nemesis or Chi You side by side

I have held the real Nemesis against the clone, and the weight of them differs. The button is much smoother on the original as well, voltage drop was about roughly the same though. If anyone wants to throw the real one and the clone against a wall and see how they fare, that'd say something as well I did order an all brass Nemesis clone from Fasttech to mix and match tubes with my original.

I prefer supporting the manufacturer of a device I fairly enjoy. However, it is everyone's decision where to shell your cash.

 

[Ref Minor]

my thoughts. I feel that the ONLY way these clones are actual 1:1 "copies" is that they are actually the real deal. I am willing to be that the designers of the King, Nemesis, and Chi You for example are actually selling the design to FastTech to make more money over more sales while still offering their own at high end prices. I think they'd be fools not to do this, and with new models being cloned even before the actual model is released just furthers to convince me that these Chinese "Knock Offs" are actually the real thing being mass produced by designed provided by the designers themselves.

This goes for RBA/RDA's as well. The Trident for example is exactly the same 1:1 as the real one. The Kraken clone...same thing...exact copy. It's just far too convenient to call them clones when they are exact 1:1 as the supposed "real deal" item.

There...I've said it.

The "clones" are actually the real thing.

FastTech are just a retailer, they make nothing at all.

Clones are made by lots of different competing Chinese factories! just go to alibaba and you will see lots of different factories offering the same clones, there is no big evil chinese overlord of vapegear cutting deals with manufacturers for their design, just lots of small manufacturers seeing what sells, buying one and reverse engineering it. The ones who are good at that make good clones, the ones who are shoddy make shoddy clones.

 

[crxess]

So........ Since Sigelei uses Numbers, I'm good to go with my 2 new 8w's right?

We won't talk about the
4 CCTS
2 #20's
3 Nem...
3 IthA...
or the Maraxus

ETA: I hope most of you realize The large majority of those Chinese Manufacturers are just Small business purchasing Private label from the same Manufacturer.
No way in heck Shenzhen Has 2000+ machine Shops Plus all the other product manufactures listed there. Seriously?

 

[damthisisfun]

Troopers were cloned - so was Dolly - clone em all......lol

 

[Thrasher]

No way in heck Shenzhen Has 2000+ machine Shops Plus all the other product manufactures listed there. Seriously?

Shenzhen is a major manufacturing center in China. In the 1990s, Shenzhen was described as constructing "one highrise a day and one new boulevard every three days. In 2001, the working population reached 3.3 million

Shenzhen Hi-Tech Industrial Park (SHIP) was founded in September 1996. It covers an area of 11.5 km2 (4.4 sq mi).


On 1 July 2010 the Shenzhen special economic zone was expanded from 396 square kilometres (153 sq mi) to 1,953 square kilometres (754 sq mi)


In 2010, the GDP reached a record high of 951 billion yuan, an increase of 10.7% over 2009.
Shenzhen is in the top ranks among mainland Chinese cities in terms of comprehensive economic power.

and they cant afford to open a few more sweatshops? we are not talking about the way america does things with this place lol
even simple old fasttech is over 30,000 sq feet fully staffed and running 24/7

 

[patkin]

You could be right. But, consider this, there could be a reason other than what you've thought of. It could be they're offloading products that don't pass the QC requirementso and, thus, don't want their brand name on. Its a risk if that absence of QC results in a dangerous product they don't want to sacrifice their reputation for or money in lawsuits. But, yeh, big names like Delmonte do it. They sell off enmass to those putting their store brand or generic label on... closest I can think of.

 

[Thrasher]

You could be right. But, consider this, there could be a reason other than what you've thought of. It could be they're offloading products that don't pass the QC requirementso and, thus, don't want their brand name on. Its a risk if that absence of QC results in a dangerous product they don't want to sacrifice their reputation for or money in lawsuits. But, yeh, big names like Delmonte do it. They sell off enmass to those putting their store brand or generic label on... closest I can think of.

this exact thing has been what many are suggesting grand vapor does.

 

[Ref Minor]

ETA: I hope most of you realize The large majority of those Chinese Manufacturers are just Small business purchasing Private label from the same Manufacturer.
No way in heck Shenzhen Has 2000+ machine Shops Plus all the other product manufactures listed there. Seriously?

Shenzhen is a city of 10 million people that in 1979 was a small fishing village, at that point it was designated a special economic zone by the Chinese GVT and specialises in consumer electronics manufacturing. I am guessing it seriously has a heck of small machine shops that rely on subbed out work many of which will look for items to manufacture in their less busy periods.

 

[puchox]

Probably there are a few original designers that are using china to keep revenue "in house". From a pure business stand point it makes sense, not only you get a good amount of money by selling the original ones made by your hand but you also get a truck load of money from the cheap ones.

There is a gigantic group of people that buy the next clone the day it goes out because it goes for 20-30 which is not that much of an investment. And sometimes performance wise they are not that different from the real deal.

If i was making mods i'd probably offer an expensive version with serial number and a better presentation and a cheaper china made version that met certain standards that i wanted for my clients.

Now, from a consumer stand point, i've been looking at the GP Paps Lux or a real Nemesis. I like to use the things i buy, i won't buy a mod just to use it at home for example, if i like it i will use it everywhere. 20 minutes ago i dropped my nemesis clone on the street, i would be probably crying right now if it was the real deal

 

[DrillRX]

my thoughts. I feel that the ONLY way these clones are actual 1:1 "copies" is that they are actually the real deal. I am willing to be that the designers of the King, Nemesis, and Chi You for example are actually selling the design to FastTech to make more money over more sales while still offering their own at high end prices. I think they'd be fools not to do this, and with new models being cloned even before the actual model is released just furthers to convince me that these Chinese "Knock Offs" are actually the real thing being mass produced by designed provided by the designers themselves.

This goes for RBA/RDA's as well. The Trident for example is exactly the same 1:1 as the real one. The Kraken clone...same thing...exact copy. It's just far too convenient to call them clones when they are exact 1:1 as the supposed "real deal" item.

There...I've said it.

The "clones" are actually the real thing.

Kind of like buying a generic light bulb. It is actually made by Phillips, but cheaper because it doesn't carry the Phillips badge. Hmm, interesting idea. There could be something to that. Not so for all clones though. In one instance, the "Sentinal" mod is a stainless steel mod, one clone of it is made from aluminum, but looks exactly the same.

 

[ch1naski]

Nice guitar. You don't mind if I "borrow" all your music and use it to make a living? I'm just double dipping. I'm OK with that. In fact, I appreciate it. Thanks!

I criticize such comments only because there are perfectly good cheap mods that do not steal from the designs of others, and in fact have their own innovative design and aesthetic. No excuse for supporting thieves with so many good, reliable devices in the $40-$80 range out there.

Point taken. And I agree. But....
Let me make an addendum to my earlier statement.....I do not condone the blatant stealing of the logo/name of the original designer. That is wrong. The functional design itself, on the other hand, I have no problem with. Especially if it's an innovative design. I would NOT buy a clone simply to make it seem like I had a trendy piece of vape gear with a revered name/logo on it.

Curt.

 

[WillyZee]

You obviously have not held a real and clone Nemesis or Chi You side by side

Nope ... but every other suspect cloned product I have seen ... proved to be a clone.

just because you cannot notice the difference in something counterfeit ... doesn't mean everyone can't

 

[dahlialady]

That being said, I have held a Chi you, and its clone side by side and they are identical, I am going to order the clone myself.

I could not agree more with this and the OP. Certainly there are clones out there. Fakes....cheap fakes....and there are clones out there that are EXACTLY the same. It's my hard earned cash...I would buy a good quality clone.

 

[Camaroboi13]

The biggest form of flattery is imitation...the original makers should feel so lucky to have their precious pieces duplicated by the thousands when too many people like myself can't sit around the computer and wait for a small batch of mods that sells out of stock in 20 minutes. Bottom line for me is not the price, it's the fact that some of the originals are just so hard to get it just makes sense to buy a clone and have it now.

I'd be willing to bet that 75+% of purchases out there are mostly impulse...meaning you don't NEED to have that item but it was shiny and cool and you just had to have it. People who need to have it want it right away, and aren't going to sit on a waiting list for the real deal when they can have something just as cool and shiny as the original, only difference being one was made in a basement and the other was made in china. I don't care how much it costs, if it's shiny and cool and I want it, I am going to figure out how to get it to my house and in my hands the fastest. If that means buying a collectible replica, then so be it.