"Clones" are actually the REAL THING
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Lol, I need to get better at makin points, Or I guess I could just say what I mean... sarcasm is a dead art.
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Herbert A. Gilbert. Had an idea, and set out ahead of his time to develop a safer alternative to smoking, And that really is the point of all this!
So maybe it's all just a copy of a 50 year old idea, But I come here to enjoy these funny topics, Have a giggle and use this as a diversion to keep off the stinkies, kinda like smokers anonymous.
All while keeping an eye on the legislation of E-cigs and learning new things about them... Half to most of what I say is a joke, The whole point here is to keep off cigarettes.
So laugh, live and lighten up guys, Have a vape!!!
A link to Herbert's Patent... http://www.google.com/patents/US3200819 If anyone cares.
So maybe it's all just a copy of a 50 year old idea, But I come here to enjoy these funny topics, Have a giggle and use this as a diversion to keep off the stinkies, kinda like smokers anonymous.
All while keeping an eye on the legislation of E-cigs and learning new things about them... Half to most of what I say is a joke, The whole point here is to keep off cigarettes.
So laugh, live and lighten up guys, Have a vape!!!
A link to Herbert's Patent... http://www.google.com/patents/US3200819 If anyone cares.
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OP has a very good point. Look at it this way people.
If you are a collector or just dumb, you would not dare touch a clone because of your "policy"
If you are a smart person who is still dedicated to your hobby, you would buy an original mixed with clones
If you are just there to have fun and just to be "in", you would think wise and put ur cash to the cheapest yet reliable ones.
This is how the world runs now. People make original and overprice them, then release "clones" basically a cheaper version but how would you know and prove that its cheap right?
Examples?
Shoes. Original jordans 1 - 28 would sell 400 - 600 freshly released. They will only make a number of pairs to make its value go higher BUT have you ever noticed that there are Jordan 1s and there are air force 1s dunks? Identical right? There are jordan 3,4,5 and yet there are jordans that look the same as the 3,4,5 with a different name (same brand, nike/jordan) and with a cheaper price.
Still not enough? Cars!
Look up subaru BRZ and scion FRS. COMPLETELY identical cars being sold by two different companies. Check out dodge caravan, chrysler town and country van, completely identical. Check out honda civic and honda city. Check out GMC yukon and chevrolet tahoe. Pontiac vibe and toyota matrix.
People are not stupid to think that they would keep selling the same items for a long time for 300++ dollar for just a combination of metal. If you think of it like this, they will make 50 "originals" and sell it 100 each, then compare them making 500 "clones" for 10 bucks each. Both would get 500 but made out of the same materials, how much do you think metals cost? The process itself is not expensive, fast-paced, can make 1000s in a short period of time, with just investing on your first item, continuos pay for materials only.
But then having the original will make the owner richer or at least something to brag about
To each their own preferences, these are just opinions.
Happy vaping!
If you are a collector or just dumb, you would not dare touch a clone because of your "policy"
If you are a smart person who is still dedicated to your hobby, you would buy an original mixed with clones
If you are just there to have fun and just to be "in", you would think wise and put ur cash to the cheapest yet reliable ones.
This is how the world runs now. People make original and overprice them, then release "clones" basically a cheaper version but how would you know and prove that its cheap right?
Examples?
Shoes. Original jordans 1 - 28 would sell 400 - 600 freshly released. They will only make a number of pairs to make its value go higher BUT have you ever noticed that there are Jordan 1s and there are air force 1s dunks? Identical right? There are jordan 3,4,5 and yet there are jordans that look the same as the 3,4,5 with a different name (same brand, nike/jordan) and with a cheaper price.
Still not enough? Cars!
Look up subaru BRZ and scion FRS. COMPLETELY identical cars being sold by two different companies. Check out dodge caravan, chrysler town and country van, completely identical. Check out honda civic and honda city. Check out GMC yukon and chevrolet tahoe. Pontiac vibe and toyota matrix.
People are not stupid to think that they would keep selling the same items for a long time for 300++ dollar for just a combination of metal. If you think of it like this, they will make 50 "originals" and sell it 100 each, then compare them making 500 "clones" for 10 bucks each. Both would get 500 but made out of the same materials, how much do you think metals cost? The process itself is not expensive, fast-paced, can make 1000s in a short period of time, with just investing on your first item, continuos pay for materials only.
But then having the original will make the owner richer or at least something to brag about
To each their own preferences, these are just opinions.
Happy vaping!
This clears up the origination of some of our attys, as a completely open source development and as such could not be subject to a patent.
So were would the battery mods stand?
Checking back a little further in the "Modders Forum" there seems to be a large number of designs for the Screwdriver, the Copper and various Laser Pointer mods being built. These were the first mech mods, and included every type, style and materials used for switches and connectors. Does a company deserve a patent for accurate machining, improved materials? (but the threads are "butter-smooth..
)I agree is someone uses a trademarked name, or decoration, this is flat wrong, it's no longer a clone, it's flat counterfeiting. As such anyone that condones drinking of Anheuser-Busch, Budweiser instead of the original Czech Republic, Budweiser brewed by Budejovicky Budvar simply is aiding and abetting counterfeiting....
If I got caught riding a high horse, who would get charged with OUI... Me or the high horse?
And are these horses clones?
Ok...
Clone = identical
Copy = close but not identical
And they cant sell their designs since they more than likely havnt patented them...
So no the clones arent the real deal
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Clone = identical
Copy = close but not identical
And they cant sell their designs since they more than likely havnt patented them...
So no the clones arent the real deal
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I had a couple of those Ibanez Les Pauls back in the 70s. To this day, one of them is still the best playing Les Paul I ever owned.
The Ibanez inlay on the headstock was styled so that from a distance, it actually looked like the Gibson logo. Not nearly as blatant as some of the current Chines mod knockoffs, but still enough to get Customs to seize and destroy them by the container full.
One of the funniest things I ever read was an interview with the Ibanez CEO a few years later in Guitar Player magazine. He was complaining about Korean manufacturers building guitars that looked a lit hike their's and pointing out that they were using cheap labor and not having to spend as much on R&D.
To quote David Byrne, "Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was..."
I'd have to disagree that clones are the real thing, I'd say that statement is pretty silly. I could careless less if people buy them, many people have good reason to do so. As a matter of fact if you do a minimal amount of research; you can easily find out how much of Americas soul has already been sold to China, labor, manufacturing, etc....
What does irk me, is that China is now not only "cloning" the initial design but now the logos i.e. Nemesis, Grand Vapor....that's going from copying to down right ripping peoples design off.
You can only buy what you can rationalize, afford, find, and thats fine but let's not kid ourselves and call them "The Real Thing". I'll skip a few purchases to save for the real deal and put my money in the pocket of those who are actually designing and developing mods.
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What does irk me, is that China is now not only "cloning" the initial design but now the logos i.e. Nemesis, Grand Vapor....that's going from copying to down right ripping peoples design off.
You can only buy what you can rationalize, afford, find, and thats fine but let's not kid ourselves and call them "The Real Thing". I'll skip a few purchases to save for the real deal and put my money in the pocket of those who are actually designing and developing mods.
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Company A in country U contracts a factory F in China to produce 1 million item A for 10 month.
Factory F starts churning out the stuff, and after 10 months, the contract expires and is not renewed.
Factory F still has stuff churning out and they also got some 10% rate of rejects because the logo was fuzzy! So they sell the stuff!
Now in a case like that, is this stuff clone? Might depend on one's definition of clone.
When companies produce their own products you won't get that confusion but when everybody is getting their stuff made in China, you could end up getting 'genuine' leftovers and rejects I suppose.
Factory F starts churning out the stuff, and after 10 months, the contract expires and is not renewed.
Factory F still has stuff churning out and they also got some 10% rate of rejects because the logo was fuzzy! So they sell the stuff!
Now in a case like that, is this stuff clone? Might depend on one's definition of clone.
When companies produce their own products you won't get that confusion but when everybody is getting their stuff made in China, you could end up getting 'genuine' leftovers and rejects I suppose.
30 pages.....of argueing over a metal tube with a switch. Fancy mod makers can patent a graphic or whatever, but please. Do NOT act like Caravela or Poldiac or Atomo or whomever invented these things. Its all down to value. Because if you want to get into the whole "original idea" thing, its gonna take a while to get to the bottom of who put the first switch in a tube to turn on a light, laser, coil, or what have you. If I was a patent office and someone came in to patent their e-cig, I would laugh them out of the place. Because tubes with switches have been around since....maybe a year or two after electricity? Simply because some small shop took higher-quality parts together with a cool design and did it before a plant in China does NOT mean they invented the damn thing.
Now, if we were talking a completely NEW thing, then we would have a little more ground to stand on as far as what may be an "original", NEW item. You want something that works pretty good and looks OK? Get the clone. You want something that looks nicer and is made with higher quality materials? Get a nicer hand-made limited edition mod. But don't go decieving yourself. EVERY SINGLE E-CIGARETTE MOD MAKER IS MAKING A SLIGHT VARIATION OF THE SAME THING. Switch on side, back, front, minor diff. Color, finish, feel? again, minor diff. NONE of these are more than overbuilt or overcomplicated flashlights. And NONE of these modders invented that.
Now, if we were talking a completely NEW thing, then we would have a little more ground to stand on as far as what may be an "original", NEW item. You want something that works pretty good and looks OK? Get the clone. You want something that looks nicer and is made with higher quality materials? Get a nicer hand-made limited edition mod. But don't go decieving yourself. EVERY SINGLE E-CIGARETTE MOD MAKER IS MAKING A SLIGHT VARIATION OF THE SAME THING. Switch on side, back, front, minor diff. Color, finish, feel? again, minor diff. NONE of these are more than overbuilt or overcomplicated flashlights. And NONE of these modders invented that.
IMO, there really is very little that is all that new under the sun. Everything that man creates is built upon something previously done before. As an example, look at the history of the internal combustion engine, some of the components (cam/crankshaft) go back to the third century and there has been a lot of patent disputes won/lost/denied and a LOT of outright "cloning" along the way. And yet, at it's basics, it is still the same engine that we have been using for over 100 years - just little tweaks here and there and a whole slew of "offboard" devices added on.
"Cloning" happens all the time and has happened since someone chipped a spear point out of flint. This evil "cloning" is what has enabled man's technology to advance as rapidly as it has. People getting their panties in a wad about someone withholding a technology from another have often led to murder and wars where people murder each other by the thousands and everything in between.
Trademarks\Copyrights, on the other hand, don't have anything to do with the technology of a device or how good or poorly a device works. Trademarks\Copyright disputes are usually handled in a more civil manor.
As a consumer, Trademarks\Copyright disputes are not my concern, that is something for courts to decide. Word of mouth conjecture is just that and statements buy a particular party in a dispute prove nothing even if it may seem obvious true.
At least in the US, people are innocent of crimes until they are proven guilty.
As to whether or not at least some of these clones are "the real thing", it would make good business in some cases if they were but that too is conjecture.
All I know is that I bought a product that was legitimately for sale at the time of purchase through a legitimate vendor. I feel no shame.
I did remove the etchings from my Nemesis clone but not bc of any legal disputes - I just don't care for them. I also do not wear jewelry or tattoos - but that is just me.
BTW.
Do you have a tattoo of a brand logo that is not licensed? That's trademark infringement.
Did you ever sing "Happy Birthday To You" to a loved one/friend and not send in a royalty check? That's copyright infringement.
Musicians, did you every play songs at a party, around a campfire or in a dive and the royalties not paid? That's copyright infringement.
You break the law every day in some form or other and ignorance of those laws is no excuse from being prosecuted for them.
Just bc you got away with it means nothing, this does not exclude you from a moral obligation. If you are one of the high horse moralists, I think it is time to send in your payments.
The rest of us "outlaws" will keep our money and vape on.
"Cloning" happens all the time and has happened since someone chipped a spear point out of flint. This evil "cloning" is what has enabled man's technology to advance as rapidly as it has. People getting their panties in a wad about someone withholding a technology from another have often led to murder and wars where people murder each other by the thousands and everything in between.
Trademarks\Copyrights, on the other hand, don't have anything to do with the technology of a device or how good or poorly a device works. Trademarks\Copyright disputes are usually handled in a more civil manor.
As a consumer, Trademarks\Copyright disputes are not my concern, that is something for courts to decide. Word of mouth conjecture is just that and statements buy a particular party in a dispute prove nothing even if it may seem obvious true.
At least in the US, people are innocent of crimes until they are proven guilty.
As to whether or not at least some of these clones are "the real thing", it would make good business in some cases if they were but that too is conjecture.
All I know is that I bought a product that was legitimately for sale at the time of purchase through a legitimate vendor. I feel no shame.
I did remove the etchings from my Nemesis clone but not bc of any legal disputes - I just don't care for them. I also do not wear jewelry or tattoos - but that is just me.
BTW.
Do you have a tattoo of a brand logo that is not licensed? That's trademark infringement.
Did you ever sing "Happy Birthday To You" to a loved one/friend and not send in a royalty check? That's copyright infringement.
Musicians, did you every play songs at a party, around a campfire or in a dive and the royalties not paid? That's copyright infringement.
You break the law every day in some form or other and ignorance of those laws is no excuse from being prosecuted for them.
Just bc you got away with it means nothing, this does not exclude you from a moral obligation. If you are one of the high horse moralists, I think it is time to send in your payments.
The rest of us "outlaws" will keep our money and vape on.
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