Clones, Are they Worth the Money?

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WillyZee

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WillyZee, have I somehow mislead you into believing that I like you? Did I somehow lead you to believe that your opinion means anything to me? Why are you so jealous? If you have a single friend in the vape business that is a serious player, simply call them and ask them who I am. This is not a bragging contest. This is not who has the most or how much I have. I am sorry if it pisses you off that I could buy everything you have or ever will have out of household mad money account, but what does that matter?

Understand that I am a well respected collector of authentic vapes. If I don't know you and or you don't know me or someone who does, than you are of no significance to me or anyone else that spends serious money on mods. Grow up and stop trying to insult me. Now go snitch to the mods on me....lmao! I just love cowards that insult people from behind their keyboards.

dude ... I am jealous of no man ... I do find you amusing and entertaining though.

for someone who thinks he's so well respected ... I've never met anyone of your kind in my 50 years.

I earn my respect ... never heard of someone buying it.
 
I just wonder how good the kayfun's guy english is. Was a translator needed? A good sum of Germans can speak english, but it's not always that great.
Actually it was at the ECC convention in September of this year and bitte nicht mit mir. Though der Kerl spricht Russisch besser als deutsche.
 

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@Ryedon, I speak from personal experience. Maybe, I should add to the end of my posts a disclaimer that states that I am not an investigative reporter, I don't photograph the misdeads of others or covertly copy confidential documents (especially in the countries I go in and out of). That said, I do understand that some people just like to hear the sound of their own voice or in this case, read their own words. However, I speak the truth and lay it out to people to either believe it or not.

As for further info, just ask anyone who works n China if you think I am pulling your leg. What I have mentioned here in this post is common knowledge to just about everyone that goes in and out of the Shenzen plants.

Tyger, I hear ya man. It's not that I don't want to believe you, it's that I can't do that without proof that makes sense to me.

Look, if I said that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaping above 50 watts is bad for you, would you believe me or would you ask me to prove it? Seriously, I would like to know how that would go down for you.

Unfortunately I can't ask someone who works in the Shenzen plants because I don't know anyone who does. That leaves what you claim as your word with nothing corroborating it.

Am I making sense here?
 
dude ... I am jealous of no man ... I do find you amusing and entertaining though.

for someone who thinks he's so well respected ... I've never met anyone of your kind in my 50 years.

I earn my respect ... never heard of someone buying it.

Somebody actually respects you, I sure don't! In fact I don't know anyone who respects cowards.
 

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I have a clone mechanical, a "Fallen Angel," a/k/a the Electric Angel clone, or EA Mod Clone, by EHPro. I'm very happy with it, and from the reviews I read prior to purchasing it, it would seem to be even somewhat better in quality than the original Electric Angel, which I believe may itself be a clone of of a GG mod, though I don't know if that's true, or which GG mod. Considering that the Fallen Angel was $40 and the real Electric Angel runs ~$100-ish, I'd say it's a very good purchase; EHPro typically makes reasonable quality devices. Whichever GG device the real EA *may* be a clone of, is probably a great deal more.

I have 2 KFL+ clones, by Tobeco, with which I am 100% delighted, and considering that they were $32.95 each (real KFL+s are ~$100 -- if you can even find a real one), both are excellent value -- they work perfectly, perfect threading, best vape I've ever had. I have another KFL (not a "plus") by some no-name manufacturer, and it's a piece of stainless steel CRAP, but it was just $25, so I don't feel totally ripped off; someone gave me instructions for making it into a dripper, to make it usable, so I may do that.

I have two RDAs, but both are so inexpensive, there is no need to clone them, so they're "authentic" -- a Caterpillar and an Igo-S. I like the quality of both, but I prefer the vape from the Igo-S, because I like a tighter airflow.

None of my other mods are candidates for cloning, being quite inexpensive -- 3 iTaste vv3s, a Sigelei Zmax v3, and a Vamo V2.

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Tyger, I hear ya man. It's not that I don't want to believe you, it's that I can't do that without proof that makes sense to me.

Look, if I said that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaping above 50 watts is bad for you, would you believe me or would you ask me to prove it? Seriously, I would like to know how that would go down for you.

Unfortunately I can't ask someone who works in the Shenzen plants because I don't know anyone who does. That leaves what you claim as your word with nothing corroborating it.

Am I making sense here?

Crystal clear Sir. I am not insulted by your stating that you would like proof. I don't take things at face value either. However, I think I have made it very clear that I offer information on a take it or leave it basis. I read all kinds of things everyday. Some of it I take seriously, others I take with a grain of salt. But one thing I never do is get offended by someone sharing what they believe to be factual. As a director of engineering for a large pharmaceutical company, I visit plants that I am in charge of all over the world. I see things and hear things that I can't photograph or record, so I simply pass on the information to people who I think may be interested and let them decide for themselves.

You don't know me so I have earned no creditability with you or many others. One of the reasons I post my true identity and the contact information of people who know me is so that no one can ever accuse me of hiding behind my keyboard and spewing out crap. I tell everyone that if you want to question me, simply pick up the phone and call me. If you doubt my integrity, call people who know me. All the picture posting and even posting copies of documents (all that can be edited) is nothing in comparison to going directly to the source. If that is not good enough, I don't know what else I can do to help your sort out fact from opinion.
 
I have a clone mechanical, a "Fallen Angel," a/k/a the Electric Angel clone, or EA Mod Clone, by EHPro. I'm very happy with it, and from the reviews I read prior to purchasing it, it would seem to be even somewhat better in quality than the original Electric Angel, which I believe may itself be a clone of of a GG mod, though I don't know if that's true, or which GG mod. Considering that the Fallen Angel was $40 and the real Electric Angel runs ~$100-ish, I'd say it's a very good purchase; EHPro typically makes reasonable quality devices. Whichever GG device the real EA *may* be a clone of, is probably a great deal more.

I have 2 KFL+ clones, by Tobeco, with which I am 100% delighted, and considering that they were $32.95 each (real KFL+s are ~$100 -- if you can even find a real one), both are excellent value -- they work perfectly, perfect threading, best vape I've ever had. I have another KFL (not a "plus") by some no-name manufacturer, and it's a piece of stainless steel CRAP, but it was just $25, so I don't feel totally ripped off; someone gave me instructions for making it into a dripper, to make it usable, so I may do that.

I have two RDAs, but both are so inexpensive, there is no need to clone them, so they're "authentic" -- a Caterpillar and an Igo-S. I like the quality of both, but I prefer the vape from the Igo-S, because I like a tighter airflow.

None of my other mods are candidates for cloning, being quite inexpensive -- 3 iTaste vv3s, a Sigelei Zmax v3, and a Vamo V2.

Andria

Andria, you have brought up some great points in support of buying clones. If you never know for sure what is what, why not throw out the dice on the cheaper route and see if you hit 11 or craps. For the record, I though out those dice as fast as I could pitch them this past month and I came up with craps significantly more than hitting the 11. Though, I was never a great gambler. Thanks for the information Georgia Peach. You all come back anytime.
 

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Are you still hanging around here? Don't you have something better to do with yourself than try to aggravate me. Go get the numbers right first than come back and see me.

I know you said over 200 mods and 250 drippers yesterday ... I was hoping it would be easier, incase you couldn't locate say 50 mods or 100 drippers.
 
I know you said over 200 mods and 250 drippers yesterday ... I was hoping it would be easier, incase you couldn't locate say 50 mods or 100 drippers.


Still got the numbers wrong. Go back and get the right numbers than go learn how to read English. In the last week I have posted pictures showing over 100 mods that I own and an equal number of RDA's. In addition, I have posted the contact information along with my own, of five different highly respected mod manufacturers and vapor shops who have all personally seen my collection. I have also told you how to see my collection and me on Google at the 2014 ECC conference. I also invited you to come see me at the upcoming Houston convention.

Let me repeat this to you before I start reporting every post you make on any thread I am posting on addressed to me, I have politely asked you to stop harassing me and insulting me. I have politely told you repeatedly that I am not unboxing over 120 mods and RDA's to take pictures of them just to satisfy your curiosity. You don't want to see the mods in the first place. The whole point of your remarks is to quietly call me a liar and insult me. If you want to take this further, your not going to be happy with the results.
 
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Andria, you have brought up some great points in support of buying clones. If you never know for sure what is what, why not throw out the dice on the cheaper route and see if you hit 11 or craps. For the record, I though out those dice as fast as I could pitch them this past month and I came up with craps significantly more than hitting the 11. Though, I was never a great gambler. Thanks for the information Georgia Peach. You all come back anytime.

Well I don't really have a lot of choice about buying clones; they're what my budget supports, and I really got lucky, finding those great Tobecos -- one real KFL+ costs *more* than both my clone KFL+ put together. But the crap KFL taught me that if I'm going to buy clones, I'm well advised to learn as much as I can about the product, and the maker, before buying

I admired the look of the Fallen Angel when I first saw it, but at that time I knew far too little about operating a mech safely, so I let it wait until I learned more, but never forgot how much I liked the looks of the Fallen Angel. When I was ready to buy a mech, I looked up as many reviews of it as I could find, and from everything I read, it seemed like a good value, and I have found it to be.

But, all that aside, I like my KFL+ clones so well that if I ever do have the wherewithal to get a real KFL+, I'll definitely do that, because I'm quite sure they're worth the high price.

There's another mech I have my eye on, and I first became acquainted with it by searching on FastTech, but the reviews of FT's clone version were so poor, I went looking for price and other info about the authentic -- a Galileo by SmokTech -- and it's so inexpensive, and I like Smok products, I didn't waste anymore time even looking at the FT Galileo clone.

Andria
 
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