Clones VS The Real Deal...

[BigCloudz]

You said it better then I could. Finally someone who believes hard work should be rewarded.

I think you are giving people a bit too much credit, my friend. The main difference here is the fact the Chinese pay their laborers penny on the dollars opposed to the other countries manufacturing these devices. When all said n' done, these mods are damn near the same thing.

If I did a 'coca cola' taste test challenge with you, I would bet hundreds you couldn't pick out the clone by taking a few drags and holding the device in your hand..

 

[Pinggolfer]

I do agree that Fasttech could be a little less arcane in their clone disclosure. If you, for some reason, decided to not research why a mod they have is so much cheaper, you would not see one of the common "fasttech doesn't put the brand name on their clones" threads that come up on google. I would prefer the come right out and say clone.

That aside, I'll remember to research which Chinese clone pacemakers are just as reliable as the name brand, next time I need one. Just like I do for any other product that I'm researching knock-offs for.

Funny, but you would end up with a Boston Scientific pacemaker. I doubt you will be getting one from Fasttech. Who knows they might even sell them.

 

[Mr343]

Here is my .02

- If you do not want it cloned.... patent it!!!
- If you do clone it.... at the very least don't use the logos from the original.

I use clones just flat out because of the money and availability. I do not mind the slight mods it takes to make them work good. I will not buy one that says it is something it is not though.

I think that the real ones tough, are the best in Fit finish and over all quality, and that is at least a good portion of what you are paying for..... When you can get one that is

With all that said. I have actually gone to buy the real deal several times, be it mod or atty and cannot because you just cannot get in fast enough to do so....Have I mentioned this yet ...

I do not see how the clone market is even hurting them in the current state of how these devices are put out or the quantity that they are put out in.... You really just about cannot get one even if you really want one most of the time.


in the end if you are not smoking then what ever you are using is doing its job!!

Later on folks

 

[st0nedpenguin]

I didn't say it was easy to duplicate but they have obviously already done it. So it stands to reason that they already have the hard part down, the button and somewhat the top, most chinese companies have been fine making tubes. Would you rather have a fake chi you over a mech with the same type button and different tubes/lock ring/art work?

Also, Chi's sell for $225 at retail though I do realize pricing locally in So Cal is probably jacked up. They go for that much for a lot of reasons but that's not what my post was about. It was more about why would I want a fake anything? There are cheaper alternatives without the branding. If it's about the branding, doesn't it being fake defeat the purpose unless you lied and told people it was real?

Because most people aren't buying them because the logo and serial was cloned, most people are buying them because they look good regardless of being a clone, and because they perform well.

 

[look30]

I absolutely support clones, as long as they don't claim to be the original. If you want a $300 status symbol, go for it. In the mean time, I'm just fine with a knock-off that functions well.

-Scarey: Pirate Vaper

Clone a Mod = Immoral
Charge an arm and a leg for a piece of SS tube with a spring = Immoral



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[TheSystemHasFailed]

So glad I got my Legacy on time...I see they are cloning those now...29$...hahahhaha, yeah, right away.

 

[Cifitzu]

Love the idea of clones. Why? They come out and fill the mass demand. The only ones that wouldn't be are the ones that can afford the origanal and hate seeing their little gem lose its value or appeal to everyone else. Don't get me wrong I was one of the first to buy a Lux when they came out and still a proud owner. However the reasoning behind it is a little different. For one just the other day I recieved my piccolo upgraded button in the mail and gold plated pins. Didn't have to pay a thing not even postage. Why? Because gp promises to keep your device compatible with future technology. Yeah I have bought other high end mods and sold them but gp is the only brand of mechs that I still support.....and with saying that want to buy my piccolo v3 or lux? Lol

 

[State O' Flux]

The battle between principals, and pocketbook. When the pocketbook is light... the principals tend to lighten with it.

Fakes, copies, clones have been around for as long as man has made wonderful, beautiful valuable things... and will continue to be around as long as people desire wonderful, beautiful valuable things... at a price they can afford. How many of us have copies of famous paintings in our homes? Shoes, suits, watches, cars, guns, chairs, lamps... the list goes on forever.

I buy "budget mechanical mods"... and original "works of art". That's how I define it. Many BMMs are an inaccurate and perhaps colorized print of an original, or an amalgamation of several originals... and the original, be it a Picasso or a Vaporart GP... is an original.
On rare occasion, the BMM is, by degrees, better than the WoA... but not often.
With, sadly, more frequency, some BBMs are visual and dimensional 1:1 copies... and this I frown upon, but it will not stop. It is a fact of life.

I buy BMMs because the WoAs can be hard to come by and are expensive. I worked as a machinist. I know what it would cost to dead nuts duplicate a WoA. Yes, they are somewhat over-priced for what they are, and yes, you are paying for some exclusivity and bragging rights... but that's OK. It's a free country... buy what you want.

I don't buy from FT on principal, and yes, you may call me an idiot. I buy from US, Philippine, Australian and European vendors. The only time I skirt the vendor is when I participate in co-op... and that I do mostly for the fun of it.

That's my story... and I'm shticking to it.

 

[Scarey]

Funny, but you would end up with a Boston Scientific pacemaker. I doubt you will be getting one from Fasttech. Who knows they might even sell them.

Do discount pacemakers show up in their consumer electronics section?

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

The battle between principals, and pocketbook. When the pocketbook is light... the principals tend to lighten with it.

Fakes, copies, clones have been around for as long as man has made wonderful, beautiful valuable things... and will continue to be around as long as people desire wonderful, beautiful valuable things... at a price they can afford. How many of us have copies of famous paintings in our homes? Shoes, suits, watches, cars, guns, chairs, lamps... the list goes on forever.

I buy "budget mechanical mods"... and original "works of art". That's how I define it. Many BMMs are an inaccurate and perhaps colorized print of an original, or an amalgamation of several originals... and the original, be it a Picasso or a Vaporart GP... is an original.
On rare occasion, the BMM is, by degrees, better than the WoA... but not often.
With, sadly, more frequency, some BBMs are visual and dimensional 1:1 copies... and this I frown upon, but it will not stop. It is a fact of life.

I buy BMMs because the WoAs can be hard to come by and are expensive. I worked as a machinist. I know what it would cost to dead nuts duplicate a WoA. Yes, they are somewhat over-priced for what they are, and yes, you are paying for some exclusivity and bragging rights... but that's OK. It's a free country... buy what you want.

I don't buy from FT on principal, and yes, you may call me an idiot. I buy from US, Philippine, Australian and European vendors. The only time I skirt the vendor is when I participate in co-op... and that I do mostly for the fun of it.

That's my story... and I'm shticking to it.

Preach brotha!

 

[Fury83]

Because most people aren't buying them because the logo and serial was cloned, most people are buying them because they look good regardless of being a clone, and because they perform well.

If there was a mod priced the same as the chi you clone, the same quality but looked different yet still nice...which one do you think would sell more? I am guessing the clone.

I think some of it is entitlement and refusal to accept that there are some things you can't have for various reasons.

Clone a Mod = Immoral
Charge an arm and a leg for a piece of SS tube with a spring = Immoral



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One is something taken from someone else and the other involves a choice. Is this not different?

 

[st0nedpenguin]

If there was a mod priced the same as the chi you clone, the same quality but looked different yet still nice...which one do you think would sell more? I am guessing the clone.

I think some of it is entitlement and refusal to accept that there are some things you can't have for various reasons.



One is something taken from someone else and the other involves a choice. Is this not different?

More people I speak to who are ordering these clones are doing so on Fasttech and have zero idea it's even a clone of another device.

 

[BigCloudz]

The battle between principals, and pocketbook. When the pocketbook is light... the principals tend to lighten with it.

Fakes, copies, clones have been around for as long as man has made wonderful, beautiful valuable things... and will continue to be around as long as people desire wonderful, beautiful valuable things... at a price they can afford. How many of us have copies of famous paintings in our homes? Shoes, suits, watches, cars, guns, chairs, lamps... the list goes on forever.

I buy "budget mechanical mods"... and original "works of art". That's how I define it. Many BMMs are an inaccurate and perhaps colorized print of an original, or an amalgamation of several originals... and the original, be it a Picasso or a Vaporart GP... is an original.
On rare occasion, the BMM is, by degrees, better than the WoA... but not often.
With, sadly, more frequency, some BBMs are visual and dimensional 1:1 copies... and this I frown upon, but it will not stop. It is a fact of life.

I buy BMMs because the WoAs can be hard to come by and are expensive. I worked as a machinist. I know what it would cost to dead nuts duplicate a WoA. Yes, they are somewhat over-priced for what they are, and yes, you are paying for some exclusivity and bragging rights... but that's OK. It's a free country... buy what you want.

I don't buy from FT on principal, and yes, you may call me an idiot. I buy from US, Philippine, Australian and European vendors. The only time I skirt the vendor is when I participate in co-op... and that I do mostly for the fun of it.

That's my story... and I'm shticking to it.

Agreed. I do not buy from FT for a couple reasons, the main being that I am an impatient .......

 

[BigCloudz]

If there was a mod priced the same as the chi you clone, the same quality but looked different yet still nice...which one do you think would sell more? I am guessing the clone.

I think some of it is entitlement and refusal to accept that there are some things you can't have for various reasons.



One is something taken from someone else and the other involves a choice. Is this not different?

We are splitting hairs. In a sense, EVERYONE is taking something from the original, very first mechanical mod ever made. You can justify what these guys are doing by marking up the price by 200%, but can't see any good in the clones?

Idk, this is why I started the thread, I guess. Though, I have yet to see someone say they have vaped both and CLEARLY like the $300 mod over the $50 mod....

 

[Scarey]

If there was a mod priced the same as the chi you clone, the same quality but looked different yet still nice...which one do you think would sell more? I am guessing the clone.

I think some of it is entitlement and refusal to accept that there are some things you can't have for various reasons.



One is something taken from someone else and the other involves a choice. Is this not different?

What exactly has been taken? Did they walk into the shop and steal a box of mods? Or are you calling the implementation of ideas theft? Better burn down the 3D printers and CNC machines then, otherwise people might be able to make things for themselves at cost...

 

[State O' Flux]

Preach brotha!

Not trying to be preachy gents and ladies... I just don't get these circular arguments. No one... and I defy anyone to tell me they do, buys only originals.

One one hand... support the artist!!! On the other, ah... I can support the artist - to a point... then it's time to get practical.

You may not even realize when you buy, a lamp for example, that someone, somewhere designed that lamp, and it may very well be a copy of a highly desirable, and costly original. Did you buy the original $4000 lamp, or the $300 copy? I'm betting, unless you're filthy rich, the copy.

I have a chair in my office that was originally designed by Chas & Ray Eames in the mid 1950s, called a "La Chaise Chair". A "licensed designer version" (what ever the hell that is) is about $4K-$8K. My exceptionally well made, authentic but unlicensed, copy cost $900. Do I care? Not one whit.
The designers are dead, and the "licensed designer version" poofs can suck it for all I care... they are trading off the name of two very creative, but very dead, guys. The Eames descendants can suck it too. They are making money off of minds... not their own.

Not being preachy... nor do I want to argue just for the sake of argument. I'm just being realistic in a world where we, or rather 99.9% of us, can't afford not to.

Christ... how the hell to I get caught up in this stuff? I'm sooo outa here. Forums are for fun... not climbing on the backs of others to reach some unreachable moral high-ground.

 

[_sidekick_]

I have purchased all of my mods and atomizers for the price of one "high end" mech. mod. 1 Vamo, 1 private V2 FT special, 2 eGos, 3 bottom coil clearos, 2 dripping atomizers. All of that, or one mod? I'll take my collection over one mod.

It's funny, because a lot of the clones reviews say there are improvements over the originals. The Igo-L clone is a great example. Many complained about the height of the airhole, the clone raised the airhole and I believe, has a slightly larger juice "bowl" than the original for about half the price. Why would I buy the "real" one?

I have a bunch of designs for mods/atomizers that I plan to make once I can get access to a machine shop again. I know they will be cloned if produced and I don't really care. If someone can do it as well or better than me, for a lower price, then so be it. The issue with a lot of the "real" mods is that the manufacturers cannot keep up with demand, so even if someone wanted to purchase the "real" version, they couldn't. In fact, I bet most of these manufacturers don't truly lose any money to the clones, because if someone wants the "real" version, for whatever reason, they will most likely wait.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I stay within my budget WITHOUT having to mod for voltage loss, due to crap construction.

A good thread title would be (not that this isn't one) Which Clone Has No Voltage Drop/Needs No Modding.

 

[grindle]

Which Clone Has No Voltage Drop/Needs No Modding.

The EHPro EA clone.

 

[WattWick]

You said it better then I could. Finally someone who believes hard work should be rewarded.

There is a limit...

Try to convince me there is more R&D, CNC work, quality metal and parts in a mech mod than there is in this puppy:

That's $199,- ... for a combustion engine!

http://www.osengines.com/engines-heli/osmg1951/index.html