[CLOSED - Out of business]

[baphomet68]

i diy my 'juice, with 36mg/ml being one of my standard nic bases (100mg/ml the other). Its just easier to slide the 36mg WTA into my recipe's, substituting some portion of base 1 for 1. Of course I ordered a 30ml of the 25 strength as it is awesome stuff, but I would rather have it in the convenient 36 strength. And of course, more is better, I would prefer 240ml to 30.
And I do like an occasional drop of 36mg/ml in my drip atomizer. For when I get really fiendsome.

 

[jfresh]

when will the unflavored 36mg WTA be back in stock?

I should have the next batch ready and the 36mg back in stock by Friday. I'll go ahead and list a couple bottles now, though, so you can take advantage of the 15% off New Years sale we're having now. (Ends tomorrow) Use code: HAPPY2015

It won't ship till next week though, so I'll have ample time for testing and bottling, etc. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[jfresh]

I should also mention that I'm waiting on an overdue shipment of USPS boxes. (The local post office is out also.) Which means we're going to get existing orders out as soon as possible, but that's already running toward the long end of things.

I am sorry. That's one thing about all of this; it seems like there's always something. Oh well, you do the best you can.

 

[baphomet68]

thanks for getting the stuff listed so quick. you rock!

 

[jfresh]

thanks for getting the stuff listed so quick. you rock!

Well, opinions seem to vary about that! HAHA. But thanks!~

 

[jfresh]

Hi everyone. Just thought I'd give you all a chance to grab some WTA at the current prices AND strengths. I'm going to the industry standard....6, 12, 18, 24, 36mg...soon...working on the new labels now...and for some of the strengths, also raising prices a bit. No getting around it. Raw materials account for so much of the overall cost...a real bottom line cost with WTA...and we've been skirting that line to the best of our ability for quite some time. It's important that the product be affordable, of course, but there does seem to be some undervaluing...when I see what people are charging for nic-only stuff...well, you get it. I sincerely hope the new prices aren't too much for anyone. I just standardized them by gram cost of WTA...in some cases it's going to be basically unchanged.

But yeah, get your 25mg, 21mg and 17mg at current prices before it's gone. 24mg and 18mg possibly as early as next week....

 

[jfresh]

Of course, I'll be sending out a newsletter along with any changes, but I thought I'd give ecf a heads up.

 

[jfresh]

As promised, we've changed our formulations to industry standard strengths and added lower strength options!

We now offer:
6mg, 12mg, 18mg, & 24mg
for our entire line of e-liquids.
(DIY 36mg is still available, as well)

Also, 15ml bottles have replaced 10ml bottles.

Thanks, as always, for your helpful suggestions! We appreciate them. Use code: STANDARD
for 12% off all orders through the remainder of February!

 

[rinstarangel]

So I've read all 93 pages here (yes it took me forever!) and I didn't find what I was looking for so please forgive me if I missed it but here's my situation/question: I currently vape 8-11mg e-liquids in 2.5ml bottom feeding coil tanks (Kangertech T3S). What would be the ideal version of unflavored WTA for me to get to add into the tank, as in adding a few drops to the liquid currently in the tank - the DIY or one of the lower strengths? And how many drops? Also, being that I vape all fruity/sweet flavors, would the "Touch of Sweet" be a better option taste-wise to add instead of unflavored? Thanks in advance!!

 

[baphomet68]

So, rinstarangel, I would suggest purchasing the "15ml WholeCig WTA e-Liquid" in the 12mg/ml strength option for the use you describe, and adding .5 (1/2) ML to your tank when you refill it vas a starting point. The normal WTA is a VG eliquid, which is a sweet flavor naturally, and the WTA has a further sweet flavor of its own. I would try the regular WTA, and if it is not sweet enough, then go on and give "touch of sweet" a try.
I suggest dialing in the ratio using the 12mg/ml product, and perhaps grab up a measuring syringe off Ebay or somewhere, as it will make it very easy to keep getting the same results. Once you have your ratio, you can grab up the 36ml/mg product and achieve the desired effect/recipe. I suggest getting one of the many free Ejuice calculator programs at that point, which will help let you know how much DIY WTA to add to your tank to hit your target. A measuring syringe will be kinda necessary at this stage. Good luck.

 

[baphomet68]

I love this product; and I am a huge fan of this manufacturer, in particular. Just by luck, these guys were the first manufacturer of WTA that I tried - they were the only guys who had the plain WTA in stock when I got around to placing my first order. I have since tried out the other available options, at least all of the plain WTA choices - and in one case, their limited NET/WTA offering. I found Aroma WTA to be in the same class, not the EXACT same taste, but very very close; but the price and availability leave something to be desired compared to Wholecig. The remaining competitor is not really in the same class, in my opinion.
I particularly like the DIY 36MG/ML option. I wind up diluting a portion of mine down to 18 or 22 mg/ml, for dripping on its own. The rest gets added into recipes - the high strength allows me to add WTA without messing with the flavors I am aiming at, or having to monkey around with familiar, established recipe's that I like. I think many folks use it this way, or as an additive to pre-made juices - the strength allows you to add a smaller amount, avoiding diluting the flavor of the primary eliquid. I have been very happy with the service provided by this business, as well. I have had questions answered quickly, and so long as my ordered item was in stock, my orders have shipped rapidly.

 

[Rossum]

Given that the FDA's proposed Deeming Regs are almost a year old now and we're likely to see final regs this year, maybe we should be discussing the shelf life of WTA?

Should we be freezing it?

 

[jfresh]

So, rinstarangel, I would suggest purchasing the "15ml WholeCig WTA e-Liquid" in the 12mg/ml strength option for the use you describe, and adding .5 (1/2) ML to your tank when you refill it vas a starting point. The normal WTA is a VG eliquid, which is a sweet flavor naturally, and the WTA has a further sweet flavor of its own. I would try the regular WTA, and if it is not sweet enough, then go on and give "touch of sweet" a try.
I suggest dialing in the ratio using the 12mg/ml product, and perhaps grab up a measuring syringe off Ebay or somewhere, as it will make it very easy to keep getting the same results. Once you have your ratio, you can grab up the 36ml/mg product and achieve the desired effect/recipe. I suggest getting one of the many free Ejuice calculator programs at that point, which will help let you know how much DIY WTA to add to your tank to hit your target. A measuring syringe will be kinda necessary at this stage. Good luck.

Thanks so much for answering this. I've been crazy busy and not on here much. Also, you know more about mixing, certainly, than I. I mix our basic formulations, but vape unflavored, and haven't ever mixed in such small amounts. Thanks for the kind words as well.

 

[jfresh]

Given that the FDA's proposed Deeming Regs are almost a year old now and we're likely to see final regs this year, maybe we should be discussing the shelf life of WTA?

Should we be freezing it?

I would not freeze. Refrigerate, yes. Can't pin down the exact memory, but I read something that convinced me freezing is not a good idea. Hard to get exact shelf life, but it being vg only certainly helps. Also, flavors tend to "go bad" before the actives do, so if you're talking unflavored...I'd be comfortable with semi-officially claiming 6 months...but that isn't to say a bottle a year old would necessarily have any problems...kept out of light and at cool temps, that is.
as far as regs go...well, let's just say I admire and agree with the quotation in your signature.

 

[Rossum]

Yup, I'm talking (primarily) about your unflavored WTA. I've got a quite a bit of regular 100mg nic base in the freezer, but for some reason, I've never put any of my stock of WTA there, and I'm thinking about adding to that stock.

FWIW, my entire stock of WholeCig products is over a year old and it's all still quite vapable. But if/when the FDA gets their way with us, a year's supply of anything will seem like very little.

 

[jfresh]

Yup, I'm talking (primarily) about your unflavored WTA. I've got a quite a bit of regular 100mg nic base in the freezer, but for some reason, I've never put any of my stock of WTA there, and I'm thinking about adding to that stock.

FWIW, my entire stock of WholeCig products is over a year old and it's all still quite vapable. But if/when the FDA gets their way with us, a year's supply of anything will seem like very little.

Glad it's lasted so well. I've been slowly entering the wholesale arena...one reason I've been so busy. If they ban online sales, I expect we'll survive. Long time customers shouldn't fret...we have each others emails. Cartels are going to do what they're going to do. Australians used to be my second biggest buyers...till they changed the laws there, so I'm not saying they )(cartels) haven't affected us, but I'll be damned if I'm going to lose any sleep over their corrupt, criminal agenda.

 

[Starlyte2]

I don't think that VG or PG actually become solid in a freezer ... do they?
Also as they have preserving capacities "built in" they should keep quite a time at a cool temperature.
WTA when I used it only hung around for 3 months or so, and always seemed to be as effective at the end of the bottles as at the end.
It really helped me out, at least 2 out of the 3 manufacturers' WTA did. One was oily, and didn't seem at all as good as wholecig's, cloudy too. But there it's nice to vape either as the base for a DIY flavoring job, or on its own, or added to your ADV in quantiy adapted.
It really does work, as I was stressed, chain vaping, ... craving, on 10ml at 20mg a day, and after a week or so of WTA I dropped down, without noticing, to 3ml, then I based the Nic (or rather WTA ) to 12mg.
I was an unbeleiver, rapidly converted. I must admit I was really surprised at the base in my vape consumption, but when you read up on it, I guess it's logic that it works ...

Hope it's as good for you as for me

Happy WTA vapes

That is if we can still buy it I had hassles the last time I bought some, and I dooo miss it often, but it could get even worse
These damned laws are turning into an international anti-vape conspiracy, and it's going to end up, in a few douzens of years, that the interdiction to Vape has killed enough smokers to sue the instigaters.
It's an obligation to go Black Market if you don't want to kill yourself slowly with smoking.
Really maddens me, the cartels so greedy that they prefer us under ground, literally, in a wooden (hermetic evidently!) box!
Be damned, he who invented the money race...

 

[aikanae1]

Well that's interesting. Is there a way to test? I've got some from your early batches that I froze for later. It's probably a year old now if you'd like to know how well it's lasted.

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[Starlyte2]

My problem's that the € has based so much, it's effected the price for me catastrophically!

 

[jfresh]

Well that's interesting. Is there a way to test? I've got some from your early batches that I froze for later. It's probably a year old now if you'd like to know how well it's lasted.

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Thanks! I would very much like to know how it handles being frozen. Can't recall why I came to the conclusion not to freeze...may have been a general hesitation to subject the alkaloids to extreme temps that could potentially cause chemical changes. I did a lot of reading in the early days about alkaloids, it's become a bit of a blur at this point.