Cloud Chasing - Questions

[SunguIarity]

Hi all. Newbie here, while waiting for my first mod, I did some research. I bought a Vamo as my first mod hoping to chase RiP Tripper's results with micro/nano coils. I've heard of subohm but I never understood the craze. Well my question is: what is the specs people are chasing for maximum vapor. You need to heat up a coil to vaporize ejuice. The more you can vaporize time wise the better; am I guessing right? So you need more power and more surface area. So why go subohm, you only go 5 wraps or around there, but then you push 50+ watts (if I recall correctly). So you are sacrificing surface area for more heat for more vapor correct? Also, why dual/quad coil, won't that split your watts between the coils (however increasing surface area)? And then there's microcoil, because their touching you get lower ohms and even more surface area. Why chase lower ohms, why not get a thicker wire for less resistance why stick around 28-32 awg, why not less (smaller awg = thicker wires correct?)? Basically my question is, why do people prefer sub ohm, RiP Trippers made a ton of vapor with a non subohm coil in his video. Isn't ohms whats causing the wires to heat up? So why do people prefer pushing tons of power through a lower resistance wire when 18 watts through a microcoil seems just as effective. Which is the future of cloud chasing one might ask. A coil with tons of surface area and low ohms?

Cheers,
Eric

Edit: Hmm, seems people are assuming I want to build subohm, though I'm confident in my knowledge of battery safety and ohms conversions and using a multimeter. My questions are rather theoretical in an attempt to focus on what has potential and fun builds I should pass up on. Basically... scientifically, what will produce more vapor.

Edit2: I feel like my question is, why Mechanical Mods + Sub-Ohm builds. Why not VV/VW Mods with Low-Ohm micro coil.

 

[Scarey]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1didx2/psa_cloud_chasing_is_dangerous/

 

[abstractcousin]

hey! i had the same question a while back.. you would think that microcoils would do the trick on something like a vamo, but it never works. its the amps that matter sort of. you just need a decent mech mod and at least a 0.7ohm setup with big airholes..

hope this helps

 

[madqatter]

You took the words right out of my mouth, Scarey.

 

[suspectK]

I'm using a 4.3 ohm micro coil. It was a flawless build, so it is functioning much better than one would think....Obviously it's working perfect for me...I would've changed it by now if it wasn't. I personally don't see the point in subohm when you can use a kick/regulated PV, but that is just me. ..obviously.

 

[SunguIarity]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1didx2/psa_cloud_chasing_is_dangerous/

Ahh yes, came across this post as well. Thanks.

 

[Ranic85]

low ohms are dangerous anything below 1.5ohms will instantly melt your face! Don't ever do it, DANGER! It doesn't matter if you have Sony 30 Amp batteries! Subohm will still blow your face off and thus get vaping banned for all eternity!

 

[suspectK]

low ohms are dangerous anything below 1.5ohms will instantly melt your face! Don't ever do it, DANGER! It doesn't matter if you have Sony 30 Amp batteries! Subohm will still blow your face off and thus get vaping banned for all eternity!

I don't remember seeing you around ecf, so I'm classifying you as a troll..or at least you don't know what you're talking about.

If your face melts off because you don't know the pulse and continuous ratings of your battery, your face is still "melting" off, regardless of your resistance.

 

[Ranic85]

I don't remember seeing you around ecf, so I'm classifying you as a troll..or at least you don't know what you're talking about.

I am more of an ogre! The ones in a JR Tolkien Novel, covered in warts and scaly skin!

 

[vicflo]

low ohms are dangerous anything below 1.5ohms will instantly melt your face! Don't ever do it, DANGER! It doesn't matter if you have Sony 30 Amp batteries! Subohm will still blow your face off and thus get vaping banned for all eternity!

spreading around slander like this that many people will most likely read, is a bigger threat to vaping than you think... even if you are just trying to be sarcastic or actually being serious.

 

[Rickajho]

Cutting to the chase: If you plan on using your Vamo you can't do it anyway. It has automatic detection and shutoff for any device that meters lower than 1.2 ohms.

 

[Baditude]

Cutting to the chase: If you plan on using your Vamo you can't do it anyway. It has automatic detection and shutoff for any device that meters lower than 1.2 ohms.

Exactly. This is the reason that mechanical mods have had a surge in popularity in the last year. With no built-in protective circuitry which regulated mods have, they can bypass said protection by building sub ohm coils.

But using sub ohm coils requires massive amounts of power amperage which many batteries can't do safely. Therefore, this is where knowledge of your battery's specifications and limitations are, using a multimeter to know exactly what resistance your coil is, and knowing how to use Ohm's Law...all works together to use sub ohms safely. If you are not doing any of the above, you have no business attempting sub ohms.

 

[SunguIarity]

Cutting to the chase: If you plan on using your Vamo you can't do it anyway. It has automatic detection and shutoff for any device that meters lower than 1.2 ohms.

Ahh yes, well aware of vv/vw limitations. Wasn't planning on subliming on my vamo. Thanks though.

Exactly. This is the reason that mechanical mods have had a surge in popularity in the last year. With no built-in protective circuitry which regulated mods have, they can bypass said protection by building sub ohm coils.

But using sub ohm coils requires massive amounts of power amperage which many batteries can't do safely. Therefore, this is where knowledge of your battery's specifications and limitations are, using a multimeter to know exactly what resistance your coil is, and knowing how to use Ohm's Law...all works together to use sub ohms safely. If you are not doing any of the above, you have no business attempting sub ohms.

Ahh yes, well aware of battery safety. However that wasn't really my question. Thanks though.

 

[The Ocelot]

Edited:

Image not in good taste or necessary to get the point across....

Uno

 

[The Ocelot]

Ahh yes, well aware of vv/vw limitations. Wasn't planning on subliming on my vamo. Thanks though.



Ahh yes, well aware of battery safety. However that wasn't really my question. Thanks though.

There's a sub-forum for people interested in sub things. It's in the Assorted PV Topics section, Rebuildable sub-section. One more post here in the new members forum and you can post questions there. You will likely get a more useful response.

 

[ericm12121977]

OK, here comes the sarcastic side of me. Good luck chasing those clouds. Please have fun doing it and try not to go beyond your skill.

Look mommy! I'm special, I was told by you that I am special. Now I have to show the world that I am special! Look at me everyone! I can blow huge plumes of vapor and make myself look like a choo-choo train!

 

[SunguIarity]

There's a sub-forum for people interested in sub things. It's in the Assorted PV Topics section, Rebuildable sub-section. One more post here in the new members forum and you can post questions there. You will likely get a more useful response.

Alright thanks, for some reason everything but my questions got answered. O well.

 

[IMFire3605]

Well, I'll put my 2 cents in.

I understand what you are saying in your OP. Why sub-ohm if you can get similar, same, or better performance out of a micro or even nano coil at Low (1.2-1.8) ohms, Standard (2.0-2.5), or high (2.5+) Resistance. RipTripper has some interesting builds, I'll give him that, a lot of what I do with my Kanger Bottom Coils are based off of his stuff. I may not produce the same vapor output, but I am not looking to fog up a room all the time, yes nice to every once in a while blow a cloud that can obscure you from site for a few moments, but that is not what I am wanting full time from vaping.

I have 2 Mechanicals to date, a Magneto and a Natural, these are for 2 purposes, building coils mainly pulsing the coil without worry of multi-button press shutoff/turnon features of the regulated devices, and to drip on with my Octopus and Igo-L drippers. My other devices, SVD, MVP V1 and V2, iTaste VV V3, and my Ego batteries can not handle, or are not rated for anything below a 1.2 ohm coil, so my RDAs are all above 1.2, Octopus (1.43), Igo-L (1.26). My Kanger heads all above 1.8, all of my vaporizing attachments up above the limit of 1.0 I personally place on myself as a continuous use device, not to say I haven't built a sub-ohm.

Tonight myself, more into micro-coil builds, and another vaper who is also into tinkering, though he is sub-ohm himself, we tinkered around at a local vape shop, we do this regularly banging ideas off the other as a whiteboard, built a Protank 1 sub-ohm nano-coil head, (32 gauge, 3/2 wrap, 24 gauge needle diameter, cotton ball wick) 0.92ohms. Fun little project to do, needless to say the PT1 chosen for its natural air draw, getting 4x the vapor production, taste, and not that bad a throat hit compared to a stock PT1 head. The head works flawlessly, using all of the PT1's strengths and weaknesses, airy draw for the right airflow, could use more but was well adequate, air flow control we started at half open all the way up to stock air flow, got better as she was opened up further and further, as continued to be used, the warmer the tank got like any Protank (v1 or v2), better the juice flowed, more flavor, better vapor production. Might bump up the coil diameter to 20 gauge, using 30 or 28 gauge wire and more wraps get it to about 0.7ish or so, then see what a 1.2 or higher, see how it performs, but the capillary action (wicking) was astounding to see, 1/4 tank gone in 5 minutes of testing. Just have to do the math, and keep safety in mind, you don't have to go sub-ohm, but in the test the PT1 was on my Natural, fully charged MNKE 18650 with a fuse on the negative terminal.

However, I still like my Low to Standard Resistance micro-coil builds for my day to day Kanger heads, and basic 5/4 wrap on my RDAs, they do what I want them to do, low throat hit, decent vapor output, twice to 3x the performance of a stock Kanger head, great flavor, delivering my nicotine.

What keeps you off stinkies, gives you your TH, vapor, and nicotine regulated, and happy, that is where you need to be, doesn't matter if it is at sub-ohm on a mech, or low resistance and higher on a regulated device, what works for you is what works, don't get talked into "Oh you need to be doing this or you are not doing it right", not every formula works for every vaper

 

[The Ocelot]

cancelled post, it's irrelevant now.

 

[Baditude]

Edit: Hmm, seems people are assuming I want to build subohm, though I'm confident in my knowledge of battery safety and ohms conversions and using a multimeter. My questions are rather theoretical in an attempt to focus on what has potential and fun builds I should pass up on. Basically... scientifically, what will produce more vapor.

Theoretically, vapor production has to do with the type of e-liquid (100% Vg = more vapor), higher voltage (high amperage = more vapor), total surface area of the coil (more is better), wick material (more juice to the coil = more vapor), and air flow (more airflow = more vapor). The best combination of all of these factors will make the most vapor.

As to which particular builds allow for this, you will have to do your own research. Cloud chasing is not my thing.