CNN has an opinion peice up with the Standard BS tonight

[Anybody]

http ://www .cnn. com/2014/01/06/opinion/wimmer-ecigarette-danger/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Needs more comments by the good guys

 

[Rosenec]

Link is broken

 

[AegisPrime]

...? That bogus CDC report has been spun to be two million kids now???

"possible benefits and definite harms"

OMG - that's one of the most vile pieces of anti-e-cig propaganda I've seen... *speechless*

 

[Anybody]

Yes, it is deliberately broken to prevent search engines from linking through ECF to garbage such as what that link points to. take out the spaces in front of http www and cnn. and it works fine.

 

[Vocalek]

Yes, it is deliberately broken to prevent search engines from linking through ECF to garbage such as what that link points to. take out the spaces in front of http www and cnn. and it works fine.

Multiple spaces are over-kill and just make it more difficult for those who want to go look at the article to get there. Sometimes it is difficult to spot where the spaces have been entered. A lot depends on the font and even the display resolution (text at 480 x 480 is huge compared with text at 1440 x 900 pixels) on the user's end. Spaces that look obvious on your display might be damn near invisible on somebody else's display.

What is equally effective for breaking links is to simply insert a carriage return (press the Enter key) anywhere in the middle of the URL

Then all your reader needs to do to follow the link is to copy BOTH lines of text and paste into the address field of their browser. The browser autoMAGICly removes the carriage return for them and the entire URL appears on a single line. Easy Peasy.

 

[BigFatDan]

I replied with this.

"I was going to go "all out" and show that every ingredient in e-liquid
was safe (except for artificial flavorings which have yet to be tested
properly) However, I'll just blow their minds with some facts about
nicotine.

An eCig's vapor contains Propylene-Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Artificial Flavorings and Nicotine.

Now
let me start by saying that NORMAL cigarettes contain thousands and
thousands of chemicals known to be carcinogens. However nicotine is not
one of them.

Nicotine interacts with cell membranes in such a way as to ease the
passage of certain ions through the membrane. This aids in, among other
things, the communication between synapses in your brain, increasing
cognitive functions.

- (source) - Nicotine as a cogn... [Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI

Courtesy of myself for doing ~30 minutes of research.

HOLY SH#T. I just read the article.

"In 2009, lab tests
conducted by the FDA found detectable levels of toxic cancer-causing
chemicals -- including an ingredient used in anti-freeze -- in two
leading brands of e-cigarettes and 18 various e-cigarette cartridges."

That's PROPYLENE GLYCOL, good sir. That angers me deeply, because look what the FDA said over here.


* According to the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
“Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950
and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air
disinfectants.” This same document states “there is a reasonable
certainty of no harm for infants and children.”

(source: http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf)

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* The Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry also
thinks that PG is perfectly fine: “In contrast to ethylene glycol, a
potent cause of acute toxicity in humans, propylene glycol is a ‘generally recognized as safe‘
additive for foods and medications. Propylene glycol rarely causes
toxic effects, and then only under very unusual circumstances.”

(source: Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol Toxicity: What is Propylene Glycol | ATSDR - Environmental Medicine & Environmental Health Education - CSEM)
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This piece in the Journal of Aerosol Medicine
shows that PG is safe for delivering a drug known as cyclosporine to
lung transplant patients. (Hey – if it’s safe enough for lung transplant
patients, you’d think it would be safe enough for e-cigs.)

(source: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie)
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*According to DOW,
the #1 provider of propylene glyocl, PG is OK for the environment: “PG
is not expected to bio-accumulate and is considered to be practically
non-toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates on an acute basis except at
very high concentrations.”

* 18% of the total propylene glycol DOW produces for the United States is used in food, drugs and cosmetics.

(source: Propylene Glycol)

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Wow guys, I don't know about you, but the DOW but 18% of this CARCINOGEN is going into my food AND MY MAKEUP?

Hahahahahahahahah."

Will probably not pass moderation.

 

[Bill Godshall]

There are already more than 2,300 comments posted on this CNN/ALA/CDC editorial lying about e-cigs, with the vast majority posted by vapers criticizing the false and misleading claims.

 

[tonyph]

Been commenting on there all day, but the thraed is insane. It needs people to put the odd reasoned response in. You may be accuced of astroturfing for Big T when you do though.

 

[Uma]

There's a new one claiming that nicotine is on the EPA carcenogens list in ca because of a Denmark study over pg women wearing the patch or chewing gum. I found the ca listing it, but can't find the study or it's rebuttals. Surely sounds lobbied to me. In light of Chantix's campaign....
So, with my thoughts laid out, I ask you for your thoughts on what to say about it.

Like Bill says, it's been crazy! It's slowed down today, unlike last nights 50 comments per post, but it's still impossible to keep up with. 25 new comments above, 5 new comments below, ..
THREE CHEERS TO THE TROOPERS!!! They've been awesome!!
This is a thread we will need to keep an eye on throughout the months ahead, due to all the last word attention seekers. Where is there common sense & integrity???

Ps. Some of the posts disappear. I've responded to one post at least 3x's, it posts, & then disappears.
(I can understand how my blueberry waffles vapor would disturb you at iHops, or my BBQ ribs at the BBQ joint. You got me on that one).

 

[Kent C]

There's a new one claiming that nicotine is on the EPA carcenogens list in ca because of a Denmark study over pg women wearing the patch or chewing gum. I found the ca listing it, but can't find the study or it's rebuttals.

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/documentStore/a/v/r/avr91g00/Savr91g00.pdf

If they use this, then they can't use the "second hand smoke" theory ("Our results showed no increase in congenital malformations related to prenatal tobacco smoking" - actually no effect from mainstream smoke.)

And this was for only certain 'nicotine substitutes' patches and gum, not inhalation. And the standard caveat: "This finding needs to be replicated in other data sources." That was a 2006 study - and no sign of a follow-up.

 

[Vocalek]

Wow. There are nearly 2500 comments now, and Dr. Phillips has written a blog post about the lies: Follow-up on the worst anti-THR liars of 2013: WHO and ALA’s Harold Wimmer are truly champion liars | Anti-THR Lies and related topics'