Coil/ejuice consumption help

[Eskie]

The comment about Dry burning works but don't Dry burn Nickel or Titanium coils.

Thank you. That should always be clarified when discussing dry burning.

 

[KenD]

I get about 3 months on each coil.

Building higher resistance will cut juice consumption

The comment about Dry burning works but don't Dry burn Nickel or Titanium coils.

Technically, vaping at a lower wattage cuts liquid consumption. Sure, lower resistance coils commonly require higher wattage but that's not always the case.

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[Houndstooth]

This was some great information. When I posted I was still trying to evaluate the expenditure on ejuice nevermind the macro expenditure of this switch. Ideally, when this is all sorted out it will be considerably less than $67 cartons of American Spirits. My current miserly nature is likely amplified for me because both the gfriend and I have ditched the stix for this.

I didn't realize there were cheaper juice options like V3 for example. I am running 6mg juice (low for a pack/day habit), but don't find myself hunting for a fix ever. A friend of a friend who helped me explore this initially kept suggesting 6mg or less was best. It escapes me as to why though I think he stated flavor. I was uncertain if our consumption was high so that clarification is bueno. Boy, it sure seems like an RTA is beckoning me. That said I reviewed the various options suggested here. This is not a pro/con list below and rather factors that stuck out to me:

Aromamizer V2:
23mm - (won't fit Pico)

Haze Dripper RTDA:
Too advanced, finicky, no glass tank it seems

Merlin Mini:
23mm (won't fit Pico)

UD Bellus:
Dual or Single Coil, MTL or DTL, No Drain coil change

Geekvape Griffen:
Super thirsty, finicky, leak prone

Kayfun Lite V2:
MTL ideal, dated :dunno:


All in all the UD Bellus strikes me as a really good fit and I like the option for single or dual coil. I keep hearing it's fragile though. Otherwise, and not suggested by anyone here I'm wondering about the Cleito RTA. I realize it will be thirstier with the dual coils. I'm also hearing that they're highly regarded staples. Thoughts? Care to weigh in?

 

[Gramdogg]

This was some great information. When I posted I was still trying to evaluate the expenditure on ejuice nevermind the macro expenditure of this switch. Ideally, when this is all sorted out it will be considerably less than $67 cartons of American Spirits. My current miserly nature is likely amplified for me because both the gfriend and I have ditched the stix for this.

I didn't realize there were cheaper juice options like V3 for example. I am running 6mg juice (low for a pack/day habit), but don't find myself hunting for a fix ever. A friend of a friend who helped me explore this initially kept suggesting 6mg or less was best. It escapes me as to why though I think he stated flavor. I was uncertain if our consumption was high so that clarification is bueno. Did not know I could clean the factory coils either. Boy, it sure seems like an RTA is beckoning me. That said I reviewed the various options suggested here. This is not a pro/con list below and rather factors that stuck out to me:

Aromamizer V2:
23mm - (won't fit Pico)

Haze Dripper RTDA:
Too advanced, finicky, no glass tank it seems

Merlin Mini:
23mm (won't fit Pico)

UD Bellus:
Dual or Single Coil, MTL or DTL, No Drain coil change

Geekvape Griffen:
Super thirsty, finicky, leak prone

Kayfun Lite V2:
MTL ideal, dated :dunno:


All in all the UD Bellus strikes me as a really good fit and I like the option for single or dual coil. I keep hearing it's fragile though. Otherwise, and not suggested by anyone here I'm wondering about the Cleito RTA. I realize it will be thirstier with the dual coils. I'm also hearing that they're highly regarded staples. Thoughts? Care to weigh in?

UD Bellus you'll see alot of "it leaks" posts. Just poor wicking experience. Once you do it right you'll know how to do it, needs to just be anywhere between the lip and bottom. If its to much on bottom won't wick effectively. If it's to close to the top notch it'll leak a little when you fill it. I never built or wicked an RTA in my life when I got it and only had 1 leak so far. 23mm fits the Pico I'm pretty sure. The Merlin and Merlin mini have a plug to switch from MTL to DTL. Not sure about Bellus being fragile, other then the glass it looks pretty solid

 

[Houndstooth]

You're correct. 23mm will just barely fit so I'll have to review those RTAs too. Thx.

 

[Two_Bears]

Most of my atty's are dual coiled. I need a lot of vapor to chase those darn mozi's away when sitting out back vaping.

Try high VG Juice and you will get more vapor.

Last summer i was at a meeting with several other vapers they saw the amount of vapor i was putting out. Many of them using dual coil attys at 40 watts tgey asked about my resistance and power level. You could have pushed them over with a feather when they saw. 8 ohm resistance at 12 watts. They kept muttering "it just isnt possible" then I removed the Atty showing them I was using a lowly Kayfun with a single coil.

 

[Two_Bears]

UD Bellus you'll see alot of "it leaks" posts. Just poor wicking experience. Once you do it right you'll know how to do it, needs to just be anywhere between the lip and bottom. If its to much on bottom won't wick effectively. If it's to close to the top notch it'll leak a little when you fill it. I never built or wicked an RTA in my life when I got it and only had 1 leak so far. 23mm fits the Pico I'm pretty sure. The Merlin and Merlin mini have a plug to switch from MTL to DTL. Not sure about Bellus being fragile, other then the glass it looks pretty solid

Well i have been vaping a long time been rebuilding since my days of using the Sub Tank Nano and building the OCC heads.

I have built the Goblin Mini abd Silverplay Nano without a single leak, and one reviewer said the GMini "Leaks like a _____" if not Wicked correctly.

I had an authentic Bellus and it leaked lime a _____. The problem was not the wicking.

The problem was THERE IS NO KNURLING on THE TOP FILL. So yoy can't get a good grip to get an air tight seal on the Bellus. No airtight seal = NO vacuum. Use 1/3-1/2 Tank and tge Atty floods and the Juice POURS out the airflow.

I wish UD had put the Design for the Bellus under 100 feet of solid concrete!

PITIFUL DESIGN!

 

[Two_Bears]

Thank you. That should always be clarified when discussing dry burning.

Exactly!

Some coils are safe to Dry burn. Nickel abd Titanium oxides can be dangerous.

They are fine at 600 degrees and below. But a glowing coil is at least 800 degrees Fahrenheit if memory serves.

 

[Two_Bears]

This was some great information. When I posted I was still trying to evaluate the expenditure on ejuice nevermind the macro expenditure of this switch. Ideally, when this is all sorted out it will be considerably less than $67 cartons of American Spirits. My current miserly nature is likely amplified for me because both the gfriend and I have ditched the stix for this.

I didn't realize there were cheaper juice options like V3 for example. I am running 6mg juice (low for a pack/day habit), but don't find myself hunting for a fix ever. A friend of a friend who helped me explore this initially kept suggesting 6mg or less was best. It escapes me as to why though I think he stated flavor. I was uncertain if our consumption was high so that clarification is bueno. Boy, it sure seems like an RTA is beckoning me. That said I reviewed the various options suggested here. This is not a pro/con list below and rather factors that stuck out to me:

Aromamizer V2:
23mm - (won't fit Pico)

Haze Dripper RTDA:
Too advanced, finicky, no glass tank it seems

Merlin Mini:
23mm (won't fit Pico)

UD Bellus:
Dual or Single Coil, MTL or DTL, No Drain coil change

Geekvape Griffen:
Super thirsty, finicky, leak prone

Kayfun Lite V2:
MTL ideal, dated :dunno:


All in all the UD Bellus strikes me as a really good fit and I like the option for single or dual coil. I keep hearing it's fragile though. Otherwise, and not suggested by anyone here I'm wondering about the Cleito RTA. I realize it will be thirstier with the dual coils. I'm also hearing that they're highly regarded staples. Thoughts? Care to weigh in?

I have used several 23 mm attys on my Pico. Even the 24 mm Deadmodz v2 would screw part way into the Pico. Not enough to make contact tho.

If you are frugally minded switch to an RTA and learn to rebuild, then learn to DIY your Juice.

A .8 ohm Kanthal coil on my Kayfun costs 1.5-2 cents. Lasts about three months.

When i used nicotine a 30 ml bottle of DIY juice cost me $1.36 to make if you can vape unflavored the Cost will be less.

 

[Two_Bears]

Technically, vaping at a lower wattage cuts liquid consumption. Sure, lower resistance coils commonly require higher wattage but that's not always the case.

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Well when i used The subtank Nano i had to Refill it Twice a day (8-9 mls Juice. Using 12-15 watts.

I went to the Goblin Mini built to .8 ohms lowered my wattage for a cooler vape i like and my Juice consumption dropped.

My GMini chimney threads stripped went to tge TINY Kayfun in my Avatar and lowered the wattage to 8-10 watts depending on flavor. I vape as much as i ever did and now my Juice consumption is only 3-4 mls a day less than half tge Juice consumption i was using 18 months ago. I like a LOT of vapor so i went to a higher VG ratio (usually 70-80%). I DIY my Juice so higher VG ratios are NO problem.

 

[Gramdogg]

Sounds like the top gasket was ruined or you got a clone. Never had that problem with mine. It came with a extra gasket for the top fill maybe try that. Zero leaking on mine, I don't even get the condensation on the air flow people talk about. Not every one is made perfect so maybe you just got a bad one like the guy with the leaking Goblin. Usually user error though, even if its not sealed there is no place for the juice to leak out of unless your not using enough cotton so not sure how you got it to do that if it was wicked properly.

 

[Gramdogg]

I just took the top off mine and sucked on it... zero leaks lol. Wicking issue for sure.

 

[Gramdogg]

Well when i used The subtank Nano i had to Refill it Twice a day (8-9 mls Juice. Using 12-15 watts.

I went to the Goblin Mini built to .8 ohms lowered my wattage for a cooler vape i like and my Juice consumption dropped.

My GMini chimney threads stripped went to tge TINY Kayfun in my Avatar and lowered the wattage to 8-10 watts depending on flavor. I vape as much as i ever did and now my Juice consumption is only 3-4 mls a day less than half tge Juice consumption i was using 18 months ago. I like a LOT of vapor so i went to a higher VG ratio (usually 70-80%). I DIY my Juice so higher VG ratios are NO problem.

Technically, vaping at a lower wattage cuts liquid consumption. Sure, lower resistance coils commonly require higher wattage but that's not always the case.

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Ken D is correct juice consumption is based on surface area and heat not ohms and watts. You can get your old warm vape back with less watts by using 1 less wrap which will lower your ohms and surface area for less juice consumption. Good example 5 wrap 24 awg will be 0.427, 7 wrap 26 awg will be 0.876 and the mw/mm2 per watt are about the same so at the same wattage and less then half the ohms. Both have 2.5mm surface area as well so juice consumption should be almost identical, 24awg would be 10.31 mw/mm2 and 26awg 10.09 mw/mm2.

 

[Houndstooth]

So, after more reaserching and the above correction(23mm) am really leaning towards a compact tank akin to the compact Pico. Coming down to the Merlin Mini (single coil option) and the Aromamizer V2 RDTA (3ml tank).

 

[Two_Bears]

Ken D is correct juice consumption is based on surface area and heat not ohms and watts. You can get your old warm vape back with less watts by using 1 less wrap which will lower your ohms and surface area for less juice consumption. Good example 5 wrap 24 awg will be 0.427, 7 wrap 26 awg will be 0.876 and the mw/mm2 per watt are about the same so at the same wattage and less then half the ohms. Both have 2.5mm surface area as well so juice consumption should be almost identical, 24awg would be 10.31 mw/mm2 and 26awg 10.09 mw/mm2.

Not completely correct. Lower Ohm coils get a LOT hotter than super low ohm coils.

 

[Gramdogg]

So, after more reaserching and the above correction(23mm) am really leaning towards a compact tank akin to the compact Pico. Coming down to the Merlin Mini (single coil option) and the Aromamizer V2 RDTA (3ml tank).

The Aromamizer and Bellus are alot alike. Aromamizer has the better build deck but no single coil option. All dual coil is for is clouds really at the cost of juice, cotton, wire, watts and battery life. If you chain vape you really need a 2+ battery mod or you'll be changing and charging batterys everyday. If you want to use dual crazy coils you'll be using 60+ watts easy.

 

[Two_Bears]

The Aromamizer and Bellus are alot alike. Aromamizer has the better build deck but no single coil option. All dual coil is for is clouds really at the cost of juice, cotton, wire, watts and battery life. If you chain vape you really need a 2+ battery mod or you'll be changing and charging batterys everyday. If you want to use dual crazy coils you'll be using 60+ watts easy.

Agree 100% with above dual coils uses a bit more than Twice the energy of a single coil. Uses Twice as much Juice and only gives about 20% more vapor of a single coil.

I get larger than average clouds with

Single coil at 8-10 watts, using a .8 ohm coil on the tiny Kayfun in my Avatar.

Tge secret to larger clouds is a high VG Juice.

I DIY my Juice and have it 70-80% VG.

 

[Gramdogg]

Not completely correct. Lower Ohm coils get a LOT hotter than super low ohm coils.

Ohm's have nothing to do with it at all. SS is way lower ohm the nichrome. Same awg, wraps and watts the Nichrome at higher ohm is much warmer then super low ohm SS.

 

[Two_Bears]

Ohm's have nothing to do with it at all. SS is way lower ohm the nichrome. Same awg, wraps and watts the Nichrome at higher ohm is much warmer then super low ohm SS.

Will have to agree to disagree. I don't use SS. Hard to go there when i have about 500 feet 26 gauge Kanthal, 50-75 feet 28 gauge Kanthal, and about 99 feet 25 gauge Kanthal.

I cut my Juice consumption by almost 60% by going from .5 ohms to .8 ohms, and cutting my wattage by 33%.

 

[Gramdogg]

Will have to agree to disagree. I don't use SS. Hard to go there when i have about 500 feet 26 gauge Kanthal, 50-75 feet 28 gauge Kanthal, and about 99 feet 25 gauge Kanthal.

I cut my Juice consumption by almost 60% by going from .5 ohms to .8 ohms, and cutting my wattage by 33%.

Agree 100% with above dual coils uses a bit more than Twice the energy of a single coil. Uses Twice as much Juice and only gives about 20% more vapor of a single coil.

I get larger than average clouds with

Single coil at 8-10 watts, using a .8 ohm coil on the tiny Kayfun in my Avatar.

Tge secret to larger clouds is a high VG Juice.

I DIY my Juice and have it 70-80% VG.

Whats the awg, wire, wraps and ID are the 0.8 Ohm? These are what determine what heat per watt and surface area they are. See what I mean now? Just saying your ohms and watts don't tell us nothing about surface area and heat.