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[MarkSkylark]

GeekVape Flint MTL Starter Kit

Great prices at this site, $25.99 versus $39.90 direct from GeekVape. It's also $39.90 on fasttech. Unfortunately VapeWild is all sold out of them. I see them in stock for $28.99 at GeekVape Flint Portable MTL Starter Kit
and in the options I see Napa Nectar Nicotine Salt e-Liquids at 30mg and 50mg! Wow, I never knew juice went that high. Is this mango flavor any good, or is there a better 50mg Salt eliquid anyone would recommend? Could 50mg be too strong, or is the stronger the better to make a smoker forget about analogs? Would 50mg be ok with the Flint MTL's 1.6ohm coil and most restricted airflow setting for a 2 pack a day smoker? And how does the Flint MTL compare to the Vappresso Sky starter kit or the Vaporesso Drizzle? This review has bad things to say about the Drizzle Fit, but I'm not sure how much it shares in common with the Drizzle?

For me, The Aegis mini looks great, but I think I would rather avoid an integrated battery. Is it wise to go with a (segregated?) battery so the device isn't lost when/if the battery goes bad or is that not much of a concern for an infrequent vaper? I would probably get this charger and these Samsung 20s and know to only buy from eBay sellers with high number of reviews and 99%+ rating. I can't seem to find a site with better prices than that after shipping.


I could get the Aegis Legend kit on VapeWild for the same price as the Solo direct from GeekVape. 200w Legend versus 100w Solo versus 80w Mini. Would that extra 100-120w provide much benefit? I work with someone who has a dual 18650 mod and he only runs 70w. At that wattage the 2nd 18650 is only extending time between charges, correct? However, he is a regular all-day vaper, and my intention is only to occasionally produce James Bond style smoke (vapor) screens large enough to disappear behind. Would I need over 100w to get there? If not, I think I will wait for the Aegis Solo to show up at VapeWild as their prices seem to be the best anywhere and it's listed as Coming Soon, or just get the Aegis Mini.

EDIT: What's this I'm reading on Blue Dot's website...
"unfortunately must temporarily suspend our Nic-Salts line, pending investigation and resolution of the FDA demands."
What are the current legal restrictions on Nic-Salts in the US?

 

[Mordacai]

Both Drizzle kits have some limited power adjustment, here's a link for Drizzle fit.
Drizzle Fit Kit » Vaporesso

And don't take what reviewers say as gospel, there only human. The one in the review you linked who gave the Drizzle a bashing didn't even know that there was any adjustment on the fit kit and is also a DTL vaper. So probably doesn't either like or understand MTL vaping.

And yes MarkSkylark, with removable batteries you don't have to replace everything when the battery or batteries near the end of their lifespan. You just dispose of them properly and replace.

And, no. You don't need massive amounts of watts for decent vapour production. Capacity is what you may need more though, as more vapour uses more mAh. So you may consider single 21700 battery mods, as if I remember correctly Samsung 40T is approx 4000mAh.

But if you're low power, high ohm, MTL vaping you can sacrifice CDR (Constant Discharge Rate), which is the amount of amps that a battery can constantly provide. For lower CDR and increased mAh capacity.

And most importantly, don't buy from Ebay! If you're US based, lots of members can provide you with plenty of reputable sellers to buy from. After all, you don't want to end up burnt in more ways than one.

 

[gerrymi]

If they continue to use the pod system and they want more, then you can get them a more powerful mod.

Mark...for your friends...who, as cigarette smokers, will most definitely want to start out with a MTL device...(since that's the way that smokers...smoke)…

How about a Justfog Minifit…

NO adjustments...just a Fire Button...

About the size of a USB Flash Drive...about $10...very satisfying MTL experience...

Only 1.5ml. and 370 mAh...but the juice in the Pod runs out about the same time as the juice in the battery runs out...so they can easily refill it while they're quickly recharging it...

Vapecrawler

I can't seem to find a site with better prices than that after shipping.

Once you decide on a DL device (for yourself)...I'd start here: Vapecrawler


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[Mordacai]

Minifit is not too good with flavour and for the price of 3 pods you can get 5 Drizzle coils. Plastic could be an issue with some flavours and there's no airflow adjustment. So it can't be dialled in for preference.

And three power levels for the not technically inclined is easy, as once it's set it's locked.

And checked Elementvape have the black Drizzle (not the Fit version) in stock. Priced at just under 20 USD, so not much more than the tank itself.

And if you're not too prone to dropping things maybe something like the Vaporesso Armour Pro may be of interest to you.

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

Hi and welcome. It's a bit of a roll of the dice when it comes to finding what works for each person, fortunately for me the only vape shop remotley close to me here in wagon wheel land, let me try everything they had. My advice instead of dropping heaps of cash find a sturdy replaceable battery mod 1 or 2 18650 batteries with the ability to adjust watts, I'm pretty sure anything that goes to at least 80 watts will be fine. Now for the atty that's the tricky part, u need to know smoking habbits of each individual before you can go on. For example higher ohm resistance tanks probably would require a higher nic lvl based off volume of vape. I use .25 ohm coils at 80 watts everyone I know that Vapes at this level has about 4 to 6 mg nic. I however am at 22mg nic. It's different for everyone, the point I'm trying to get to is if you really want to get away from cigs u gotta go on your own vape adventures. I'm still on my quest, but I'll tell you what quiting cigarettes and switching to vaping was one of my best decisions,


Me waving at you from the sky

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

hello eartlings

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

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[MarkSkylark]

And, no. You don't need massive amounts of watts for decent vapour production. Capacity is what you may need more though, as more vapour uses more mAh. So you may consider single 21700 battery mods, as if I remember correctly Samsung 40T is approx 4000mAh.

But if you're low power, high ohm, MTL vaping you can sacrifice CDR (Constant Discharge Rate), which is the amount of amps that a battery can constantly provide. For lower CDR and increased mAh capacity.

CDR was my reason for choosing Samsung 20S, it's 30a CDR and 2000mAh. Samsung 40T looks like 35a CDR, and 4000mAh @ 10hr rate. Not sure I need double the capacity since I'd probably only do 3-4 monster clouds at a time then put it up. If you can link me to US retailers of 18650/21700's at prices better than eBay, please do.

How about a Justfog Minifit…

NO adjustments...just a Fire Button...

About the size of a USB Flash Drive...about $10...very satisfying MTL experience...

Only 1.5ml. and 370 mAh...but the juice in the Pod runs out about the same time as the juice in the battery runs out...so they can easily refill it while they're quickly recharging it...

Vapecrawler

I like the price point on this. That's a big factor on getting someone to consider vaping. If the entry point is $50+ they start thinking how many cartons they could buy. And if they do commit to vaping, they can move on to a DTL device without very much lost on the MTL serving as a crutch to get them over the gap. However, I know from experience that variable voltage is probably the most useful feature, and airflow adjustment is nice, too. But maybe those features are best left to when/if they decide to step up to a DTL device. With a 50mg salt juice even this Justfog Minifit should produce enough vapor to get them away cigs. However, I'm not sure about cartridges, and think a tank style like the Flint MTL might be better at surely getting them to cross over from cigs.

Thanks a ton for the Vapecrawler link. This will prove to be most useful.

View attachment 809103 hello eartlings

YES, this is what I'm after. Right now I'm thinking about an Aegis Solo @~70-80w paired with either a FreeMax Mesh Pro tank or Horizontech Falcon Resin. Also considering this mod US Store: Eleaf iStick Pico 21700 100W Kit w/ Ello Tank $22.50 - Cheap Vaping Deals just because of the price point. iStick Pico @ $22.50 + 2x Samsung 40T @ $30 + Mesh Pro @ $24 = $76.50... plus shipping of course

 

[gerrymi]

I like the price point on this. That's a big factor on getting someone to consider vaping. And if they do commit to vaping, they can move on to a DTL device without very much lost on the MTL serving as a crutch to get them over the gap.

You and your 2 friends don't even know if they'll like/enjoy vaping...

So...you start out with a $10+ Justfog Minifit...it vapes just as satisfactorily (for me) as my (favorite) Zenith/Sinuous P80 set-ups...

They like it => stop smoking => then they get a couple more...or move on to a Tank/Mod...

But if they just don't like vaping it and continue to smoke => you're only out a couple bucks...

(As for "moving on to DTL"...I've been enjoying vaping for 5+ and have not once considered trying DTL.)

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[Mordacai]

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Was thinking of Vaporesso Armour Pro for yourself due to being able to use a 21700, so it's able to do MTL and DTL due to battery capacity. As when you start DTL vaping, runtime decreases dramatically. And an 18650 battery just doesn't really cut it then.

But they're a decent mod that does about everything and can be bought in a kit with a tank included cheaper than a Legend.

 

[MarkSkylark]

You and your 2 friends don't even know if they'll like/enjoy vaping...

So...you start out with a $10+ Justfog Minifit...it vapes just as satisfactorily (for me) as my (favorite) Zenith/Sinuous P80 set-ups...

This is very sound reasoning and at $12.73 shipped $12.73 Authentic JUSTFOG MINIFIT 370mAh Starter Kit - 1.5ml / 1.6ohm / PC + zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping I would even consider buying it for them since they have paid me handsomely in the past for things like installing the new/upgraded modem/router that comcast mailed to them. But what do I do about juice? I'm thinking Classic Tobacco by I Love Salts @ 50mg strength. $15.99 shipped I Love Salts Classic Tobacco E-Juice 30ml

Thanks for the links Modrdacai! I see there's a Samsung 21700 40T 2111 rated at 35a, but then Samsung 40T 2112 is only rated at 30a? I wonder why the drop in CDR considering 2112 must be the newer model?

I'll have to do some maths and figuring tomorrow. Thanks for all the help everyone.

 

[Mordacai]

MarkSkylark, @Mooch should be able to clear that up.

I'm sure that folks can give you some information on NET (Naturally Extracted Tobacco) liquids and Nicotine suppliers. Because there's places in the US that you can buy from, @stols001 may know.

 

[stols001]

Aroma eliquid
Umbavapes
Ohm's vapes

Do not buy from Mother's Milk (if it's still around) whatever you do. No real effect and tastes just like wormy dirt.

Anna

 

[gerrymi]

But what do I do about juice? I'm thinking Classic Tobacco by I Love Salts @ 50mg strength. $15.99 shipped I Love Salts Classic Tobacco E-Juice 30ml

After 50+ years of smoking...I've been QUITE satisfied with regular (NOT Salts) nicotine ejuice at 6mg....

(And...as smokers...your friends are probably going to desire some throat hit.)

For flavor and cost...I buy my ejuice from Tobacco E-Juice Flavors - Best Tobacco Vape Juice



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[gerrymi]

Aroma eliquid
Umbavapes
Ohm's vapes

@stols001 ...I gave a pretty long trial to all 3...and now keep about half the tanks in my rotation filled with Umbavapes-WTA...(because of satisfaction and price)…

Have you noticed that the Omvapors site sometimes has GREAT prices for Umbavape WTA ejuices?

Deals and Steals

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[MarkSkylark]

gerry, how long do the Minifit cartridges last you? I mean before the coils burn or start to taste burnt. I saw a video on youtube on how to re-coil the minifit cartridges, bit it looks too complex. I also saw that you can drill out the third air hole, or cover one of the 2 open ones. Have you tried any of that?
I'm pretty set on ordering the Minifit from fasttech for $12.73.
Is it right that I can get 10mL of Blueberry Donut WTA 48mg for $2.99 + 5.99 S&H = $8.98 from OmVapors? Is there any other flavor you would recommend, like Strawberry Ice Cream or Key Lime Cheesecake?

$12.73 Minfit + $8.98 juice = $21.71... I think I could swing that. For +$2.99 I may order 2 different flavors, but don't want to get more juice than the coil will last.

 

[Mordacai]

Don't forget that some flavours don't work well with plastics.

 

[MarkSkylark]

How about a SS unit like this? $8.35 Authentic ECT COS DC 450mAh VV E-Cigarette Starter Kit - 0.5ml / 1.2ohm / 3.3V/3.6V/4.0V / stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping The clear glass is not glass, but plastic, no? Variable voltage, and 4.0v at 1.2ohm should be pretty stout.

 

[gerrymi]

how long do the Minifit cartridges...I saw a video on youtube on how to re-coil the minifit cartridges,

Is it right that I can get 10mL of Blueberry Donut WTA 48mg for $2.99 + 5.99 S&H = $8.98 from OmVapors?

Mark...I've only had my Justfog Minifits for about 6 weeks...but after many refills they're still vaping fine...

However...from what I've read the coils in the Pods last a long time...(3-4 months)…

I'm saving about $14/day by NOT smoking...so, for me, saving about $2 every 3-4 months by trying to learn to re-coil the Pods doesn't make much sense (or cents)…

$2.99/10ml sounds like a GREAT price...but I'm not real familiar with the Omvapors site/pricing...I only go there when they have Umbavape WTA ejuice (my preferred WTA) on SALE...

The Tastemaker Line | Umba Vape

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[MarkSkylark]

hmm, looks like umbavapes has 10ml bottles for $2.99 on their site, but they are conveniently all sold out of them, in every flavor and strength? They also seem to charge a lot more for WTA than freebase. I've read various peoples accounts that salts are best for kicking the stinkies habit. Still leaning towards Omvapor's blueberry donut WTA 48mg salt juice...

Don't forget that some flavours don't work well with plastics.

So what kind of flavors don't work with plastic? I've heard of darker juices, coffee, chocolate, whiskey, even some tobacco flavors causing coils to burn out/dry hit (oxidize?) faster, but never heard of any problems (reacting?) with plastic.