Comments needed - popcorn lung AGAIN!
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I mean, as a man of science I usually prefer not to deal in absolutes, so is it possible, sure, but do I think it's likely, no. It's a particular molecular compound. Whether it's extracted whole from a vat of fruit pulp using chemical reactions in one lab facility, or assembled from constituent molecules using other, different chemical reactions in another lab down the street, in the end it's the same set of atoms arranged in the same fashion. If it were something different, it wouldn't be called "diacetyl," it would be called whatever the name is we use for the molecular compound made from that particular set of atoms arranged in whatever fashion. Now if you want to talk about by-products, or impurities, or contaminants left over from the extraction and/or synthesis operations or what-not, then that's a different story, but if we're talking about the actual diacetyl molecule itself, then no, I don't think it matters what its source is.
Bronchiolitis Obliterans was first diagnosed in people before microwave popcorn was even a thing. There are a myriad of causes, of which diacetyl flavorings are one among many chemical exposures, common and rare, we may or may not be exposed to. As cases are fairly rare, and exposures to high levels of inhaled diacetyls are rare, it becomes really really difficult to state with certainty whether that rare event will happen in some one in a million vaper is even related to their vaping. Rather than paste a ridiculously long list, here's a link to a good collection of possible causes and conditions associated with the illness Bronchiolitis Obliterans (BO; Obliterative Bronchiolitis) | MD Nexus
Saving this for the next time. I also pointed out a few studies like the ROYAL COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS,! Good Lord you think that alone would shut them down.
Last Christmas I went to a Star Wars movie with the famiily. All around me there were people eating popcorn. I tried to warn them. They wouldn't listen. They told me to be quiet.
Whenever someone mentions popcorn lung, just mention that the culprit is at least 100x higher in tobacco smoke than vapor and then ask them how many smokers they've EVER heard of in their lifetime who contracted popcorn lung. That usually shuts them up.
And what about all those 16 year old kids working part time at the refreshments counter in movie theaters dealing with all that popcorn? Isn't this all about saving the children?
What next Number 7 bus is bad for your health , whilst picking up your dropped change from the road the No 7 bus Run you over now lets ban the bus as its bad for your health ,
The sun is bad for your health too
but without it we would all die any way ,
Only solution is to not be born ?
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The sun is bad for your health too
but without it we would all die any way ,
Only solution is to not be born ?
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Ahh... diacetyls and diketones. Those wonderful chemicals created by the rapid, sometimes violent fermentation of the world's best ales.
Lung Creole,lung gumbo, Lung kebabs, lemon lung, coconut lung...Lung soup, lung stew, lung salad, lung and potatoes, lung burger, lung sandwich...that...that's just about it.
The people who spout this nonsense are honestly not the type of people who care about logic or truth. They have one interest and one interest only, and that is to recreate our nation into a communist state. They are the "true believers" and for them there is no cure, as no amount of fact based logic sways their course. For them, it's about convincing readers that there is a desperate need for state control in each and every matter.
The only reason to ever post in threads dealing with the types of causes those desirous of a communist state post in, is not for the poster but for those who might someday read the exchange.
Keep that in mind if your going to post. A few choice, logical, factual, calm arguments and then walk away to allow the other poster to have the last word.. there is never a reason to engage further than that as their goal is to get under your skin and make you loose your temper, do something stupid or say something stupid and loose your credibility to the reader. Walking away early after dropping a few facts is all that is necessary and is the best course of action in these situations, as you keep the upper hand and engage the reader to explore the facts for themselves.
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You forgot liver and lungs! Technically its called liver and lights.
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