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Jaylah

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Dry burning extends it but they all crap out over time.

Yeah, I found that out.. :D

The laying it on it's side is an idea I hadn't thought of either. I do always just lay it down on my night-stand (plugged in) when I sleep, or when I'm not using it. And I don't always top it off before I do that. I'll have to find a way to stand it up when I'm not using it.
 

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Welcome, Jaylah! Reading your post, I felt like I was reading something I might have written a couple months ago; I was so aggravated by all the fiddling and fussing and "buy this, buy that, you really gotta rebuild your coils, etc etc etc"... but I'd been off the cigarettes a little while by then, and really didn't want to go back. So I finally came to a couple of understandings: 1, yes, cigarettes are very easy; easy to use, and easy to die from; you don't have to make any special effort, those cells will mutate all by themselves into cancer without you needing to do anything but keep smoking. 2, if I really wanted to STAY off cigarettes, it behooved me to quit worrying about how much effort it all was, and learn to do it in a way that decreased my irritation level.

I totally understand not wanting to rebuild coils; I fought against it for quite a while, but finally my curiosity got the better of me, and I just *tried* it. It's not really hard, but it really can be aggravating, irritating, and frustrating -- I'm extremely clumsy, so it's kind of a "keystone kops" adventure watching me try to build a coil, attach it, and then wick it. It's worth all the irritation, but I do totally understand not wanting to get into it.

But, there is a way you can get most of the benefit of rebuilding, without needing to go "all in" -- just rewick the coils you have with organic cotton. I really, REALLY thought all that "organic" business was a whole lot of hooey, but it makes an unbelievable difference in the taste, and the whole vape experience. You can buy a bag of organic cotton balls at Walgreens for about $2.99; there are 80 cotton balls in it, and I can make wicks for probably 10-20 coils per ball, so it's really very economical.

I tried the silica that comes in the 'stock' coils; I've tried ekowool, which is really just a fancy kind of silica; I've tried 100% cotton yarn -- but NONE of them give the same quality and intensity of flavor as the organic cotton. I have a couple of Mini Protank II tanks, which at first I found completely underwhelming in terms of taste -- but now I wick them with organic cotton, and get *almost* as good flavor as I get from my rebuildable kayfuns; not as good throat hit, the kayfun is top-notch on throat hit, but the flavor itself -- organic cotton, and the type of tank you use it in is really not that important.

However, it must be noted that those small bottom-coil tanks are well-known for leaking -- liquid, gravity, etc -- if you use enough wick to prevent leaking, you usually get dry hit/burnt taste; if you use a small enough amount of wick to get good taste, then it leaks. Catch-22. I still get the leaks from the Mini PT IIs, I just take the tank off now and then and mop it up -- there are some juices I use so little of, it makes no sense to put into a big tank like a kayfun, so I put them into the mini PT II and just deal with it.

Just remember: cigarettes = easy, dying from cigarettes = easy; using a whole new technology to avoid dying from cigarettes = takes a bit more effort.

Good luck, and again, welcome! It really does get easier, and even less aggravating. :thumb:

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    retic is right, of course. Building takes some figuring out, but it's not hard. Only reason I suggested the Aerotank was because the OP said he/she didn't want to mess with rebuilding.

    After a while, I'm willing to be he/she moves in that direction naturally, though.

    I was just like Jaylah starting out , I swore I'd never rebuild and it was just for getting off of analogs . I probably used the exact same words . I was simply wrong in my thinking , I thought it would be too complicated and time consuming , it ain't . Since my coils last for months I rarely rebuild and when I do it takes me 5 minutes and that's taking my time with it , I'm not doing it for a hobby , I'm doing it for results . I spend much less time fiddling now with my kayfuns than I did with my protanks and evods , I like to vape , not troubleshoot which is what I was doing with the clearo's . Saving money doesn't hurt and the FDA can't ban kanthal or cotton .
     

    Spazmelda

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    A carto tank would probably be a good solution.

    I'm going to go against your stated desires, as a couple of others have done, and sing the praises of a Kayfun or clone. As counterintuitive as it sounds, my Kayfun clones are the most fiddle free toppers I have used. Also, in the long term, the cheapest. You don't have to make coil building a hobby. I build about 1 coil a month, if even that often. Because of the way they are set up you can dry burn them over and over, so coil making is not intensive and onerous. Probably about twice a week I yank the cotton out, dry burn, replace the wick and I'm good to go. When necessary, I can make a new coil in a few minutes and it costs pennies. Many get into the hobby aspect of the coils, but I basically just treat mine like an easy and cheap to maintain bottom coil tank.

    By far less fiddling than I did with protanks or anything else. Less troubleshooting than a cartotank even.
     
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    retic1959

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    Yes!! That's it! :)

    Start watching videos on youtube , Pbusardo usually makes things simple , there's tons of help and info on ECF as well , basically if you can wrap a piece of string around a stick and use a screwdriver you can rebuild , if you get a regulated mod like a MVP or SVD it simplifies things and offers protection from mistakes , there's a learning curve but it's not difficult , Just watch and learn and if you have a decent vape shop nearby they can assist as well , it's worth the time spent , my kayfuns don't leak , gurgle or flood , they were a big stress relief for me , they just plain work , that's all I ever wanted .
     

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    Jaylah, your original post sounds like I could have written it. I also wanted to just vape, and not smoke. I'm retired and really enjoy my life these days. Like you, I have quite a few hobbies that I enjoy - papercrafting, cardmaking, crocheting, sewing and reading. I have no interest in vaping becoming another hobby. I don't care how many threads I read about how easy it is to build coils, re-wick, etc. I just do not want to do that!:)

    I've been at this, with great success, for about 6 months. No cigarettes since I started, which is still amazing and wonderful to me.

    Here is the fuss-free system I am now using. It works, and I don't have to fiddle with it. Just fill, plug and play. Like you, I have several juices that I like, so I have tanks for each one.

    I have 2 MVP 2's. They are super reliable, and the battery life is great. I keep one plugged on the charger, ready to go, and use the other one. A charge easily lasts for a day and a half, sometimes 2 days. You can find the MVP online at lots of places, even ebay, for about $40. I got two so I would have a backup and not have to worry about charging just one. I told myself the cost was about what I would have paid for a couple of cartons of smokes, which would not have lasted even 2 weeks at the rate I smoked.

    I have several Smok Tech Pyrex Aro tanks, the larger version of what you have. I buy the coils for them several boxes at a time, and they cost about $1.25 ea. that way. The coils last for a week or 10 days, and I don't fool with cleaning or dry burning them. I figure $1.25 is cheap enough for that long a time of using them. When the vapor production seems to be diminishing, I replace the coil.

    I promise you, I have had zero trouble or problems with this system since I started using it a couple of months ago. I never change the volts/watts on the MVP. Someone told me to use the watts button and set it at 8 watts and leave it there. That's what I've done, and all the juices I like taste just fine with that setting.

    PS Here is a link to the larger Smok Tech tanks I use. They have worked really well for me.

    http://www.hoosierecig.com/Smok-Tech-Pyrex-Aro-Tank_p_725.html
     
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    I'm going to reiterate getting cartotanks. When I want a setup that I can be almost totally confident won't disappoint be leaking, getting a burny taste, etc, etc. I reach for my ProVaris and IBTanked carto tanks.

    I don't think you necessarily want to invest in a ProVari but a good cartotank will give you lasting service and great flavor. The cartos last a good long time and are a snap to replace.
     

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    The coils last for a week or 10 days, and I don't fool with cleaning or dry burning them. I figure $1.25 is cheap enough for that long a time of using them.

    You must vape a lot less than I do. I have a hard time getting a coil to last more than about a day!

    And amusing that your like was for Hoosier E-cig Supply. That's where I've been buying my coils. :)
     
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    Rebuilding is easy, I love to sit with my coils, but that's me. It don't need to take much of your time. If I'm in a hurry, I can rebuild a coil in a couple of minutes, and it lasts for a month, just need to re-wick it from time to time. The trouble I have with the Kayfun at this point is that you need to drain it for juice before rebuild/wicking. But as long as you don't mind, it's a good choice even though it will look a bit weird on your Itaste vv 3.
    Anyhow a great tool for wrapping coils: Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

    But I have to admit that I prefer my aerotank mini/mega to the Kayfun clone I'm using due to the fact that my clone leaks a lot if it doesn't stand upright. The taste is just great with these tanks, and it's simple.
    Still good luck to you!
     

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    You must vape a lot less than I do. I have a hard time getting a coil to last more than about a day!

    I actually have the MVP in my hand from the time I get up until I go to bed. Not really. :) I do put it down occasionally, but I would consider myself a pretty heavy vaper, just like I was a heavy smoker. You might get a couple of the larger Smok Tech tanks and coils for them and see what you think. Mine really do last about a week before I change them out.
     

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    You must vape a lot less than I do. I have a hard time getting a coil to last more than about a day!

    Thanks for the like Jaylah but I still have some of my original atomizers today that I used back in November for my T3Ss, granted I stopped using them as daily vape devices awhile back and I had a few to choose from but they sure lasted longer than a day! ;)

    A thicker ejuice will junk up a coil quick but taht can be solved with a hot-water rinse, an overnight saoking in vodka, another rinse and a dry burn. I would usually replace the flavor wick too. This is the same routine I use with my newer iClear x.1's and Kanger aeros, however I no longer feel motivated to replace the wicks in them.

    Dry burn it for freshness! :)
     

    jstjoehere

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    Unfortunately it seems that when your going from smoking to vaping the transition can be quite annoying for a few reasons. My biggest problem was I didn't read about it and understand it before I got into it. I went to a shop spent about $50 and left with a clearomizer, adjustable battery, coils and juice. Once I got home and actually started missing things that were never explained to me like throat hit, or what to do with the no taste issue, the restricted draw I used to get from a cig or the relaxed feeling from the first hit. So I started researching and looking what I needed to do to get what I was missing. Once I found out what would more than likely solve those problems then I went shopping again. I got a aerotank, a variable voltage/wattage mod not a cheap one and some juice that had flavor and a better pg/vg ratio to help with throat hit.
    When everything reached my hands and I put it together and used it I adjusted airflow, watts, and using a juice with a 70/30 pg to vg mix I got throat hit. Throat hit was the key for me thats what gave me the relaxed feeling off of that first hit. Better juice means better flavor. As for coils well they all go bad at different times it seems so I learned to build my own. After a few weeks I learned that if I wasnt tasting the juice it was time to either change flavors or rinse my mouth out with water. Vape tongue sucks lol. Once you learn what causes what problems its really easy to take care of. I know that buying different things is annoying so in my opinion since you dont like messing with coils is just use a carto. Change your flavors up regularly. I use a different flavor every other day. Coils usually last a week or 2.
     

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    I'm going to reiterate getting cartotanks. When I want a setup that I can be almost totally confident won't disappoint be leaking, getting a burny taste, etc, etc. I reach for my ProVaris and IBTanked carto tanks.

    I don't think you necessarily want to invest in a ProVari but a good cartotank will give you lasting service and great flavor. The cartos last a good long time and are a snap to replace.

    Very true -- as much as I love my rebuildables, I have a nice SmokTech UDCT for "emergencies" -- they may not give as intense flavor as a kayfun, but THEY WORK, with very little fuss.

    But I have to +1 what someone said about kayfuns -- I've had very little frustration with those, since learning to wick them properly, and best of all, NO LEAKING! That's worth its weight in Kangers. :D

    Andria
     

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    Ya'll realize it's going to take me a few hours to figure out all of these vaper-terms, right? ;)

    And it ain't gonna happen right now because I seriously screwed up my knee a couple of weeks ago, finally went to the doctor about it last week, and have to leave for a physical therapy appointment shortly. (That might have something to do with my lack of patience? lol) And then my parents are taking me out for a belated birthday dinner. That would be nice if they weren't taking me to an Italian restaurant and I'm supposed to be watching my carbs due to pre-diabetic blood sugar levels.
     

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    Rebuilding is easy, I love to sit with my coils, but that's me. It don't need to take much of your time. If I'm in a hurry, I can rebuild a coil in a couple of minutes, and it lasts for a month, just need to re-wick it from time to time. The trouble I have with the Kayfun at this point is that you need to drain it for juice before rebuild/wicking. But as long as you don't mind, it's a good choice even though it will look a bit weird on your Itaste vv 3.
    Anyhow a great tool for wrapping coils: Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

    It does not look weird!

    vv3_sig_kfuns.jpg

    One of my Kayfuns on my chameleon vv3; the other on my Sigelei in full telescopic mode, both kayfuns with M-tanks -- the clear one for daytime, the dark one for night. Using the M-tank is especially helpful with the vv3, since it's not so top-heavy as the regular stainless rings.

    And yes that Steam Engine calculator is an excellent resource for figuring out coil wrapping -- I could not proceed without it.

    Andria
     

    jstjoehere

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    Snapshot_20140604.jpg This is what I use like I have around $75 in the vv vw and $15 in the aero tank. It does all I want. But thats me so much of vaping has to do with personal preference. Look dont worry what the thing looks like who really cares anyway. Ive seen people looking at me trying to figure out what the heck im doing or what that thing is lol. The main thing is your doing something to better your health. No one here can tell you what you need thats something you have to figure out. Id recommend maybe of you have some friends that vape or if theres a vape shop around some of them will let you try different set ups to see what you like. Or use the live chat everyone in there is very helpful and will do what they can to help you. Hey they are even there to give you support when your wanting to go to the store and buy a pack of smokes.
     
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