Confused about wires

[trippy_K82]

Hi all, i'm a bit confused about wires.

to what i understand, longer wire = more resistance, thicker wire = more resistance

so why do i see people on tumblr, instagram etc using the fancy wires eg alien, tiger, hive, clapton, when we trying so hard to get less resistance? i mean, these fancy wires all a bit big and thick right? looks swee la, but if don't serve purpose, then.. why ah?

sorry if i sound silly, i failed physics and maths.

Also, whats the difference between using SS316, Ni, Ti wires? better than kanthal A1?

 

[SkyeDeadPool]

Personally I'm using kanthal triple twisted n I can go as low as .32 ohm...


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[WarA]

longer wire = more resistance,
thicker and multiple parallel wires = less resistance.

temp restrict and non temp restrict.

 

[Ninthsine]

Ss, ni and ti wires are for temperature control mode aka TC. Recommend that you do lots of reading up before using tc wires

 

[Train2]

You've got it backwards with thickness!
Longer does increase resistance, but THICKER lowers it.
Think of the wire as a pipe the electricity flows through - big thick pipe makes it EASIER...less RESISTance...
So with a thick wire, you can make big fancy coils, and still have low resistance.

And that fancy build gives you tons of surface area to get a bucket of juice vaporized at once.

Hi all, i'm a bit confused about wires.

to what i understand, longer wire = more resistance, thicker wire = more resistance

so why do i see people on tumblr, instagram etc using the fancy wires eg alien, tiger, hive, clapton, when we trying so hard to get less resistance? i mean, these fancy wires all a bit big and thick right? looks swee la, but if don't serve purpose, then.. why ah?

sorry if i sound silly, i failed physics and maths.

Also, whats the difference between using SS316, Ni, Ti wires? better than kanthal A1?

 

[chia]

If you are starting out, just stick to kanthal coil.. 28 or 30G. 5-6 wraps around a 2.5mm ID.
With this you are generally in the 'safe' zone of 1ohm or thereabouts..
Do this for a while and then research on other wire types. As you get more experienced you can then better understand and experiment with other wires..
Good luck

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Hi all, i'm a bit confused about wires.

to what i understand, longer wire = more resistance, thicker wire = more resistance

so why do i see people on tumblr, instagram etc using the fancy wires eg alien, tiger, hive, clapton, when we trying so hard to get less resistance? i mean, these fancy wires all a bit big and thick right? looks swee la, but if don't serve purpose, then.. why ah?

sorry if i sound silly, i failed physics and maths.

Also, whats the difference between using SS316, Ni, Ti wires? better than kanthal A1?

Thicker wire means lower resistance, thats why when you see people doing builds with alienwire it's usually a single coil build because if it was dual coil it would cut the resistance in half and would be way way too low..

Nickel and Titanium are for temperature control only and should not be used in wattage and voltage.

Stainless steel is my favorite, it can be used in both temperature control and wattage mode it has a similar taste to kanthal but lower resistance so you can make a bigger coil that will have more surface area but maintain a low resistance for a warm vape.

 

[DragonSG]

Ask Him.

 

[avex30]

One of the reason for me to switch to SS 316. But than again most ppl want a more compact tank... easier to hide for us here that is. So mean having a bigger built is hard it tend to touch the inner wall of the tanks.

For the max I is 25 internal 9 wraps... for SS I switch BTW TC n power mode.

I also perfer using 26~28 awg wires.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

I was given a very brief lesson/demo at the vape shop and told to do 8 to 9 turns when winding my own coils.
Seeing recommendations for 5 to 6 turns is confusing me somewhat. While more turns will provide more surface area, the increased length will mean more resistance... So I should use a heavier gauge of wire?

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[botakchek]

Better or not, it all boils down to preference. The only fancier build I find worth building is a regular and/or fused clapton. The others just require way too much work.. that is of course, you are a #coilporn kind of guy! There are some pretty good local builders as well.

Some of those coils are just plain inefficient. To those people that build such coils, they might think it is better to conceive and then create. It looks good as hell though! To each his own.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

I'm lazy as heck and am eyeing those pre-made coils

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[avex30]

i Prefer own wrapping of coils give me a better feel of it. You can use "Steam-engine website" as guide when u key in the info they will calculate the stuff for u.

pre-coil is for people whom dislike Diy or sucks at it. We dont have access to premake so easily what if your pre make supplier go MIA.

Also coiling myself at least let me ensure the right quality wire is use.

anyway it just my own 2 cents thought.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

I know what you mean. Am intending to get some wire to try this out for myself.

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[Karstine]

Hi all, i'm a bit confused about wires.

to what i understand, longer wire = more resistance, thicker wire = more resistance

so why do i see people on tumblr, instagram etc using the fancy wires eg alien, tiger, hive, clapton, when we trying so hard to get less resistance? i mean, these fancy wires all a bit big and thick right? looks swee la, but if don't serve purpose, then.. why ah?

sorry if i sound silly, i failed physics and maths.

Also, whats the difference between using SS316, Ni, Ti wires? better than kanthal A1?

Basic Physics:

Longer wire = More resistance

Thicker wire = Less Resistance (22ga is thicker than 28ga)

5 types of wire used in vaping:

Kanthal
Nichrome (Rare)
Stainless Steel
Nickel
Titanium

Wire for power mode (Wattage vaping):

Kanthal
Nichrome
Stainless Steel

The three material mentioned above do not really change their resistance with temperature. (Note: SS do have a very slight change) Since temp control detects heat change (Which subsequently affects the resistance) of the coil, this three wires would not work.

Apparently there are opinions that SS coil taste cleaner. But I will just stick to the tried and tested Kanthal as it's cheap.

Wire for temp control:

Nickel
Titanium

Now this two wire changes their resistance with heat. This is why they are used in temp control mod. (VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE: DO NOT USE NICKEL IN POWER MODE. YOU WILL HEAT THE COIL TO SOME POINT OF VAPORISATION AND YOU WILL BE INHALING NICKEL .... A.K.A NICKEL IS TOXIC)

Hope you read my warning about nickel so let's continue, the main point about temp control is that you will never ever burn another cotton wick ever again. This is because you can set a temp limit on the mod. Well other than that, I'm not that much of an expert on temp control. So... yeah.

Coil design:

There are many various coil design like the clapton, alien blah blah blah. Most of them tries to improve surface area of coil so that there are more wick material touching the coil. More wick material touching the coil leads to more liquid being in contact with coil. This then leads to more vaporisation of liquid and thus bigger and thicker clouds.

To me, I will most likely only venture into the realms of clapton. The rest of the coil design have a high ramping up time (Temp increasing period) This mean that many of the fancy coil are slow to heat up. One good thing about clapton is that eliquid can 'fall' into the holes and thus act sort of like a wick.

I was given a very brief lesson/demo at the vape shop and told to do 8 to 9 turns when winding my own coils.
Seeing recommendations for 5 to 6 turns is confusing me somewhat. While more turns will provide more surface area, the increased length will mean more resistance... So I should use a heavier gauge of wire?

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More turn in coil leads to a longer wire length. Thus a 5 turn coil is shorter than a 9 turn coil. Since longer wire = more resistance, a 9 turn coil will have a higher resistance for a given gauge.

Thicker gauge such as 22ga have smaller resistance. Thus you only need to have fewer turn of coil to go into sub ohm territory. If you want to sub ohm and you only have a 28ga wire, you are going to have more than 10 turn, this means that the 10 turn coil won't be able to fit into common rta/rda.

There are no recommendation in number of turn in coil. ALWAYS USE STEAM ENGINE TO CALCULATE OHM AND NUMBER OF COIL IF YOU WANT TO EXPERIMENT. DON'T SUKA SUKA ANYHOW HANTUM X NUMBER OF TURN FOR YOUR COIL. IF YOUR COIL RESISTANCE IS 0.01 THAT IS LIKE .01 CLOSER TO SHORTING YOUR BATTERY. A SHORTED BATTERY IS NOT A HAPPY BATTERY. NO BLOODY EXCUSES SINCE STEAM ENGINE IS SO DARN CONVENIENT!

End Note:

I might add on as and when there are more questions

 

[bravobravoquebec]

SS definitely works for TC.. I've been using SS316L on and off. Some of the older mods and suprisingly some new ones don't support it though, some might with a firmware update.

 

[Karstine]

SS have a very small resistance (delta resistance) with temperatures. Maybe newer firmware updated the sensitivity of tc in mod. I could be wrong though. Never touched tc from the first day of vaping.

@Otterman
@bravobravoquebec

 

[avex30]

I been on tc since I got my ss 316L wire seem okie in TC. Not sure what firmware have issue on that.