Consistency in nic concentrations

[Concat]

So I’ve never really seen anyone discuss the consistency of nic concentration in premixed juices. Seems to me 18mg from two different vendors can at times be radically different. One puts me into a nic coma after 5-10 hits, the other I can chain vape ad nauseum.

Does anyone else find this? It’s like some vendors muck up the concentration or label it wrong or, god forbid, jip us on the nic…

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like it’s a widespread problem that I’ve encountered… just every now and then I’ll get a juice that seems really weak, or one that will knock me on my ....

Thoughts?

 

[wood]

yes i get that too

 

[XSlor]

I get that too.... sometimes from the same bottle though! I'm sucking on this More Chocolate Please - and at one moment it's easy vaping at others it's like TH x100...

Maybe the nicotine doesn't mix to well in some mixes and you gotta shake it up a bit?

Maybe this isn't what you where getting at... but I thought I'd contribute my n00by thoughts

 

[mopar]

So I’ve never really seen anyone discuss the consistency of nic concentration in premixed juices. Seems to me 18mg from two different vendors can at times be radically different. One puts me into a nic coma after 5-10 hits, the other I can chain vape ad nauseum.

Does anyone else find this? It’s like some vendors muck up the concentration or label it wrong or, god forbid, jip us on the nic…

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like it’s a widespread problem that I’ve encountered… just every now and then I’ll get a juice that seems really weak, or one that will knock me on my ....

Thoughts?

Agree with you Concat I got a batch of 24mg right now that knocks me on my ..... Where as my other stuff at 24mg some I can chain vape till the bottle is empty

 

[DevilFishPhil]

Are you talking about the same kind of juice from 2 different vendors with the same nic concentration? I'm sure there are a lot of factors that come in to play as well, i.e. the quality of the nic juice, the PG/VG used, the type of flavoring used, the amount of flavoring, the age of the juice etc

 

[mopar]

Different flavours, vendors, juices just seems weird how despite all the variables, some can be so different as far as a nic coma hitting opposed to others that I can vape all afternoon long.

 

[Concat]

Are you talking about the same kind of juice from 2 different vendors with the same nic concentration? I'm sure there are a lot of factors that come in to play as well, i.e. the quality of the nic juice, the PG/VG used, the type of flavoring used, the amount of flavoring, the age of the juice etc

Yeah same vendor same juice, and across different vendors too. PG/VG is always the same for me, but I have wondered how much flavoring affects nic delivery. Maybe it just affects our perception, and not the actual nic...?

Still doesn't account for ordering the same juice a month apart.

Maybe the age of the nic juice is the main culprit. Oxidization or whatever.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I have found no consistency in the industry when it comes to nic content claims .. and, I have used the test kit that is available on eBay to test the content ..

I have also not found any consistency from individual vendors on the exact same liquid ..

 

[wood]

i have some 18 that i swear must be 36

 

[Concat]

I have found no consistency in the industry when it comes to nic content claims .. and, I have used the test kit that is available on eBay to test the content ..

I have also not found any consistency from individual vendors on the exact same liquid ..

Really? Well now that IS interesting.

So these test kits, they'll tell you the nic concentration? In your experience, how much does it vary? Very curious...

 

[mopar]

I have found no consistency in the industry when it comes to nic content claims .. and, I have used the test kit that is available on eBay to test the content ..

I have also not found any consistency from individual vendors on the exact same liquid ..

That's good to know because despite all the variables, sometimes the same juice is very different batch to batch. Then we start wondering about all the stuff said by phil and concat.

i have some 18 that i swear must be 36

Yep, and they probably are.

 

[Kams Cats]

I am fascinated by this and curious why it occurs.

I for one don't seem to be overly affected by the nic content and I vape my heart out. I should mention I don't vape over 24mg.
I find I can vape from 9mg to 24 mg without a problem and without really telling the difference. Except that some have more TH or more of a peppery taste. I think it's because of the medications I take doing things to my metabolism.

Still I am curious about this and would like to know why.

 

[Concat]

9mg compared to 24mg is a monstrous difference for me...

 

[XSlor]

I think too this one of the FDA's "issues" is the inconsistency of the nicotine both per bottle/label and how it gets evaporated in your PV.

At least I thought I read something like that in their reports... I'll pull it up if anyone cares for me too (though I'm sure most of you have already read it...)

(I just thought about it - if anyone doesn't want to read this kind of stuff I can delete this lol)

 

[XSlor]

This is from the FDA "testing":

FDA found significant quality issues that indicate that quality control processes used to manufacture these products are substandard or non-existent. FDA found that cartridges labeled as containing no nicotine contained nicotine and that three different electronic cigarette cartridges with the same label emitted a markedly different amount of nicotine with each puff.

 

[XSlor]

The reality though is this really isn't that BIG of an issue... ain't gonna kill anyone... It's like smoking dumaurier lights and then throwing in a PJB puff in the mix

as far as I'm concerned anyways...

 

[Concat]

Well it's impossible for vendors to make the same amount nic come out per puff, regardless of atomizer type and voltage. I don't take issue with that...

But if they are lazy with mixing, or trying to save on costs by deceiving customers, then yeah... pull up your .......*** socks!

They should be testing their base to confirm nic concentration and accurately mixing accordingly. +-1mg no biggie. But what I'm sensing is +-10mg, and that's unacceptable, imo.

 

[XSlor]

Yeah that's kind of crazy! To all those mixers!

 

[mopar]

Don't know what it is but to say other then +-10mg is not stretching the truth. XSlor is heading us down the path of regulation which I for one would love to see a little bit of. Just to bad they will regulate it and tax it to death like everything else.

Well it's impossible for vendors to make the same amount nic come out per puff, regardless of atomizer type and voltage. I don't take issue with that...

But if they are lazy with mixing, or trying to save on costs by deceiving customers, then yeah... pull up your .......*** socks!

They should be testing their base to confirm nic concentration and accurately mixing accordingly. +-1mg no biggie. But what I'm sensing is +-10mg, and that's unacceptable, imo.

 

[Kams Cats]

9mg compared to 24mg is a monstrous difference for me...

Same thing goes with Caffeine. I get next to no effect from it. I probably should stick with medium to lower amounts if there are inconsistencies since I don't feel or get affected the same way.

As for the FDA studies. I would like to see them repeated to see if they get the same results.