Constantly burning the filler on Boge LR 510 softcap cartos.

[johnnydotexe]

I recently switched from the Boge standard to Boge LR, and the first day = great flavor and vapor. After that, the flavor sort of drops off and I start tasting hints of burning filler.

I know I have to keep that filler wet, and I am sure to do just that. I top off CONSTANTLY, I actually overfill a drip or two each time...but that filler is always soaked with juice. After a day or two, no matter what, I start tasting that burnt filler. On a new carto, I fill them up and let it steep for at least an hour and then top it off before my first vape so that way the juice had time to wick in to the coil.

After I couldn't stand the taste anymore on the first LR after less than a week of use, I pulled the guts out. The filler itself wasn't burnt, it was that cloth-looking wrap around the coil that was burning. This second LR is only two days old and already getting that familiar burnt taste.

Also, on the first LR carto, I noticed the inner tube was closing up and when I would do a blow-through when overfilled, little black bits would come out. From what I could see, the coil was gunked up. Could this be the juice gunking up the coil? It's FSUSA 50/50 24mg RY4.

What am I doing wrong? I'm using these on 650mAH 3.7v eGo batteries, not using them on my HV passthrough or anything else. Am I vaping faster than the cloth is able to wick juice to the coil, which causes that cloth to burn? That's the only thing I can think of.

ETA: I have some new flavors on the way from madvapes, so maybe a different/lighter-colored juice may wick better and help avoid this problem. I also have atties and drips tips on the way here so I can try out dripping. I love the Boge LR cartos when they don't taste burnt, and I'm hearing good things about dripping, so maybe that's what I've been looking for.

 

[bigtimeweb]

Its a marathon but this thread may help:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-510-kr808-4081-etc-filler-type-cartos.html

 

[johnnydotexe]

Its a marathon but this thread may help:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...us-510-kr808-4081-etc-filler-type-cartos.html

Is there anything particular in that thread I should know? I've been through the first few pages so far and it seems that people are confirming what I already believe is happening...the filler + the cloth wrap around the coil are burning even if the cartos are kept full/topped off. I really think it's because the juice is not wicking fast enough to keep the coil from burning everything in there.

Either way, I'm going to try to find a new form of vaping and get away from these cartos. I'm thinking dripping + a MAP tank mod may be the path I choose, and save the cartos + lighter juices for mobile vaping.

 

[unsure]

Is there anything particular in that thread I should know? I've been through the first few pages so far and it seems that people are confirming what I already believe is happening...the filler + the cloth wrap around the coil are burning even if the cartos are kept full/topped off. I really think it's because the juice is not wicking fast enough to keep the coil from burning everything in there.

Either way, I'm going to try to find a new form of vaping and get away from these cartos. I'm thinking dripping + a MAP tank mod may be the path I choose, and save the cartos + lighter juices for mobile vaping.

people swear by cartos but with a selfjuicer that problem is not an issue....tho cartos can still be used and are.

 

[johnnydotexe]

I just received my first LR atty and plastic drip tip that slides over it. A lot more vapor and flavor without the burning-filler taste. There just seems to be a hint of flavor that I didn't get with my cartos, sort of a stagnant-water type of taste. I did thoroughly clean the atty, did a blow-through, and let it dry for a bit before priming and vaping. I do have some more LR atties and drip tips coming in with my juice order from madvapes, so maybe a different atty might yield a different result. Either way, I can see myself dripping at home from now on, and save the cartos for the road...or get a MAP tank for that.

 

[Katya]

Johnny, Do not read the "Burning" thread from the beginning; that thread is two years old. Just join the conversation and we'll try to answer your questions...

When you say LR, do you mean 2.0Ω or 1.5Ω cartomizers?

 

[johnnydotexe]

Johnny, Do not read the "Burning" thread from the beginning; that thread is two years old. Just join the conversation and we'll try to answer your questions...

When you say LR, do you mean 2.0Ω or 1.5Ω cartomizers?

Yeah, I figured I'd start from the last page and work my way back a few pages to catch on to the discussion.

As for the ohm rating...I'm pretty sure Boge non-LR 510 softcap cartos are 3.0ohm and the LR are 2.0ohm. I don't think they offer them in other ohm ratings, but don't quote me on any of that because I'm just going by what I read. If it helps any, I buy them from litecigusa...but I don't recall if they have ohm ratings in the product details, I'd have to check again to be sure.

I don't think I have the same issue on the non-LRs on the batteries or the HV PT, or it's at least not nearly as noticeable. I also noticed at times that I'll get a VERY harsh burnt hit with the LRs, and I'm 100% sure that filler is soaked...talk about a very unpleasant burning feeling, especially when I'm exhaling through my nose or mouth & nose at the same time.

Eta: I feel it is worth mentioning that there is no visual difference inside or out between the LR and non-LR, I've gutted one of each and they both had the cloth coil wrap burnt. Perhaps I didn't look close enough at the wires and such, so this is purely IMHO. The non-LR actually had a hole through the cloth and clear through the filler, but that was my very first carto on the very first day of vaping...pretty sure I accidentally ran 'er dry. Gotta learn somehow, haha.

 

[Kent C]

The only cartos I've had that didn't burn at least the cloth wrap were those with no filler or joye cartos which have a different set up entirely. Although, the joyes weren't perfect either. I'm with unsure on cartos in general - few exceptions...

...great smiley...

 

[johnnydotexe]

I haven't tried any cartos other than the Boges, so I'm wondering if something like a CE2 clearomizer would work. I imagine if I don't like that, I probably won't like the MAP tank mod since it's pretty much the same thing but with a bigger tank.

 

[Katya]

Yeah, it's possible he had a bad batch... I order mine from either LiteCig or Liberty Flights and never had a problem with 2.0Ω ones. BTW, your eGo is 3.2v (under load) so voltage is not an issue here. Do you have a multimeter? maybe the cartos you got are lower than 2.0Ω? It happens. I always check the resistance of mine, just in case. In my experience, the 1.5-1.7Ω Boge 510s burn very quickly.

I fill mine with a syringe and needle for the first time and then let them sit for an hour or so. Then I top off early and often, they need to be kept moist.

 

[unsure]

http://www.digitalciggz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=287 These are 1.7Ω cartos

 

[Kent C]

I haven't tried any cartos other than the Boges, so I'm wondering if something like a CE2 clearomizer would work. I imagine if I don't like that, I probably won't like the MAP tank mod since it's pretty much the same thing but with a bigger tank.

I went through... and finished, the CE2 phase - great idea but the company is being dragged around by customers whims imo. And when I bought some of the 'new and improved' they included some of the old ones in the pack! I still do use one with a wetbox - a bottom feeding mod and that way you don't have to go through the routine of filling the CE2! just squeeze the bottle. The R2 was the best revision, imo - lower ohms than the later ones although I see now the choices are greater. For those reasons I never made it to the clearomizers and really since I got the eGo-T - don't see me having one.... eGo-t - despite the problems some have had, is the top of the 510 evolutionary scale, imho.

 

[johnnydotexe]

I do fill mine and let them sit for at least 30 minutes, usually an hour, before topping them off a drip or two as needed before I start vaping away. I also top them off long before flavor/vapor drop off, because I'm so worried about toasting the coil or burning the filler and flushing money down the drain.

I do have a multimeter, but atm I don't recall if it does ohm readings. If so, how do I measure it? I'm assuming one probe on the threads, and another probe on that center "crown" where the center hole is...but I'm not sure.

I went through... and finished the CE2 phase - great idea but the company is being dragged around by customers whims imo. And when I bought some of the 'new and improved' they included some of the old ones in the pack! I still do use one with a wetbox - a bottom feeding mod and that way you don't have to go through the routine of filling the CE2! just squeeze the bottle. The R2 was the best revision, imo - lower ohms than the later ones although I see now the choices are greater. For those reasons I never made it to the clearomizers and really since I got the eGo-T - don't see me having one.... eGo-t - despite the problems some have had, is the top of the 510 evolutionary scale, imho.

Have you looked in to the GoGo? There's an "ego-t vs gogo" thread up to about 80 pages, might want to check that out if you have the time. I'd start at around page 50-60 and read on from there.

 

[Kent C]

I do fill mine and let them sit for at least 30 minutes, usually an hour, before topping them off a drip or two as needed before I start vaping away. I also top them off long before flavor/vapor drop off, because I'm so worried about toasting the coil or burning the filler and flushing money down the drain.

I do have a multimeter, but atm I don't recall if it does ohm readings. If so, how do I measure it? I'm assuming one probe on the threads, and another probe on that center "crown" where the center hole is...but I'm not sure.



Have you looked in to the GoGo? There's an "ego-t vs gogo" thread up to about 80 pages, might want to check that out if you have the time. I'd start at around page 50-60 and read on from there.

I've been following the thread and I simply didn't have the problems that some there have had. I have about 7 eGo-t's going - Scottbee and I had some of the first ones - not a problem with proper maintenance - either as Katya does - vape 100% PG or like me - do a 151 vodka soak when needed. LRs help on the cleaning - near self cleaning and on occasion I've had the burnt ejuice in the tank residue which I get through osmosis and a corner of a paper towel - but even that is rare. There is no 'filler/cloth/sweaty tshirt' flavoring so the flavors are truer that even with the mega eGo atty which is what I had before.

Some of the first ones that went out had smaller spikes and airflow and wicking were tighter - I think that's what happened with Grimm's review but can't say for sure. All I can say is that I've always got more vapor than his video shows and evidently much more flavor that he experienced. That video set an anti-trend - as did some of the early products. Too bad....

 

[Katya]

+1^

I agree with Kent on the tanks. I've been using mine for over two months (I have 4 in rotation, both standard and LR) without any problems. Yes, there is a slight off taste with some juices that I don't get with my Boge cartos, but I'm getting used to it. That said, my Boge 2.0Ω and the 2.5Ω (Premium Platinum from IkenVape) are still among my favorites. No maintenance! Just throw them out when they have vaporized ~5-6 ml of juice; that's my limit.

However, my experience with Joyetech cartos was not a happy one. They taste great initially, but they deteriorate pretty quickly. They are a pain to refill, they tend to leak, and I always get a rather unpleasant plastic-y taste, eventually.

Here's step-by step (for digital multimiters):

1. Turn your multimeter on and select the lowest Ohms setting, usually 200Ω.
2. Look at the display; the left side of the screen should display number 1.
3. First, test the resistance of your leads. Touch to two leads together, firmly, and wait for numbers to stabilize. On the right side of the screen, you should see a number between 0.0 and 0.4, or so. This is the resistance of your leads. Remember that number.
4. Now, to test your atty. Position your carto firmly on your desk; you don't want it to slip and slide all over the place. Touch one lead to the hole in the center of the atty and the other lead to the threads. Again read the display after the numbers have stabilized.
5. Subtract the resistance of your leads (#3) from the resistance of your atty(#4). This is the resistance of your atomizer.

This process takes some getting used to. Steady hand helps. Just keep practicing and you'll figure it out.

 

[Kent C]

+1^

I agree with Kent on the tanks. I've been using mine for over two months (I have 4 in rotation, both standard and LR)

I know this can be costly for some but 4 in rotation and I have 7, so each are getting a fraction of the use for people that are just using one or two. That certainly can be a factor as far as heat... Mine are cool when I pick them up.

 

[fuzznut]

That said, my Boge 2.0Ω and the 2.5Ω (Premium Platinum from IkenVape) are still among my favorites. No maintenance! Just throw them out when they have vaporized ~5-6 ml of juice; that's my limit.

That's what I've experienced too, after 5-6ml, the coil is caked up enough to the point where they're done. Since I vape 5-6 ml a day, that's right, a cart will only last 1 day. So what, they're like 1.75 each. Bloog cartos last a day too, but these might be cleanable if they can be dry burned. The boge definitely can't be dry burned with the flammable material that surrounds the coil.

 

[Goldenkobold]

I normally get 7-8ml of juice in them, but i syringe fill every night.

 

[johnnydotexe]

I have one non-LR boge that has seen at least 15ml of juice, three different flavors. I have done the syringe-flush method on it which is likely why it's still alive. Currently vaping watermelon 50/50 out of it on my HV PT. The clear film has been mostly peeled off, a lot of the black is coming off...looks like it's several years old and thrown down the driveway.

Another non-LR has had about 8ml of thin mint 50/50 through it and still running strong.