COPD and Sub Ohm

[Michelle Hughes]

Hey guys, this was just something I wanted to discuss with more experience vapers. I have COPD and did great with a istick and aerotank V2, but when I got the Kanger subox mini kit, I coughed so bad I had to put it down and trade back with my daughter who does zero nic and has great lungs. I had some great folks try and help me and switched to a 1.5 coil lowered my nic from 12 to 6 and that worked for a few days but then the coughing started again. I've decided that sub ohm is just not for me.

I've only been vaping since August 7, 2015. I haven't smoked since that date but the sub ohm was a huge deterrent for me. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Hello Michelle.
What you are comfortable with is always the best choice.

 

[Lannie]

I only have a couple sub-ohm tanks with .5 ohm coils, but I know for SURE the very maximum nic I can handle in those is 6 mg. If I was trying to vape anything higher, I'd cough up my shoes. I don't do doctors, so I don't know what THEY would have said, but I probably have (or had?) COPD, too. I'd cough when the air was too cold, couldn't smoke at anything less than 45 degrees (no smoking outside in the winter), and couldn't breathe without coughing, even without a cigarette, at below zero (I'm using Farhenheit temps). So maybe I was as bad as you, maybe I was worse, maybe not. All I'm saying is if you want to keep trying the sub-ohm, lower your nic level, or even use zero nic juice in that tank. Save it for your unwind/relaxation time. That's what I do. I have some zero nic juice I made to use in the evenings, and some 3 mg to use during the day. I can handle up to 6 mg nic in it, but I end up with a pounding heart (adrenaline/nic rush) if I vape on it too frequently. And with the smaller, mouth to lung tanks (I have Protanks mostly), I normally use 15 or 16 mg nic juice. Just to give you a comparison.

~Lannie

 

[Baditude]

Vape the way that works for you. Don't be pressured by what others tell you or what you might read on a forum.

I've been vaping for over three years. Up until the last year, I vaped standard or high resistance coils (2.0 - 3.0 ohm).

About a year ago I began building my own coils for RDA's. Over time I began dropping the resistance of the coil builds to as low as 0.6 ohms, which is now my sweet spot.

Over time you too may enjoy sub-ohm builds, but as I said earlier don't feel pressured to vape them until you and your body is ready for it.

 

[navigator2011]

Hi Michelle,

I know what you mean about the coughing thing. I was able to put down the cigarettes by using an iStick with a Nautilus Mini and 18mg juices. I have a Subtank Mini (STM) that always made me cough. I found that even with the 1.5 ohm coils, it was a struggle. It felt like the STM just runs too hot and then the coils would start to burn a little too. I then started making my own coils, and that made a big difference. I know it's a sub-ohm tank, but I have been winding 1.7 ohm coils and using the largest air hole (to keep the heat down) without much coughing at all. I now only need my Nautilus on occasion when I get tired of lung hitting. In any case, I am sorry that you have COPD.

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I also had to lower my juice from 18mg to 12mg or less in the STM.

 

[EBates]

Vaping is not a competition. It was to help you to quit smoking. Now all the new PVs are geared to sub-ohms and extreme wattage. Sounds like you were sold a sports car when what you needed was an economy car.
Grab your istick and aerotank and vape. Just because everyone is going 200mph in the fast lane does not mean you have to. As Wolf said do what you are comfortable with.

 

[Tol]

Yup, I would echo the other comments here. If your Aerotank is working and you are happy with it, there is nothing to fix. If you want to try a different tank, you could look at the Aspire Nautilus Mini, which is a great tank for Mouth to Lung vaping.

 

[duby1622]

First of all, do whatever works for you, there is no wrong way to vape if it keeps you off analogs.

A couple of things to consider about sub ohm vaping. I dropped down to 3mg when i switched to sub ohm vaping. I know you decreased to 6mg, but it may have not been enough. I was at 12mg (with some 18mg when i really needed it) and i know i couldn't do 6mg sub ohm on a regular basis.

Also, how were you inhaling with your old setup vs. the new sub ohm? Sub ohm vaping requires a direct lung style of inhaling. If you were vaping mouth to lung with your old setup, and tried to do the same with the new sub ohm setup, it can lead to a very harsh hit.


Like i said before, do what you are comfortable with, but if done the right you may prefer a sub ohm vape, or you may not. Sub ohming is very popular right now on these forums, but isn't the only way to go. If you want to give it one more shot, try your daughters 0 nic with a direct lung inhale at a lower wattage than last time, and go from there.

Good luck.

 

[TheRac25]

maybe try TC, from what ive experienced its alot smoother

 

[edyle]

Hey guys, this was just something I wanted to discuss with more experience vapers. I have COPD and did great with a istick and aerotank V2, but when I got the Kanger Subox mini kit, I coughed so bad I had to put it down and trade back with my daughter who does zero nic and has great lungs. I had some great folks try and help me and switched to a 1.5 coil lowered my nic from 12 to 6 and that worked for a few days but then the coughing started again. I've decided that sub ohm is just not for me.

I've only been vaping since August 7, 2015. I haven't smoked since that date but the sub ohm was a huge deterrent for me. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

1: You started vaping since Aug 2015, and it's now Oct; you did great with istick and aerotank v2.
So how about just stick with the istick and aerotank v2?

The first few months can be a roller coaster ride as your body adjusts and your lungs are clearing out, so it doesn't help to complicate things if you already have a setup that works during the first few months at least.

2: don't be fooled by 'sub ohm'; it's really just two words. Pay more attention to wattage.
For example if you are vaping 6mg nic, then my guess is you are vaping at 10 to 20 watts.
When you were vaping 12mg nic, your were probably vaping at more like 5 to 10 watts.

 

[EBates]

To further what edyle said, I also noted when I switched from pt and nautilus tanks vaping at 7 watts to a kayfun RTA with a 2.5 ohm coil that I had to lower my nic/ml from 18 to 10. I believe this is due to using a more efficient tank. I would suspect that switching from an aerotank to a subtank may have a similar effect.

 

[Bootiewootsy]

I have been off the stinkies for over a year. Bought an ego kit and never touched one again. Now I have several tanks and mods, I also have asthma since childhood. I started out with 2.5 ohms, then went to 1.8. Now I enjoy the 1.8 and really am into flavor instead of huge clouds. If I use zero nic I can sub vap, but really don't enjoy it.. Glad it is there for those who enjoy it, but I will stick to what I enjoy. Congrats on quitting and just vap at whatever you find keeps you off the cigs...

 

[justagurlinseattle]

Yup, I would echo the other comments here. If your Aerotank is working and you are happy with it, there is nothing to fix. If you want to try a different tank, you could look at the Aspire Nautilus Mini, which is a great tank for Mouth to Lung vaping.

Aspire Nautilus Mini.. Can you please help me on this?

I just ordered a Kangxin Mini VF 50W Mod
also, ordered a Cloupor Mini 30 W

I am totally clueless on what I need to buy, to go with these.... I started a thread, but
not getting much help, other than what battery I need... which was very helpful,
I just need to learn more about the other things I need.

I was thinking about the Aspire Nautilus Mini... But, I don't know anything about it..

There are so many different types of tanks and clearomizers and glassomizers.. etc.. etc..
there is sub ohm... and 1.8 ohm... etc.. etc... I don't even know what coils are, and if I will need to buy any.
I am just totally lost on what I need to buy.

I am kind of a wimp... I don't like a strong throat hit.. I mostly want smooth flavor, a LOT of flavor and medium
amount of vapor.
I am starting to order 6mg and 0 nic e-juices. most of them are 50vg/ 50pg
some are 40pg/ 60vg...

 

[justagurlinseattle]

I only have a couple sub-ohm tanks with .5 ohm coils, but I know for SURE the very maximum nic I can handle in those is 6 mg. If I was trying to vape anything higher, I'd cough up my shoes. I don't do doctors, so I don't know what THEY would have said, but I probably have (or had?) COPD, too. I'd cough when the air was too cold, couldn't smoke at anything less than 45 degrees (no smoking outside in the winter), and couldn't breathe without coughing, even without a cigarette, at below zero (I'm using Farhenheit temps). So maybe I was as bad as you, maybe I was worse, maybe not. All I'm saying is if you want to keep trying the sub-ohm, lower your nic level, or even use zero nic juice in that tank. Save it for your unwind/relaxation time. That's what I do. I have some zero nic juice I made to use in the evenings, and some 3 mg to use during the day. I can handle up to 6 mg nic in it, but I end up with a pounding heart (adrenaline/nic rush) if I vape on it too frequently. And with the smaller, mouth to lung tanks (I have Protanks mostly), I normally use 15 or 16 mg nic juice. Just to give you a comparison.

~Lannie

I was a HEAVY smoker.... Marlboro Red 100s, OVER 2 packs a day.. Funny thing though,
I find that I don't like the higher nic in my e-juice. at first I ordered 18..
But, lately, I have been ordering 6 and 0 Nic juice.

If I use the 1.8 too much at night, I can't sleep and I get heart palps..

 

[Grimwald]

For me it's not really about subohm but individual tanks. I don't tolerate the subtank well. Even at low watts on the smallest air hole and a more narrow tip, it just slams me with vapor and heat. IMO it's made more for straight to lung which I can't do.

On the other hand, an Ego One tank works for me even with subohm coils (I prefer the 1.0 ohm coils tho).

 

[ENAUD]

Hey guys, this was just something I wanted to discuss with more experience vapers. I have COPD and did great with a istick and aerotank V2, but when I got the Kanger Subox mini kit, I coughed so bad I had to put it down and trade back with my daughter who does zero nic and has great lungs. I had some great folks try and help me and switched to a 1.5 coil lowered my nic from 12 to 6 and that worked for a few days but then the coughing started again. I've decided that sub ohm is just not for me.

I've only been vaping since August 7, 2015. I haven't smoked since that date but the sub ohm was a huge deterrent for me. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

I was a very heavy smoker for many years, see my sig line, I can't handle high VG and I can't handle sub-ohm vaping. If you really like the Subtank, you could use a different coil in it

that is mine running these:
https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/rep...pire-bdc-replacement-coil-heads-5pk-9763.html

I'm using the 1.8Ω Aspire BVC coils at 3.8-4 volts.

I have also used Kanger ProTank 2 coils in the Subtank, and you may be able to get your Aerotank coils to fit, seal, and fire in your Subtank. You,ll want to keep the watts to about 7-8. Good luck to you, and no need for more vapor or higher watt vaping if what your doing was working out for you.

 

[edyle]

I was a HEAVY smoker.... Marlboro Red 100s, OVER 2 packs a day.. Funny thing though,
I find that I don't like the higher nic in my e-juice. at first I ordered 18..
But, lately, I have been ordering 6 and 0 Nic juice.

If I use the 1.8 too much at night, I can't sleep and I get heart palps..

yup that sort of thing used to happen to me too the first few months; had to make an effort to not vape or lower the strength or else I couldn't sleep

 

[navigator2011]

I was a very heavy smoker for many years, see my sig line, I can't handle high VG and I can't handle sub-ohm vaping. If you really like the Subtank, you could use a different coil in it

that is mine running these:
https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/rep...pire-bdc-replacement-coil-heads-5pk-9763.html

I'm using the 1.8Ω Aspire BVC coils at 3.8-4 volts.

I have also used Kanger ProTank 2 coils in the Subtank, and you may be able to get your Aerotank coils to fit, seal, and fire in your Subtank. You,ll want to keep the watts to about 7-8. Good luck to you, and no need for more vapor or higher watt vaping if what your doing was working out for you.

I tired this with new Aspire coils, that the shaft in the Subtank didn't want to go into the top of the coil--was metal on metal.

 

[ENAUD]

I tired this with new Aspire coils, that the shaft in the Subtank didn't want to go into the top of the coil--was metal on metal.

Yes, but it will create a seal, I've been vaping this setup for over two weeks now without issue. I did add a silicon cup from a PT2 coil as a buffer seal, but had zero issues using those coils without it there.

 

[dhood]

I use mostly Kayfuns for my vaping. In that type of tank I use 10-12 mg nic juices and vape around 15.5 watts. In my subtank minis I generally have .5-.7 ohm coils and have to back down to 6 mg juices and run the subtanks at around 20-22.5 watts. I recently got a Velocity RDA and in that I also run .7 ohm dual coils at 50 watts and have to back down to 3mg juice. The Kayfuns are my regular tanks. All mouth to lung and lots of flavor. You'll need to keep the nic level in line with the power you're delivering. Lower ohms, more power, more vapor, less nic. It's a balancing act. You'll find it.