Could these be real VTC5'S?

[SteakAndEggs]

I heard about this a couple days ago.. looked into it today & it's true, vapordna has VTC5'S in stock. But is this even possible?
Here's a link..
Sony VTC5 18650 30A 2600 mAh IMR Battery

vapordna is a legitimate site & are known for high quality products (although I've never ordered personally I've heard good things)
Anyway, I probably wouldn't order anyway because I just ordered 3 samsungs and I don't really need that 30 amp limit for the builds i do, but I'm just wondering. . . They claimed these are "new" and I know that's impossible so... any input?

 

[alicewonderland]

there have been a few sites that are listing new vtc5's in stock, havent heard anything about where they came from though.

 

[stevegmu]

Considering they are no longer in production, could be old stock, which probably isn't good when it comes to batteries...

 

[Thrasher]

I would trust them, even busardo found some, and several well known dealers have gotten stock recently

 

[WonderDude32]

As soon as the announcement went out, all the big vendors ordered whatever was left. Very few local shops will have them unless they have a hook up. I have never ordered from them and I've only heard good things so I would do it.

 

[beckdg]

Considering they are no longer in production, could be old stock, which probably isn't good when it comes to batteries...

Again with skipping the details.

Sony outsourced and stopped production.

So yeah, Sony no longer makes them... or vtc4 or vtc3 for that matter.

I just ordered 2 vtc5, 2 25R and 2 he4 from illumination supply. We'll see how it goes.

Tapatyped

 

[Froth]

It's worth mentioning because it seems to be so widely relayed, the Sony VTC5 was never certified for more than 20A continuous by Sony. There is NO Sony datasheet showing a single VTC5 being discharged at anything over 20A. The 30A misnomer comes from the assumption that the VTC4 being 30A means the VTC5 must be 30A, which is false. Yes, the VTC5 has been tested to 30A by outside testers and does work(as do many other 20A batteries at 30A) but it's worth noting that it will reach temperatures of over 100C with a constant 30A discharge.

The price alone makes these worthless to me, more than double the price of a pair for some Samsung 25R, which you would be hard pressed to ever tell apart during use. I've still got four VTC5's from the initial release which have fewer than 20 charge cycles on them, and I really don't use them because of how well the 25R performs for my usage.

 

[beckdg]

It's worth mentioning because it seems to be so widely relayed, the Sony VTC5 was never certified for more than 20A continuous by Sony. There is NO Sony datasheet showing a single VTC5 being discharged at anything over 20A. The 30A misnomer comes from the assumption that the VTC4 being 30A means the VTC5 must be 30A, which is false. Yes, the VTC5 has been tested to 30A by outside testers and does work(as do many other 20A batteries at 30A) but it's worth noting that it will reach temperatures of over 100C with a constant 30A discharge.

The price alone makes these worthless to me, more than double the price of a pair for some Samsung 25R, which you would be hard pressed to ever tell apart during use. I've still got four VTC5's from the initial release which have fewer than 20 charge cycles on them, and I really don't use them because of how well the 25R performs for my usage.

It's also worth noting that the vtc5 is the very clear winner on any discharge curve over 20 amps and has a slight advantage at 20 amps. (Over all of 18650 cells)

Also worth noting that no vaper vapes continuously and the temperatures garnered by the vtc5 apply only to a short or a stuck button (whether caused by negligence, chance or stuffed purse) for our purposes.

Tapatyped

 

[sonicbomb]

VTC5s seem to attained this mythical Unicorn-like status, I will stick with my 4s. The shipping to the UK is pretty steep too.

 

[Froth]

It's also worth noting that the vtc5 is the very clear winner on any discharge curve over 20 amps and has a slight advantage at 20 amps. (Over all of 18650 cells)

I would debate that, there are numerous tests showing the VTC5 being trumped by the 25R for certain discharge levels, especially very high drain(30A+) It is only when they reach 3.00V during a continuous drain that the VTC5 passes the 25R, and as you pointed out we don't continuously fire during vaping...the initial voltage of the 25R is higher as seen below with less sag which would indicate a lower internal resistance in the 25R.

And Here's an independent test with the 25R ahead entirely at 25A, with a pulsed "vaping usage" style test.

Even with that information, I still make my own decision on using the 25R by testing which battery reliably gives me more voltage across the posts at the resistances I vape at, and I log how long they last and at what voltage they are resting at when removed when vape quality drops off. Honestly it's not by much, but at high amperage drain the 25R lasts longer for me without getting nearly as hot as the VTC5 does and I reliably get better performance from them for longer. Individual results may vary, I suppose.

 

[Completely Average]

Sony has recently started shipping VTC5s again. I know of a VERY reliable battery seller (NOT a vape shop) that only deals directly with manufacturers, never with 3rd party resellers, and they recently received a shipment of VTC5s directly from Sony.

 

[SleeZy]

Sony has recently started shipping VTC5s again. I know of a VERY reliable battery seller (NOT a vape shop) that only deals directly with manufacturers, never with 3rd party resellers, and they recently received a shipment of VTC5s directly from Sony.

So sony must've changed their minds then? If they did i could see why. Ever since vaping got popular they're selling out everywhere realy fast.
I doubt their sales was this high before the vaping came along.

 

[stevegmu]

VTC5s seem to attained this mythical Unicorn-like status, I will stick with my 4s. The shipping to the UK is pretty steep too.

All the cool kids have to have them, like Pluid...

 

[Will P.C.]

IMO, the Samsung 25r are the best on the market right now. I have both the VTC4 and 5 and they are in a drawer. The 25r's seem to last longer for my use. The Sony's would have to be twice as good for me to pay 12 bucks a piece.

 

[six]

There is NO Sony datasheet showing a single VTC5 being discharged at anything over 20A. The 30A misnomer comes from the assumption that the VTC4 being 30A means the VTC5 must be 30A, which is false.

The current datasheet only indicates 20A capacity tests. That's revision .2 from august 2013. Google is less than helpful finding accurate VTC5 stuff because of so much interest from vapers and so many conversations about the VTC5... but if you're really ambitious, you might be able to track down the non-revised data sheet from January 2013, the C rating was listed at 12 and capacity at 30A discharge was listed at 2512.

 

[beckdg]

I would debate that, there are numerous tests showing the VTC5 being trumped by the 25R for certain discharge levels, especially very high drain(30A+) It is only when they reach 3.00V during a continuous drain that the VTC5 passes the 25R, and as you pointed out we don't continuously fire during vaping...the initial voltage of the 25R is higher as seen below with less sag which would indicate a lower internal resistance in the 25R.

And Here's an independent test with the 25R ahead entirely at 25A, with a pulsed "vaping usage" style test.

Even with that information, I still make my own decision on using the 25R by testing which battery reliably gives me more voltage across the posts at the resistances I vape at, and I log how long they last and at what voltage they are resting at when removed when vape quality drops off. Honestly it's not by much, but at high amperage drain the 25R lasts longer for me without getting nearly as hot as the VTC5 does and I reliably get better performance from them for longer. Individual results may vary, I suppose.

I see illumination supply. What other sources you got?

I mean, I'd trust a reliable vendor such as them to find authentics, but maybe not their testing results without good reason.

Tapatyped