Could use some help with my Z-atty Pro

[jazon1]

ok ive had my z atty pro for a few days now and so far im just not seeing what all the hype about them is about so far so im assuming im doing something wrong....

first coil that came pre installed, i played with the coils to get them to all glow evenly, filled it up and fired it a few times to get some juice to oxidize the wire a bit then took a few hits with it tipped with the wick on the bottom.first hit or two was pretty good then started to get a metallic flavor drained the tank fired it a few times til it was glowing and tinkered with the coil again to be sure it was firing evenly with no hot spots looked fine so filled it back up took some more hits and still tasted funny but decided to stick with it for a tank or two to let it break in....nothing changed if anything it tasted worst so today i re wicked/coiled it.

second wick/coil i did a 5-6 wrap thinking that maybe the 1.6 ohms was to low for it so made this one 2.2 ohms so far have put about a half a tank through it but still not what i was hopping for flavor wise and so far im liking silica wicks better for flavor, but considering that practically everyone says that these Z-attys have better flavor then about anything out there im guessing im missing something any ideas? im using the zap on a provari 2.5 with voltage at 4.5v for the 2.2 ohm coil and was using the 1.6 coil at 4.0v and the juice is 75%pg 25%vg.

my next attempt at a coil im thinking of pulling the insulator out and making a thicker mesh wick with maybe a thin silica wick down the center and small piece of rolling paper were the insulator was and just wrap the coil how i have been,not to tight not to loose,mesh well oxidized and checked for hot spots and shorts, you guys think of anything im missing or any ideas why my juice is tasting so bad? so far both juices have contained citrus one was cherry limeade and the other was grape lemonade (my own DIY flavors i like here latly) is it possible that mesh does not agree with citrus flavors maybe or am i just doing something wrong?

 

[Rymarski]

I tried the wicks that came with the ZAP and wasn't impressed with them. Buy yourself some 500 ss mesh or more mesh in general be it 325 or 400. The mesh that comes with the zap is short. There is not alot of mesh in those pre-oxidized wicks.

I had the same problem but ended up putting in some 500 ss mesh and now am vaping with great flavor. You do have to break the wick in but make sure you oxidize it properly and get the coils nicely setup. It takes a bit of tinkering but once you get the mesh right and coil setup down, you will have great flavor.

My next venture will be to get some 28 g kanthal and try to wrap a thicker wick. Seems like everyone here enjoys the low res setups for quick response time, vapor, and flavor. I've also been reading about ribbon kanthal but I'm not quite there yet.

I also am vaping fruity flavors, some being citrus based and am loving it so far.

I thought the ZAP with the provari would be my ultimate vape but now am also considering getting a mech mod or pure hybrid mod. It just never ends!

 

[Rule62]

It might just be luck of the draw. I don't know. I have 3 ZAPs running with the factory installed wicks and coils. I haven't changed them out, because I've had no reason to. All 3 of mine came in with 2.0 ohm coils. Frankly, I was surprised how thin they were, when I first saw them; but mine vape extremely well. They vape on par with my DIDs, Cobras, and Bliss. I suppose I'll eventually remove the insulator, when the time comes to re wick them, and put in bigger wicks. But for now, I have no complaints with them.

 

[Rymarski]

It might just be luck of the draw. I don't know. I have 3 ZAPs running with the factory installed wicks and coils. I haven't changed them out, because I've had no reason to. All 3 of mine came in with 2.0 ohm coils. Frankly, I was surprised how thin they were, when I first saw them; but mine vape extremely well. They vape on par with my DIDs, Cobras, and Bliss. I suppose I'll eventually remove the insulator, when the time comes to re wick them, and put in bigger wicks. But for now, I have no complaints with them.

Yea the pre-installed wicks aren't anything horrible. I think my main problem with the initial setup was the wick not wicking my juice properly. This could have been fixed with a little distilled water for the 100% VG liquid I was using.

Again, the 500 ss mesh I am now using is doing wonders. My next venture will be to roll a fatter wick without the insulator like you said. I really am curious though as to how much of a difference I will see with a fatter wick. I still have plenty of 32 g wire to use so 28 g will be my next setup for quicker response time. Seems like the 32 g just takes a little longer to heat up, which I believe is the correct response.

 

[jazon1]

yea i got a foot or 400 mesh in today with a spool of 32g wire and a aga-t i made up a coil for the aga-t on some of the 400 mesh and it tasted great, i unwrapped one of the mesh wicks that came with the z-atty and it was only like a 1/2 wide sheet so not much material there for wicking im gana guess that was my problem,tomorrow when i have some time ill make up a few fatter wicks for the Z-atty if they work half as good as this aga-t is working im sure ill love it.

 

[donnah]

It might just be luck of the draw. I don't know. I have 3 ZAPs running with the factory installed wicks and coils. I haven't changed them out, because I've had no reason to. All 3 of mine came in with 2.0 ohm coils. Frankly, I was surprised how thin they were, when I first saw them; but mine vape extremely well. They vape on par with my DIDs, Cobras, and Bliss. I suppose I'll eventually remove the insulator, when the time comes to re wick them, and put in bigger wicks. But for now, I have no complaints with them.

This has been my experience also. Mine has been going for a couple weeks now (with the installed wick and coil that came on it) just fine. Great flavor, vapor and very consistent. It's extremely heavy but I'm very very happy with it.

 

[varivapr]

I could not get the stock wick/coil to perform well in my ZAP. Just did not have enough material to hold enough liquid to take anything more than a little toot at a low wattage without drying out. I removed the insulator and rolled a thick walled fat wick and a new braided 32g coil and dry burns have vanished and vaper production improved x10. The ZAP has imo the same performance potential as most gennys. its all about setup

 

[Rymarski]

I could not get the stock wick/coil to perform well in my ZAP. Just did not have enough material to hold enough liquid to take anything more than a little toot at a low wattage without drying out. I removed the insulator and rolled a thick walled fat wick and a new braided 32g coil and dry burns have vanished and vaper production improved x10. The ZAP has imo the same performance potential as most gennys. its all about setup

Thanks varivapr for the input. I can't wait to try a thicker rolled mesh without the insulator in. Right now though my 500 ss mesh that I rolled with the insulator is vaping perfectly. Hopefully once this wick dies out or the coil pops I will try this suggestion.

 

[jazon1]

thanks for all your opinions,once im a little more awake i will role up a fatty wick for my Z-atty and report back how it worked out for me

 

[jazon1]

ok made new wick today after pulling out the insulator its now working tons better i guess the pre installed wicks just didnt have enough material to keep up with the size hits im used to or something,but im now getting great big flavorful hits from it just what i was looking for when i bought it, now i just wish they made a slightly shorter one so i could stick it on a mini provari and have a smaller device

 

[Azphat12]

Here is my ZAP on a v2.5 Provari Mini



28g Kanthal A-1
1.2ohm coil
4.1 volts

I removed the insulator.
Rolled a 40x80mm semi-tight wick. (used a small paperclip to leave a tiny center)
Torched once prior to roll (no quench)
Rolled semi tight and folded over the last bit to give a nice crease.
I used a nail in the wick hole and wrapped my 28g tight around it.
Low voltage fired the coil a few times. Looked good
I took VG and coated my wick...burned off with lighter. Did this 4 times.
Then I simply took the wick...and insert it. It was too tight....so I rolled it the opposite way to loosen it.
Took a minute to get the wick perfect...needs to very lightly grip onto the coils so it doesnt slide down.
But not too much where you need force to put it through.
After adjusting it some...I coated it with VG once more and burned it off.

No errors and vapes great.

 

[jazon1]

the Zap looks pretty good on a mini but looks almost as long as the mini itself,think im gana search around for a smaller rebuildable for the mini im going order,there must be something a little more compact with maybe a 2ml tank in it.

 

[BuzzKilla]

The problem with a ZAP, is that it sits on top of a provari.

put a 1.1 ohm coil on there , and twist it on a mechanical mod.
only then will you understand the hype. behind a Geni....

I'm not hating on the Provari, i just think that it is not the most ideal combination....

cant say much about the premade wicks... But i have yet to meet one person that thinks they are any good.

 

[varivapr]

The problem with a ZAP, is that it sits on top of a provari.

put a 1.1 ohm coil on there , and twist it on a mechanical mod.
only then will you understand the hype. behind a Geni....

I'm not hating on the Provari, i just think that it is not the most ideal combination....

cant say much about the premade wicks... But i have yet to meet one person that thinks they are any good.

What is the advantage you can gain from a mechanical over a vv that will produce a better vape? All opinions aside and speaking purely from fact

 

[BuzzKilla]

What is the advantage you can gain from a mechanical over a vv that will produce a better vape? All opinions aside and speaking purely from fact

Have you tried it?

from PERSONAL experience, i have yet to get the same vape that i get from a mechanical with a PROPERLY set up genisis wrapped to 1.1ohms....
no matter the ohm range, no matter the volt/watt range. you just wont get the same vape...

There is no suck thing as pure fact, when it comes to vaping. It is ALWAYS personal experience and preference based on those experiences.

Until you have had enough vape time with both types of mods, opinions will always be one sided.
I've been around long enough to know where to spend my money

The provari is a good mod, i'm not arguing that.
BUT if you want to use a geni, there are better mods suited for the job.

 

[varivapr]

To each their own. I am considering a mid to high end mechanical and would like to know where the differences are from a vv. Just weighing options and would like to know what to expect. I just don't understand the difference as of right now so I will just do some more investigating. X# of volts at X# of ohms to me seems like it would be the same regardless of vv of mechanical but maybe i'm missing something. I agree it is all personal preference but the numbers don't lie and give me a basis to compare to.

 

[BuzzKilla]

This is what i have gathered from my vaping experience...

All VV/VW mods have amperage limitations, but the battery itself can handle a higher amp draw.
The latest Provari is limited to 3.5Amps.. which is pretty high, but naked AW IMR 18650 can easily triple that. Even though i would never recomend it, because tou would just pop coils...
Because of this, as long as the mechanical mod is made of a good quality material that wont restrict current, you can take full advantage of that.

The higher the amps, the hotter you can get that vape... and due to the nature of the genisis, with its really large air chamber, a hot vape is almost necessary.

Some guys run as low as 0.7ohm coils on a mechanical with a geni tank... and that is impossible with a provari, as the safeties prevent you from hitting it that low.

On the subject of high end mechanical mods, go with what has a low internal resistance. I like my Precise, but have just recently put it aside in favour of my Caravela . In my opinion, brass is the way to go!

Give it a shot! you would be surprised by the outcome.

 

[Beretta]

What is ss mesh wick?

Where is this insulator on my Z-Atty-Pro, and why would I want to remove it?

 

[Azphat12]

The insulator is a small piece of plastic (or like material) inside the wick hole of the ZAP.
It is used to insulate the SS Mesh away from the steel of the wick hole....

I remove it because using it greatly reduces the size of the wick you can insert into that hole.
The premade wicks are tiny.... they did vape ok.... but when I chain vape they just cant keep up.
On the other hand....taking it out allows me to almost triple the size of the wick....which keeps up with my chain vaping.
If you setup your ZAP/Wick correctly....you do NOT need the insulator.
If you are new to a genesis....it could make your life easier until you learn to work without it.

 

[jazon1]

when i removed my first factory wick it was slightly melted into that isolator that was all i needed to know for me to decide i would be removing it,i vape to get away from inhaling as many possible hazardous things as i can,dont really want to be inhaling any melting plastic fumes.