Could Vamping become adiction

[mkbilbo]

Yes, but I think you are exaggerating the need for the nicotine, it's the routine that is addictive more than anything. The nicotine effect is so small that it can easily be removed from vaping if the user wants. So getting back to the topic of the thread, there is nothing to worry about in regards to a non smoker using an e-cig with nicotine because the nicotine isn't addictive enough to make them want to do it.

That's a big gamble you're taking there. We're not able to predict how an individual will react to any potentially addictive substance. Most "addicts" are the minority of a given population (of folks who "try" something or other even over a period of time). I knew a guy who did opiates, liked them, did them a lot, and walked away when he got older. According to the drug warriors, that isn't supposed to happen. But it does. With any and all street drugs.

We don't yet know how addictive anything will be for a particular individual until they show up addicted. Only then can we say, "yeah, that stuff us addictive for you". Eventually we may understand our biology well enough to do individual prediction but at this point can only talk odds from population studies.

And given that 0 nic is as readily available as liquids with nic, why take the risk your individual genetics and biology predispose you to a nicotine addiction?

 

[NealBJr]

Yes, but I think you are exaggerating the need for the nicotine, it's the routine that is addictive more than anything. The nicotine effect is so small that it can easily be removed from vaping if the user wants. So getting back to the topic of the thread, there is nothing to worry about in regards to a non smoker using an e-cig with nicotine because the nicotine isn't addictive enough to make them want to do it.

I tend to disagree with you. But Nicotine is addictive. Evidence is in the people who use nicotine gum as a weight loss method. Many are non smokers who use nicotine gum to curb their diets... and they become addicted to it. It is well known that nicotine IS addictive and addictive enough to have some difficulties in quitting. To say there is nothing to worry about in regards to a non smoker using an e-cig with nicotine is a false statement.. there should be something to be concerned about.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Or well explain why other NRT doesn't work, many people here have tried other options with no success yet vaping works this makes no sense if it's because of nicotine addiction.

According to statistics vaping works with the same effect as other NRT methods. Vaping worked for members ECF, its for sure.

 

[bullet08]

i would think if nicotine is so addictive, patches and gums should have worked for me. but they didn't. i think the whole addiction to smoking was more than the nicotine. i'm sure nicotine has a big part in the whole thing, but for me, at least, it was more of physical/habitual addition of inhaling and exhaling smoke.. along with stress that i'm dealing with that the time. smoking felt much better when i had to calm down. the inhaling and exhaling help me to breath in deep and exhale also relieving the stress i was feeling.

once i moved on to vaping, i had no desire to go back to smoking.. until i ran out of battery, and work was getting intense..

 

[Alien Traveler]

I tend to disagree with you. But Nicotine is addictive. Evidence is in the people who use nicotine gum as a weight loss method. Many are non smokers who use nicotine gum to curb their diets... and they become addicted to it. It is well known that nicotine IS addictive and addictive enough to have some difficulties in quitting. To say there is nothing to worry about in regards to a non smoker using an e-cig with nicotine is a false statement.. there should be something to be concerned about.

I made your important statement in bold.
Unfortunately vaping industry is behind "nicotine is not addictive" statement. It make every effort to attract new users. It is already pretty well-developed industry and many vapers still do not understand that customers and manufacturers have different agendas.

 

[Robino1]

Interesting documentary video in this thread

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-documentary-can-ecigarettes-save-lives.html

 

[Alien Traveler]

Interesting documentary video in this thread

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-documentary-can-ecigarettes-save-lives.html

Yes, they can, but its off-topic.

 

[dice57]

umm, well with some, it's a mater of not Y.E.T., or Your Eligible Too.

Nic addict??? not so much, mod and rba addict acquirer?? yeah, middlin to strong possibility. Tis easier to slowly curb the nic habit with vape, and work ones way down to nc Zero, if that's one objective. What's hard is looking at something like the Gus Estia 510 rba, understanding it's potential, and not paying the Greek equivalent of whatever the 130 Euros works out to be, plus shipping

Nahh, addiction is not the issue, Obsessive Compulsive disorder would be closer to the mark. or Not

Vape long and Prosper.!!!!

 

[Robino1]

Yes, they can, but its off-topic.

If you watch the video, they do talk a bit about this topic.

 

[skoony]

According to statistics vaping works with the same effect as other NRT methods. Vaping worked for members ECF, its for sure.

don't tell the British.
Evidence builds that e-cigarettes help smokers quit - Health & wellness - The Boston Globe
Can E-Cigarettes Help You Quit Smoking?

regards
mike

 

[skoony]

i have posted some what to this here and more fully in other posts.
what we have to do is define what we mean by addiction.
when i think of addiction and what congress most certainly thought
about addiction is that habit that causes harm to ones self and others
is addiction.
Definition of ADDICTION

: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as ......, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmful—compare habituation.
Addiction - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster

the last part is the most important. with out it cigarettes and booze could never
have been regulated.
if cigarette smoking was harmless we wouldn't be having this conversation.
because of its harm is precisely why congress authorized the FDA to regulate
tobacco.
now if we compare vaping to smoking in terms of its potential to harm i believe
we can say its relatively harmless. current science indicates vaping to be 98%
plus or minus 1% safer than smoking. statistically that means its as about as
safe as your tap water can be guaranteed to be. there is not one thing that can be said
to be 100% safe. even clean spring air can kill you if you have a severe allergic reaction
to may flowers blooming.
my point is it doesn't matter if nicotine is addictive or not. if vaping does not harm you,
its not an addiction if it doesn't conform to the above definition.
this is a very important distinction. this is why the sudden ANTZ war cry concerning
nicotine being the most addictive substance in the universe and how it will enslave
all our chillin'. they know nicotine is relatively benign. the FDA has said as much
by saying NRT's are safe for the user and harmless to non-users. it is also why
you don't need a prescription for many NRT's.
let us not be fooled by the addition boogie man. its a straw dog that can only
be used against us if we don't understand what is meant by addiction in terms
of what it really means and how and why its regulated.
that is why i say vaping isn't addicting,merely habit forming.
let them prove the harm it causes.

regards
mike

 

[DaveOno]

Bumping the Original Post...

One of my big concerns is if someone start vaping will this person become nicotine addict or something like that.

Most people starting vaping are already addicted to Nicotine. But it's a "purer" nicotine addiction, without all the other garbage in burning cigarettes. And the vaper has total control over the levels.

The vaper decides on the concentration. And they can take 1 puff an hour, or one a minute.

And gang, it is pointless (but entertaining) to lay a blanket statement about addiction. It is an individual thing. Take gambling, drinking, pr0n, chocolate, facebook. Some of us have no problems with this, but for others, it's very addictive. (For a few, tragically addictive.)

So to answer the OP, Maybe. All I know is I am. But managing it nicely, thank you very much!

 

[VapinWolf]

From medical research nicotine and caffeine have the same effects in humans. Increase in alertness, mental focus, heart rate (varies in individual), etc. It is not a short list.
Addiction varies in individual as well.
I know I am addicted to both. If I lower my caffeine intake I vape more, when I raise my caffeine intake I vape less. My body doesn't care which drug it gets, just that it gets one or the other (but it craves both).
When smoking I have held a cigarette for over an hour having forgot to light it due to outside events. I drank 3 caffeine drinks all while 'smoking' the un-lit cigarette.
That brings up the psychological hand to mouth physical (both with smoking and vaping)

Well, for me, I see the addiction. With Nicotine, Caffeine, and habitual movements and gestures.

YMMV, depends on the individual

 

[Oliver]

Perhaps controversially, Professor Jean-Francois Etter said at the 2013 E-Cigarette Summit that e-cigarettes need to become "more addictive" in order to satisfy smokers better.

"They can improve, I think, in particular by delivering more nicotine and more quickly and being more addictive, they will be also more effective, and this will come from control of the pH, like the controversy of Marlboro cigarettes and ammonia like twenty or thirty years ago."

Link: http://vaping.com/science/e-cigarette-summit-qa-session-2

 

[Alien Traveler]

Perhaps controversially, Professor Jean-Francois Etter said at the 2013 E-Cigarette Summit that e-cigarettes need to become "more addictive" in order to satisfy smokers better.

"They can improve, I think, in particular by delivering more nicotine and more quickly and being more addictive, they will be also more effective, and this will come from control of the pH, like the controversy of Marlboro cigarettes and ammonia like twenty or thirty years ago."

Link: http://vaping.com/science/e-cigarette-summit-qa-session-2

For smokers - it could work.
But - returning to OP question - does it have to be addictive for new vapers (previously non-smokers)?
I strongly believe NO. I strongly believe pushing nicotine on new vapers is immoral.

 

[Oliver]

For smokers - it could work.
But - returning to OP question - does it have to be addictive for new vapers (previously non-smokers)?
I strongly believe NO. I strongly believe pushing nicotine on new vapers is immoral.

I completely agree. No question - e-cigs are for adult smokers only, and should be sold as such.

But, there are some interesting questions. Firstly, most every expert believes e-cigs will be less addictive than cigarettes for tobacco/nicotine-naive people. SO, if this is the case, someone trying an e-cig where otherwise they would have tried a cigarette may be protected from addiction.

It's what Clive Bates refers to as one of the "interesting beneficial unintended consequences" that need to be considered in counterpoint to the obvious points about nicotine, gateways, renormalization etc.

 

[skoony]

For smokers - it could work.
But - returning to OP question - does it have to be addictive for new vapers (previously non-smokers)?
I strongly believe NO. I strongly believe pushing nicotine on new vapers is immoral.

if one is of legal age and considering the relative harmlessness of vaping
an individual should be able to do what they want.
with out harm there is no addiction.
mike

 

[HauntedMyst]

One of my big concerns is if someone start vaping will this person become nicotine addict or something like that.

Could it become addictive? I can't tell you how many hobos I see on off ramps that now have signs that say "Need money for vaping." I roll op the windows and make an enormous cloud that I let out when I get next to them. Sometimes, I hold a bottle of liquid out the window and make them chase me a couple of blocks before I drop it. My wife says its cruel but I say I am just helping keep them in shape.


FYI, one of the things you notice when you vape is that even if you vape a lot, when you have to be away from it, it doesn't make you crazy for it like cigs did.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I completely agree. No question - e-cigs are for adult smokers only, and should be sold as such.

But, there are some interesting questions. Firstly, most every expert believes e-cigs will be less addictive than cigarettes for tobacco/nicotine-naive people. SO, if this is the case, someone trying an e-cig where otherwise they would have tried a cigarette may be protected from addiction.

It's what Clive Bates refers to as one of the "interesting beneficial unintended consequences" that need to be considered in counterpoint to the obvious points about nicotine, gateways, renormalization etc.

Should teens be supplied with beer so they would not buy whisky?

 

[HauntedMyst]

Should teens be supplied with beer so they would not buy whisky?

No, teens should be given sedatives....and hard labor.