County Bans E-Cigarettes — A Move Too Far in the War on Smoking?

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kristin

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Don't let the news article fool you. This is NOT passed yet! CASAA is issuing a Call to Action in the next few days for County residents to speak (or appear as part of the crowd opposing the ordinance) at the April 9th public comment period and to deluge the Supervisors with written testimony. We could also use someone in the area with media contacts to get this ridiculous ordinance featured in the news. Not only does it ban public e-cig use, but in private residences in multi-unit buildings (2 or more units). So people could be at risk of being "caught" or reported for vaping in their own house and evicted!
 

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Don't let the news article fool you. This is NOT passed yet! CASAA is issuing a Call to Action in the next few days for County residents to speak (or appear as part of the crowd opposing the ordinance) at the April 9th public comment period and to deluge the Supervisors with written testimony. We could also use someone in the area with media contacts to get this ridiculous ordinance featured in the news. Not only does it ban public e-cig use, but in private residences in multi-unit buildings (2 or more units). So people could be at risk of being "caught" or reported for vaping in their own house and evicted!
True ...
There is NO shortage of Control Freak Busy Bodies in America
 

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Hi all --

I Signed up so on that page I could comment and here is mine - in 4 parts because they don't allow
enough room :)

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Beginning with the Title alone -- Yes! -- Banning E-Cigarettes IS a "Move Too Far in the War on
Smoking".

I must agree with a majority of the comments here that this article is the product of a very poor
education about the E-Cigarette, its use, its potential, and the benefits that have been reaped by
million who use them.

Quote: "Smokers who thought that an electronic cigarette was a way around those "no smoking"
signs are about to be disappointed."

This is because of the lack of proper information and education available to people. Most people
immediately assume, simply due to the name alone, that E-"Cigarettes" are essentially the same
or similar to a regular cigarette. This belief is a complete misunderstanding.

Cigarettes produce "Smoke" which is the product of "Burning" a Solid material. When a solid material
burns, it produces smoke that contains matter and materials that turn back into a solid. This is the
reason for the sticky substance left from smoking. Cigarettes contain well over 4000 chemicals, the
majority of which are very dangerous and include poisons and carcinogenic materials.

- continued -

E-Cigarettes produce "Vapor" (Steam) and contain only 4 to 5 ingredients that have previously been
approved by the FDA as "Safe" for human use and consumption. These ingredients include:
1) PG (Propylene Glycol) - used in cake mixes, candy, food flavorings and colorings, asthma inhalers
and other medical products, and fog machines. PG is now being used to replace the hazardous chemical
DEG in Antifreeze because PG cannot harm animals or children.
2) VG (Vegetable Glycerin) - used in a wide variety of foods, medical products, and cosmetics.
3) Food Flavorings - Self Explanatory
4) Distilled Water - Self Explanatory
5) Nicotine - Naturally occurring in a variety of fruits and vegetables, tobacco, and is used in FDA
Approved NRT products.

In a study conducted in Italy (CSA - Clear Stream Air) it was found that e-cig use does NOT have any
"Second Hand" danger while cigarette smoke introduces high levels of toxic materials to the air. Other
independent studies show e-cigarette vapor causes NO HARM to the heart or any long tern adverse
reactions or affects to the user or to anyone around them. Nicotine has also been found to have high
potential in the treatments of Alzheimer's, Depression, Ulcerative Colitis (UC), and a variety of other
illnesses.

The statement "contains nicotene and chemicals similar to a regular cigarette" is a complete misinformation...
The ONLY chemical E-Cigarettes contain similar to a cigarette is the Nicotine.

- continued -

"The Board of Supervisors cited concerns from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that there is very
little information about the safety of e-cigarettes and the affects on bystanders. " --

The whole reason for this is because the FDA has only done ONE study on only 18 samples from only 2
companies and found that ONLY 1 of those samples contained a toxic substance -- But -- They did NOT
disclose ALL of the information.
That toxic substance was in such a low amount (less than 1%) that it could not harm anyone even if
used at length.

"They also sided with Mary Jaccodine, a member of the Tobacco Prevention Coalition, who said that
e-cigarettes threaten to make smoking a social norm once again.They also sided with Mary Jaccodine,
a member of the Tobacco Prevention Coalition, who said that e-cigarettes threaten to make smoking a
social norm once again." --

No one is trying to make Smoking a social norm again...Vaping IS NOT SMOKING and was created as an
"Alternative" to Smoking so people could still satisfy the craving that they got from becoming addicted
to cigarettes in the first place, with something Far Less Harmful with far less hazardous chemicals.

The E-Cigarette, in other words, is merely another alternative to smoking that Reduces the harm caused
by smoking - the same as snus, dissolveables, and NRTs are a form of Alternative Replacement for smoking.

- continued -

I smoked for 34 years and tried everything under the sun to quit and nothing worked. Not one single FDA
approved NRT worked and cost me a fortune so I went back to smoking.

On October 13, 2012, I bought my very first e-cigarette and I have not had a single cigarette since!

I can breathe better, my endurance has improved, my taste has improved, I no longer have a sticky film
on everything and no stench from smoke on my clothes or in my hair. Everyone says my home smells much
better. My wife no longer experiences allergic reactions in our home. I have no fear of burning myself or
anyone else around me, and I don't have to fear burning my home from maybe falling asleep with a lit
cigarette.

Let's put it this way -- By the FDA trying to ban or regulate something that is far better than cigarettes
says only one thing to me -- They are supporting the Cigarette industry by not banning dangerous cigarettes
but trying to ban or regulate a much safer product - AND - they know they could stand to lose millions if
people quit cigarette by using an E-Cig and not buying into their bogus NRT products that simply, Do Not
Work!

Example - Chantix has already been the cause of suicides and deaths and causes mental instability in some
people.
Cigarettes is responsible for over 300000 deaths a year.

To Date - "0" reports of adverse side effects or death from E-Cigs.

I Rest My Case!

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How's That? :)
 

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Also if you've ever seen an e-smoker in a public building you might change your tune. It's a totally strange sight to see somebody taking drags and puffing on something inside of a building and blowing thick white vapor near your dinner table.

People behaving like this aren't helping us any. :(
 

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Also if you've ever seen an e-smoker in a public building you might change your tune. It's a totally strange sight to see somebody taking drags and puffing on something inside of a building and blowing thick white vapor near your dinner table.
People behaving like this aren't helping us any. :(

If it isn't illegal and it's OK with the owner of the business, then how is that bad behavior?

Notice the complaint wasn't that the vapor was physically irritating to his eyes, nose or throat or had an unpleasant smell. It was SEEING vapor. Now we are going to ban people from doing things that are legal and harmless to bystanders that people just don't want to SEE? Are we treating smoke and vapor like porn now? LOL!

I wish I could "unsee" some of the outfits worn by some people at Walmart, but there is nothing that says I have a RIGHT not to have to see them. ;) Offense at seeing something that LOOKS like smoke is an artificial pretense created by the ANTZ. It's part of the whole demonization and ostracization of smokers process. Do we, as vapers, really want to reinforce that idea and transfer it over to ourselves? Yet the same people who complain about this will walk around outside with plumes of smoke everywhere coming from automobiles, restaurant grills, fire pits, home grills and factories, but a little e-cigarette fog offends them to even SEE?
 
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Well yeah but there was a time this wouldn't have been unusual with a cigarette. Everyone babied their children and now there's a world full of whiners. There was an ashtray at the table when I was a kid. It wasn't a big deal
OH, so very very True !!!!!

We came of age in a different time.
It wasn't a perfect world back then ... However, it was a time
of personal choices and responsibility. It was time when few even
heard of the term Nanny State and long before Political Correctness.

No need to go on and on ... Only a few here have such memories.
 

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OH, so very very True !!!!!

We came of age in a different time.
It wasn't a perfect world back then ... However, it was a time
of personal choices and responsibility. It was time when few even
heard of the term Nanny State and long before Political Correctness.

No need to go on and on ... Only a few here have such memories.

Ah Yes! I remember - McDonalds had little golden tin ashtrays with the Arch and name in the middle.


I can also see Kristin's point: "Yet the same people who complain about this will walk around outside with
plumes of smoke everywhere coming from automobiles, restaurant grills, fire pits, home grills and factories,
but a little e-cigarette fog offends them to even SEE? "

Things have gotten way too far out of hand on a lot of issues and they all seem to be the wrong issues...
at least not the ones that matter most -- they are worried about a vapor coming from (and what's in a name)
an "E-Cig" but aren't doing much about belching billows of Hazardous, Atmosphere Changing, Chemical clouds
or Auto and Diesel Emissions, or all the millions of coal and wood burning chimneys in the winter.

Simply put - it is all because if someone likes liver and onions and someone else doesn't, then the one who likes
it is sick or strange or has a problem.
So, if someone who does not smoke thinks no one else should, they will see the Devil himself in a cloud of vapor.
 

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There is no such thing of parenting anymore. People have to understand the consequences of letting our government parent us. Especially our government today. Less and Less freedoms, more and more regulations. Where does the line get drawn?
I fear America may have passed the point of no return.
The majority today are co-dependent on the government providing for them
as well as insisting the government solve their problems for them.

To many ... this is good news to be celebrated.
To others (including myself) ... it's an embarrassment.

By the way ...
Washington isn't going to balance the country's check book.
That would required Real Cuts to have a day in the future
when the debt clock would stop spinning higher. If any
Real cuts are made ... politicians would loose their jobs.
 

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Don't let the news article fool you. This is NOT passed yet! CASAA is issuing a Call to Action in the next few days for County residents to speak (or appear as part of the crowd opposing the ordinance) at the April 9th public comment period and to deluge the Supervisors with written testimony. We could also use someone in the area with media contacts to get this ridiculous ordinance featured in the news. Not only does it ban public e-cig use, but in private residences in multi-unit buildings (2 or more units). So people could be at risk of being "caught" or reported for vaping in their own house and evicted!

I've sent an e-mail to a friend I have in the LA area who has a lot of contacts, so maybe he will be able to help!
 

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.......n these big tobacco puppets!!!

Big Pharma puppets, not Big Tobacco.

The tobacco industry is selling e-cigarettes - it doesn't want them banned. It wants to take over the market - which will cause us different battles down the road.

On the other hand, the social, medical and legal acceptance of e-cigarette use will make the pharmaceutical industries smoking cessation and smoking-related disease drugs and huge sections of the entire anti-tobacco industry nearly obsolete.
 

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While I don't freak out over not being able to vape in restaurants, I do take exception to most other restrictions. I accept the restaurant thing as I do "no shirt, no shoes, no service" rules. I don't personally want to vape in restaurants, stores or airplanes, but am not offended by others doing so. The real problem is overkill, or attempting to impose ridiculous legal bans or restrictions. I can choose whether or not to frequent any establishment, but feel that I, nor anyone else, has the right to force personal preferences upon others. Vapeing is about saving lives and does not threaten other's health. Could anyone prefer tobacco spit as an alternative? Are they more offended than my previous smoking addiction?

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