COVID-19 Relief Bill Senselessly Targets Vapers Shipping via USPS
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When you study and think about it - It makes perfect sense - Just like Prohibition of the early 20th Century - Organized Crime and Government, which has become a form of organized crime, will profit tremendously from the machinations of the control freaks like multi billionaire Mickey Blumborg {SIC} who is one of the movers and shakers of anti-tobacco {and of course vapes} and anti gun legislation. By driving vaping into the underworld of organized crime immense profits are to be made. Mickey Blumborg {SIC} is a racketeer and the politicians who take his money are corrupt down to the bone. Welcome to the new underworld of American tobacco. But NO, I don't blame big tobacco - They, in fact tried to popularize vaping - And much of the so called problem going on is because they became too successful at it. The corruption is government plain and simple - the control freaks in government and their bankers such as Blumborg {SIC] - Ask the Politicians who are now trying to ban postal shipments, and eventually all vaping, where their financing is coming from - Is it all from Mickey Blumborg [SIC] ???
If any of you have money invested in big tobacco or the vaping industry - Maybe you should put it into the marijuana business instead {where legal}- My theory is that a good part of the war on tobacco {and now vaping} is because tobacco helps people think {ie. Albert Einstein {pipe smoker}, and Winston Churchill {cigar smoker}
- The corrupt element in government hates thinkers,
they would rather have a population stoned on weed!!!
If any of you have money invested in big tobacco or the vaping industry - Maybe you should put it into the marijuana business instead {where legal}- My theory is that a good part of the war on tobacco {and now vaping} is because tobacco helps people think {ie. Albert Einstein {pipe smoker}, and Winston Churchill {cigar smoker}
- The corrupt element in government hates thinkers,
they would rather have a population stoned on weed!!!
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I REALLY hate when the federal government gets involved in this crap but it’s 100% to be expected, as more and more people look to the government to ‘take care of them!’ So many Americans have discarded the ethos that we ‘do for ourselves’ and embrace rugged individualism. Instead, they (think) they want the government to take care of everything and somehow flatten out the playing field; rather than only existing to to intervene when individuals, local communities and states can’t figure it out. This type of legislation is the fault and the result of EVERY American (including those that vape) that favors big government, cradle to grave governmental support and the so-called nanny-state!
That said, I don’t think it’s as bad as it could be AND I can see a silver lining.... it does NOT prohibit the transport of e-cigarettes by other carriers and it’s likely to be a benefit to brick and mortar vape shops. UPS, FedEx and other shippers are not effected and in many cases they can be a cheaper shipping option. I know almost all my vaping gear (that I didn’t get at a B&M store) comes with UPS because the USPS doesn’t deliver to lots of rural communities like mine. As to the age-verification requirement... that DOES directly target underage use of vaping products - like MY kids, who I don’t want smoking OR vaping! Sure, it’s an inconvenience but what’s wrong with a little inconvenience? It goes back to the changed American thought process - we’ve become so spoiled that we think we NEED everything to be more and more convenient; instead of embracing a little inconvenience to benefit others.
Most of these inconvenient rules will likely drive vaping consumers (and their business) to B&M stores over all the online retailers that currently dominate the vape market. Yes, this will cause an increase in prices slightly BUT the silver lining is that it may help make B&M stores competitive; which, in turn, will create local jobs and keep more money in local communities. For me, this is a bigger issue of online businesses robbing communities of local small businesses, local jobs and keeping money in the communities. This move just doesn’t trouble EXCEPT that I don’t like the government creating ANY new regulation that isn’t ABSOLUTELY necessary; and this arena/issue does not come even close to clearing that bar. JMO
That said, I don’t think it’s as bad as it could be AND I can see a silver lining.... it does NOT prohibit the transport of e-cigarettes by other carriers and it’s likely to be a benefit to brick and mortar vape shops. UPS, FedEx and other shippers are not effected and in many cases they can be a cheaper shipping option. I know almost all my vaping gear (that I didn’t get at a B&M store) comes with UPS because the USPS doesn’t deliver to lots of rural communities like mine. As to the age-verification requirement... that DOES directly target underage use of vaping products - like MY kids, who I don’t want smoking OR vaping! Sure, it’s an inconvenience but what’s wrong with a little inconvenience? It goes back to the changed American thought process - we’ve become so spoiled that we think we NEED everything to be more and more convenient; instead of embracing a little inconvenience to benefit others.
Most of these inconvenient rules will likely drive vaping consumers (and their business) to B&M stores over all the online retailers that currently dominate the vape market. Yes, this will cause an increase in prices slightly BUT the silver lining is that it may help make B&M stores competitive; which, in turn, will create local jobs and keep more money in local communities. For me, this is a bigger issue of online businesses robbing communities of local small businesses, local jobs and keeping money in the communities. This move just doesn’t trouble EXCEPT that I don’t like the government creating ANY new regulation that isn’t ABSOLUTELY necessary; and this arena/issue does not come even close to clearing that bar. JMO
Vaping360 say's that FedEx will be gone in March.
Congress Will Ban Vape Mail & Force Online Sellers into the PACT Act - Vaping360
Ugh. We're so screwed. Only the federal government could be so dumb as to regulate people away from vaping and back to smoking. Does this affect commercial shipping too (like vape shops receiving inventory) or just residential/consumers? Anyone know?
Well this sucks. They already ban the sale of liquid nicotine where I live, Japan. Flavored juice fine, but no nicotine. But you can import. So I order all of my juice from the US. But there's a 120 ml limit per package. I already pay $15 for shipping alone, that's for 4x30 ml bottles for each package. If I have to use other carriers other than USPS, the prices are going to skyrocket. And that's if my preferred vendor can and is willing to find another shipping method. It's just non-stop with a**holes against any kind of visible vapor coming out of your mouth and others who want to consolidate everything into a couple of companies. Sad really.
What the hell does 5500+ pages of BS have to do with Covid relief for families who have run out of savings, have no job, may be evicted for not paying rent, etc.
Unfortunately, the ones who drafted this travesty have no shame and aren't affected by it. They'll remain rich and connected if bodies start in
Unfortunately, the ones who drafted this travesty have no shame and aren't affected by it. They'll remain rich and connected if bodies start in
As a hobby I study organized crime {ie. Mafia, Yakuza, etc.} - You soon come to realize government creates organized crime - Some might say its incidental - But after awihle you may start thinking its deliberate.
Just saw a film called "Lawless" {2012}
about bootleggers during the infamous "Prohibition" era in America - Good film.
But the 'control freaks' who gave you prohibition have mutated like the disease they are - So they don't make the same mistake of outlawing nicotine altogether - They just make it harder and harder to get and do all they can to keep the cost going up.
Vaping is their main target as it, more than any other form of nicotine use was and is a threat to their paradigm of all tobacco being very harmful and of making sure nicotine, like hard drugs, should be regulated out of existence,
And the real beneficiary of this? Right - organized crime! They say the Yakuza has not been doing well lately iin Japan - Don't worry, our governments are making sure there is a new way for them to profit
- I imagine they will make sure your nicotine and vape products will still be available - you'll just pay a lot more - After all they have to kick back to the politicians who pass these control laws for their benefit !!!
Not sure if other threads are discussing this, but seeing as the bill is now signed, I think of this as big of news as ever in the vaping community. I heard (take anything I convey with grain of salt, do your own research) that Fed-Ex is on board with the mail ban and that UPS is expected to follow. I also heard there's about 90 days from today to stock up on whatever.
I think it'll decimate small vaping businesses. I also thinking if Dems control Senate that propaganda galore will ensue, and that the intention will be to decimate the industry altogether. I could see 2 years from now, there being very few (like 5 at most) businesses that sell products, on the open market. If Dems don't control Senate, I could see it being well over a hundred left in 2 years, but obviously all for local purchases.
And I of course agree with Vapeon4Life in that the black market will soon explode. Gonna suck for the kids in several ways, but the chances of another generation getting hooked on nicotine just went up significantly with this ban. Their (ANTZ) only hope is that their propaganda works. I predict it will be an epic fail.
I think it'll decimate small vaping businesses. I also thinking if Dems control Senate that propaganda galore will ensue, and that the intention will be to decimate the industry altogether. I could see 2 years from now, there being very few (like 5 at most) businesses that sell products, on the open market. If Dems don't control Senate, I could see it being well over a hundred left in 2 years, but obviously all for local purchases.
And I of course agree with Vapeon4Life in that the black market will soon explode. Gonna suck for the kids in several ways, but the chances of another generation getting hooked on nicotine just went up significantly with this ban. Their (ANTZ) only hope is that their propaganda works. I predict it will be an epic fail.
Depends of what you mean by fail? - Prohibition? The war on drugs? are not failures if you are a racketeer
- Just more opportunities to make money, big money.
I have no doubt that various underworld groups from biker gangs to the Mafia are looking at the current situation and planning on how to profit off of it.
Of course so far they haven't outlawed interstate shipping, so legitimate groups may step in for alternative shipping, unless regulations make this prohibitive. The Post Office and other carriers already wll not ship alcoholic beverages - But there are independent shipping companies that will, as long as it is legal in the state they are shipping to.
Of course some state regulations {flavor bans} have been overturned in court - I'm sure the vaping industry is looking at ways to fight the draconian shipping regulations - I'm thinking they might be fought as being unconstitutional ?
So we wont be able to order anything???? Just stuck with the vape shops??? I currently order all of my supplies - vape shops dont tend to have what I want so is there a fix for this???
Money trumps the constitution every time.
The good ones will try to get you what you want/need from their distributor even if the shop doesn't keep the item in stock.
Of course, if independent shipping companies have to be used, the price will be high. Many shops probably won't survive.
Or you can order "metal tubes" & such from China and hope they get through customs.
Or go on holiday in England.
Or take out your credit card now.
My guess is there will be a compromise in which the USPS can deliver, but with an adult signature required. Adds a couple of dollars to the shipping charge.
Or, failing that, a loophole is found. There is always a loophole.
Or, failing that, a loophole is found. There is always a loophole.
My guess is UPS will gladly deliver all vape mail. $$$
Will require adult sig, but larger vendors will get commercial rates and hopefully pass on the savings.
UPS currently delivers tobacco products.
Will require adult sig, but larger vendors will get commercial rates and hopefully pass on the savings.
UPS currently delivers tobacco products.
I know its been discussed elsewhere and I see different opinions, but what is the actual shelf life of most vape liquids ??? - How long before they go bad? - And can you really freeze it to preserver it?- Something tells me it will not taste the same after freezing ???
So you can buy all you want easily now - But how long will it be good for ???
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