customs-clearance of e-liquid
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Cleaning liquids are also lethal if ingested, and they don't come with child proof caps, and come in flavors (lemon and orange).
I think I just had a shipment that has been siezed..about a 100 kits. Its been in customs for 4 days and the other part of the shipment arrived already. Any others out there know how to tell if its been siezed?
SDBird, I think it may be premature to worry about seizure. I just had a shipment come in via EMS, and tracking on the package ended at customs. It looked like it had sat in customs for 3 days, but the next morning, it arrived here safe and sound. A tip for the future, the first e-cig shipment I received was from UPS and it was great - it took about three days total - no record of ever even stopping in customs on the tracking info. You might see if your supplier will use them.
There have been several seizures from UPS:
Reason: NOT LISTED
Section: 502(o), 801(a)(3); MISBRANDING
Charge: It appears the drug or device is not included in a
list required by Section 510(j), or a notice or other
information respecting it was not provided as required by
section 510(j) or 510(k).
Reason: UNAPPROVED
Section: 505(a), 801(a)(3); UNAPPROVED NEW DRUG
Charge: The article appears to be a new drug without an
approved new drug application.
Reason: NOT LISTED
Section: 502(o), 801(a)(3); MISBRANDING
Charge: It appears the drug or device is not included in a
list required by Section 510(j), or a notice or other
information respecting it was not provided as required by
section 510(j) or 510(k).
Reason: UNAPPROVED
Section: 505(a), 801(a)(3); UNAPPROVED NEW DRUG
Charge: The article appears to be a new drug without an
approved new drug application.
The more personal vaporizers and vapor liquids are imported, the more this will happen. There are many things blocked at customs, e-cigs are certainly not the top of the list.
Importers product description: PETROLEUM JELLY
Refusal date: 19-MAR-2009
FDA_District: FLA-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: HTS-0093937-5/3/1/
Carrier: HAPAG LLOYD A G
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED
Importers product description: PONDS FACE CREAM
Refusal date: 10-MAR-2009
FDA_District: SWI-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: AVA-0027667-2/1/1/
Carrier:
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED
Importers product description: PETROLEUM JELLY
Refusal date: 19-MAR-2009
FDA_District: FLA-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: HTS-0093937-5/3/1/
Carrier: HAPAG LLOYD A G
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED
Importers product description: PONDS FACE CREAM
Refusal date: 10-MAR-2009
FDA_District: SWI-DO
Entry/doc/line/sfx: AVA-0027667-2/1/1/
Carrier:
Bill of Lading:
FDA sample analysis: No
FDA record of private lab sample analysis: No
Charge(s): UNAPPROVED
And, sometimes it's simply to do with the lableing and sometimes they just simply get it wrong. A few weeks or so ago I was going through the refusals database and saw where a shipment of PG, packaged for farm use, shipping from Canada to the U.S. had been denied due to being a new, unapproved drug *shaking head*
I heard someone had great success by labeling shipments "electronic gift". Anyone know anything about this?
There have been whimsical lies about shipments in the past (gift, pipe, PVC), but most people I read on this forum now seem to feel this would demand a ban on a shipper or maker. Lying about contents and value is a just another way of stealing. Please don't anyone condone lying about e-products. Shady and questionable shipping practices are not the answer for us. Getting our products legal is.
I'm reposting this because I made a mistake in the original and although I have edited that I feel it's worth posting again to clarify the figures and dangers.
Alan.
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There are thousands of products on open sale that could kill a child and they are not banned (that's not even mentioning guns!!). It's down to safety with regard to packaging and labeling. ALL liquids should be supplied in containers with child resistant closures and should be labeled accordingly, as they are by law in the UK - see CHIP regulations. 30ml of 36mg [1 mg per litre = 1 microgram per ml ] eliquid contains 1080mg of nicotine, 18 times the lethal dose if it was imbibed by mouth. Now does that figure make you stop and think?!
EDIT: If we accept 50mg as a potentially lethal dose, I did get the figures wrong as the LD is per Kg of body weight. So, the LD for a lightweight person of 70kg would be 3500mg (3.5 grammes). Therefore a 30ml bottle of 36mg would represent under a third of the LD. A 100ml bottle however could carry the LD. A 30ml bottle could be fatal to someone with a body weight of 20kg - 44 pounds - a child.
Customs or FDA or whoever would probably not look kindly on bottles of "aromatherapy oil" that turned out to carry a toxic substance and rightly so. It is up to the manufacturer or supplier to ensure that this toxic substance is sent to the end user in an appropriate container as, in the eyes of the law, it is their responsibility (end users often being judged using the lowest common denominator - ie dumb). These are the types of regulation that will be enforced and which will have to be accepted to avoid a total ban. In the UK certain pesticides were withdrawn from sale because of the high nicotine content.
Alan.
I recvd a pkg from china yesterday containing 25 bottles of assorted 36 mg juices,a 901 kit,two extra atts.2 extra batts,and a usb passthru.Package was marked "free Pen" value - $15.00.
Recvd. the order 6 days after I placed it. haha
Recvd. the order 6 days after I placed it. haha
My two 901s from China were labeled "$10 Dollar Electronic Gift, Qty 2" , I had no probs getting it in.
No time to read whole thread... but in case it helps someone...
1st bulk order (central trade) from HK I got fine... was 2 boxes taped together to be one box (with packing tape so it looked unopened and very difficult to open). Was shipped EMS. 7 or 8 days I think it took? Was labeled "mini fog machines" on packing slip (which was opened and looked at). Was sent HK to NY (thru JFK airport.. one of the busiest intntl airports and prob has TONS of stuff to check so mine did not get bothered).
2nd order was a small order of hardware fromj eastmall. 6 days I think? Can't rem how it shipped. No problems.
3rd bulk order (central trade) was sent DHL on 4/16. Flew out of HK 4/17. Arrived in Wilmington, OH 4/18 and is not in NY at DHL and should arrive tomorrow. (HK-NY by DHL in 5 days over a weekend!)
So.. although alll of my orderd were under $1000.... I have received with no problem. If suppliers are having trouble.. I recommend... small shipments to different addresses (pick them up from your friends houses or ask board members who are local to take delivery) then pick them up. If a package gets held it is not likely they wll ALL be help since they are deliverable to diff addresses and are small shipments then you have less risk of losing so much $ at a time. I know that can kill a business.
1st bulk order (central trade) from HK I got fine... was 2 boxes taped together to be one box (with packing tape so it looked unopened and very difficult to open). Was shipped EMS. 7 or 8 days I think it took? Was labeled "mini fog machines" on packing slip (which was opened and looked at). Was sent HK to NY (thru JFK airport.. one of the busiest intntl airports and prob has TONS of stuff to check so mine did not get bothered).
2nd order was a small order of hardware fromj eastmall. 6 days I think? Can't rem how it shipped. No problems.
3rd bulk order (central trade) was sent DHL on 4/16. Flew out of HK 4/17. Arrived in Wilmington, OH 4/18 and is not in NY at DHL and should arrive tomorrow. (HK-NY by DHL in 5 days over a weekend!)
So.. although alll of my orderd were under $1000.... I have received with no problem. If suppliers are having trouble.. I recommend... small shipments to different addresses (pick them up from your friends houses or ask board members who are local to take delivery) then pick them up. If a package gets held it is not likely they wll ALL be help since they are deliverable to diff addresses and are small shipments then you have less risk of losing so much $ at a time. I know that can kill a business.
madkaw9 - How did you find out your order had been siezed, how long had it been sitting there before they notified you? Was it label e cig or some derivative thereof?
Just an update.. I got my 3rd hardware order from HK with no problem.. they used DHL this time and it came into Ohio instead of NY. Hardware only and labeled "mini fog machines". Cleared at Customs in Ohio and actually made it from HK to NY in FIVE DAYS!!!
I knew it was too good to last. My liquid shipment came in no problems, shipped on Friday here on Monday. My hardware shipment is another story. Got a call from the customs broker today that "there might be some problems". Strangely enough it's not the ecigs they're balking at, it's the lithium batteries.
Nothing definite yet. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
Nothing definite yet. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
Don't ask me, Spikey.
I'm beginning to think they don't have a clue what's allowed and what isn't, so they just make up the rules as they seem fit. And if your shipment happens to be checked by some guy who didn't get any last night........(fill in the blank)
I'm beginning to think they don't have a clue what's allowed and what isn't, so they just make up the rules as they seem fit. And if your shipment happens to be checked by some guy who didn't get any last night........(fill in the blank)
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