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Wow, thanks! Don't want you to suffer on my account though!!!
But, no, our genes run to low blood pressure (imagine that?), and yes, I am defintely sensitive to mold--it's so hard to get rid of too! That's terrible about the medicine causing emphysema! Are her lungs permanently damaged? I smell a lawsuit!8-o
I know Kate's post is from pages back, but I've just got to respond!
I don't think that follows logically at all - not unless cigarettes themselves were well and truly banned also, and not while there were still millions addicted to them. And on top of that, not when it's not the nicotine itself that is the truly dangerous element in smoking!
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It follows because they say we can't import this because it is bad and unregulated....then their buddies, PM and RJ come out with the same thing (only now it's regulated and tested
), and voila, tax to all of us and screw China. 
It follows because they say we can't import this because it is bad and unregulated....then their buddies, PM and RJ come out with the same thing (only now it's regulated and tested
But I was talking about logic!
You're talking about something altogether different.
I take your point, Kate.
But still, I just cannot ever pass up the chance to point out how illogical such a governmental response would be, as I'm a firm believer in the harm reduction standpoint of it all.
That's because you are comparing vaping with smoking. If you assess vaping on it's own merits then it's not as likely to be as harmless as fresh air.
You can't assume vaping will be seen in relation to tobacco ... although to us addicts it should be because that's our alternative. To them it might just be a new independent addiction that will lead kids astray and threaten western civilisation.
You can't assume vaping will be seen in relation to tobacco ... although to us addicts it should be because that's our alternative. To them it might just be a new independent addiction that will lead kids astray and threaten western civilisation.
That's because you are comparing vaping with smoking. If you assess vaping on it's own merits then it's not as likely to be as harmless as fresh air.
You can't assume vaping will be seen in relation to tobacco ... although to us addicts it should be because that's our alternative. To them it might just be a new independent addiction that will lead kids astray and threaten western civilisation.
You are absolutely right. Curses. I am suffering from tunnel vision, it's true, and only viewing ecigs in relation to smoking cigarettes. In that regard, I'm sure I'm 100% right.
As to the other point of view, I'm afraid we really may have an uphill battle on our hands in keeping our access to ecigs secured.
I think that's where we might be damned really, we can't say it's NRT so it then becomes dissociated from tobacco. If it's not seen in relation to tobacco it's just another dodgy, addictive, potentially harmful habit.
Ruyan are doing cessation trials, hopefully that will give us some respectability.
Ruyan are doing cessation trials, hopefully that will give us some respectability.
i can see it now... it's the next Penelope Spheeris movie
The Decline of Western Civilization Part 4: The Vapers
where she follows and documents a bunch of homeless teenagers who have gotten themselves caught up in the evil lifestyle of vaping...
our movie starts with Sir Vapalot.. a 16 year old hardcore vaper hanging out in an abandoned house vaping till all hours of the morning while listening to classic rock... we then find little Carrie Mahecig... it's midnite and she's prostituting herself on the streetd for her next fix of ejuice... she's a poor hapless runaway who's mother forbid her to vape... and she's only a mere 14...
YES... this is meant for parody purposes.. but as your laughing at it.. realize.. the people against us actually THINK this way. they make uneducated GUESSES at who they THINK we are and state them as fact..
this is why it's VERY important that we do not try to push our vaping as anything other than what it IS.. and when we state what it CAN BE.. it is as important to make it known that we are stating OPINION at that time
The Decline of Western Civilization Part 4: The Vapers
where she follows and documents a bunch of homeless teenagers who have gotten themselves caught up in the evil lifestyle of vaping...
our movie starts with Sir Vapalot.. a 16 year old hardcore vaper hanging out in an abandoned house vaping till all hours of the morning while listening to classic rock... we then find little Carrie Mahecig... it's midnite and she's prostituting herself on the streetd for her next fix of ejuice... she's a poor hapless runaway who's mother forbid her to vape... and she's only a mere 14...
YES... this is meant for parody purposes.. but as your laughing at it.. realize.. the people against us actually THINK this way. they make uneducated GUESSES at who they THINK we are and state them as fact..
this is why it's VERY important that we do not try to push our vaping as anything other than what it IS.. and when we state what it CAN BE.. it is as important to make it known that we are stating OPINION at that time
I think anyone who claims vaping as a 'gateway drug' or that there is a need to protect children from it are delusional, and simple economics debunks the claims.
Even with cigarettes costing $8 a pack, they are much more accessible than the $50-$150 initial outlay for a realistic initial e-cig experience. Even if kids at the mall look at Smoking Everywhere and go "ohhh cool!" How many of them can plunk out the $200 to give it a go? And how many would if they could? If kids are carrying that much cash around I think their parents should be a little more involved in the first place.
[edit] oooo I posted at 4:20 (not that I know the reference)
Even with cigarettes costing $8 a pack, they are much more accessible than the $50-$150 initial outlay for a realistic initial e-cig experience. Even if kids at the mall look at Smoking Everywhere and go "ohhh cool!" How many of them can plunk out the $200 to give it a go? And how many would if they could? If kids are carrying that much cash around I think their parents should be a little more involved in the first place.
[edit] oooo I posted at 4:20 (not that I know the reference)
I love smoking and see vaping as an alternative, I think more countries are going to ban these things as time goes on despite the harm reduction argument. Drugs for recreational use = BAD is the attitude of goverments and advisors to them. Alcohol, coffee and cigarettes will increasingly be targeted. There is no such thing as freedom, there never was lol.
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