Damn, this is hard.
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Jebus Krist, which part of 'I have tried everything' or 'even a 1 hr olympic weightligting workout follwed by an hour long run doesn't work' is hard to understand?
Seriously ppl, READ THROUGH posts before replying to them.
Anyhow. Nothing will stop me smoking my 3 - 4 cigs in the evenings - except a doctor telling me it's that or something really nasty is going to happen. Ironically my doc here in SK tells me a few every day is no big deal lol.
I have realised DRIPPING will be the key to getting me off the smokes when at the track, casino, poker game or bar.
It is the only thing that gives me that 'I'm done' feeling. I need that voluminous warm vapor and harsh th, it si the only thing that comes close to replicating smoking.
Ego-t, ego xl carto is like smoking a silk cut or ultra light; unsatisfying and frustrating.
So I am going to get blinged up with some drip tips this weekend, some new atties for dripping on and accept that I'll have to go out with a 5ml bottle of juice in my pouch.
Not much more hassle than rolling your own or filling a pipe, so no biggie there. Drip a few drops and puff away...
I might try a pack of lr cartos or an lr tank atty and see if they replicate the dripping experience - some ppl say they will.
And then I guess if dripping and or lr atties keeps me off the cigs in those situations, thus halving my weekly cig intake - when my ego batteries cop out, I'll be looking at going 5v I guess...
Ego shmego, seriosuly. Weak, weak, weak (in regards to tanks, and reg ohm cartos NOT dripping.)
I have realised DRIPPING will be the key to getting me off the smokes when at the track, casino, poker game or bar.
It is the only thing that gives me that 'I'm done' feeling. I need that voluminous warm vapor and harsh th, it si the only thing that comes close to replicating smoking.
Ego-t, ego xl carto is like smoking a silk cut or ultra light; unsatisfying and frustrating.
So I am going to get blinged up with some drip tips this weekend, some new atties for dripping on and accept that I'll have to go out with a 5ml bottle of juice in my pouch.
Not much more hassle than rolling your own or filling a pipe, so no biggie there. Drip a few drops and puff away...
I might try a pack of lr cartos or an lr tank atty and see if they replicate the dripping experience - some ppl say they will.
And then I guess if dripping and or lr atties keeps me off the cigs in those situations, thus halving my weekly cig intake - when my ego batteries cop out, I'll be looking at going 5v I guess...
Ego shmego, seriosuly. Weak, weak, weak (in regards to tanks, and reg ohm cartos NOT dripping.)
I guess then, it all comes down to the fact that you don't want to quit smoking. It seems pretty clear. Nobody can ever convince you, and you have to admit that if a doctor said something really nasty is going to happen, you would probably find another excuse. It has been extensively proven that something really nasty will happen. It just sounds like you don't want to. Nobody can make you quit, it's true, there does have to be a little desire on your part.
Good luck.
Good luck.
I can only add that I've been in a similar situation in the past. You have the right idea, it's the lifestyle that is hindering you, the vaping issues are just an offshoot. It is hard, just plain hard, to "tough it out" until you can make bigger strides towards a more fulfilling life/lifestyle. Since you have already gotten to the "observation" phase when out drinking, you've passed the biggest hurdle: denial.
Wish I had more a more constructive response, but I echo everybody that has said "Stay positive!" This is just a transition in your life, and you will be able to overcome it. I've seen others in dire straits pull themselves together, and if there is anything we in this little ol' community can do to help, please let us know.
Take care!
No, I'm no idiot and if I was having serious health problems, things would change. At present the effects are varying degrees of lethargy at times, reduced muscle tone and the paler / less healthy looking facial skin all smokers are familliar with. No coughing, wheezing, chest pains etc. My blood pressure is 63/61, doc says my lungs are great for my age and I could go run 3 miles straight out of bed any given morning and even the face thing, a bit of toner and daily moisuriser and honestly, I still look younger than my age and have better complexion than some non smokers.
Perhaps that's the dealio, nothing too scary yet, nothing to push me.
But I do want to cut down, honestly do.
I don't truly want to stop my few in the evening though, I guess. I mean I would like to ideally, especially if I honestly found vaping as satisfying, but am not ready for that yet, as after a day of teaching, it gives me the relaxation I want when I get back on my own time and vaping doesn't do that yet. But I do want to stop the ones at the weekend, which is usually around a pack or 2 and am going to give the direct dripping a go next time I go out to the places where i would smoke a lot. It should work because I found that after 6 good hits from direct dripping, if you try smoking a cig after, you can barely taste it and you just don't feel like you want to smoke it and I end up just trashing it after 1 puff.
So that will get me from 2 - 3 packs a week to one, a significant improvement really. And when my 6mg liquids eventually get here (seems they have been seized by customs as it's been 20 days since ups gave me the tracking number) who knows, they may be enough for me in the evenings without causing sleeplessness.
So yeah, a reduction will be no small cheese and a good thing all round. I'll go out this weekend and buy some new juices and drip tips etc, clean all my eqpt and give it another positive effort and apply the same advice I have given others on this site in the same boat - don't push yourself and find your own pace.
After all, looking after oneself is an act of self kindness or compassion and part of that is not placing yourself or pushing yourself too far outside of what you are comfortable with. And yeah, realising that every cig not smoked is worthy of a pat on the back rather than self chastisation at the few you do still smoke.
It's really funny how I seem to swing between extremes with vaping. I'm either raving about it on this site or really laying in to it and dissapointed with it. Part of it is frustrating as I dont have a c/card at the moment so can't order much outside of my friend who uses his for me, but he works a lot so it's a lot of hassle. And the juices at the stores here are at least $15 for just 10ml. Part of it also is that there is such a disparity between how much other posters seem to enjoy it and my experience of it with is that I find it kind of so-so.
Still I'm going to make one more effort and pony up $60 this weekend that I will save from not drinking and go to the janty store here in Chilgok-gun, Korea and get 4 new juices to re-introduce some fun and interest into my vaping experience.
I'll try embracing it again, but not go too gung ho or get too affected if it doesn't work out perfectly like it seems to for some here. I'm pretty sure with the kick from dripping though I can manage to eliminate a very high percentage of my weekend smoking bar the odd one or two before bed.
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I wasn't trying to sound offensive at all, so I hope it wasn't received that way. If I hadn't have found e-cigs, I would have been smoking until the day I died - and probably because of it. I had every excuse in the book, now e-cigs are the perfect excuse. The damage is done with the 20+ years of smoking I have done. Only some of that is repairable. It still might be the death of me. I only wish that I had never started smoking.
It's kind of like the story of the boy, the fence, and the nails. I'll abbreviate it just in case you haven't heard it. A father tells his son to put a nail in a fence post every time he does something bad. He takes them out when he fixes the error. After all the nails are taken out, the father shows the son that the "scars" are still left behind. The moral is that we create scars through our lives, it is best not to do something that needs correction.
I'll rephrase and say that smoking is a crappy addiction that is tough to beat. It alters your brain chemistry to crave it in everything you do. Good luck in beating the addiction. I hope that you can find your own way out before somebody has to tell you to.
It's kind of like the story of the boy, the fence, and the nails. I'll abbreviate it just in case you haven't heard it. A father tells his son to put a nail in a fence post every time he does something bad. He takes them out when he fixes the error. After all the nails are taken out, the father shows the son that the "scars" are still left behind. The moral is that we create scars through our lives, it is best not to do something that needs correction.
I'll rephrase and say that smoking is a crappy addiction that is tough to beat. It alters your brain chemistry to crave it in everything you do. Good luck in beating the addiction. I hope that you can find your own way out before somebody has to tell you to.
No, no offense taken freaky.
OK JUDGEMENT DAY IS HERE.
I finally decided to balls up and be completely honest with myself today and not just try to like vaping or convince myself vaping is good but to be 100% balls to the wall honest and frank.
Vaping is not so great. The vapor is moist and even the best tasting ones are still moist and not smoke like at all and I don't like the feel in my mouth afterwards.
I pulled my finger out today and spent 100 bucks on new Janty liquids which are of awesome quilty, really top notch and way above any others I have tried, much more flavorful, realistic and less perfumy / syrupy. I will say this - those guys are really doing an excellent job and their liquids taste just like what they claim and perhaps that's why their ouvre is not that many flavors, they just want to stick at making the ones they can taste like what they should. Their cappuccino is the bomb, no perfumy weak undertaste, just pure bloody coffee - superb. Hats off. Also bought their 'CIG' AND RY4. Again, the cig is the best tobacco liquid yet, hands down and their ry4 is great!
So hotwire - what is the problem?
The problem is I thought at first that the actions of smoking replicated through inhaling / exhaling vapor along with the nic hit and a decent taste would do the job for me. I soon found that that was not the case and as I had some pretty cruddy juices I decided to give it one last push today and spent that 100 bucks on what - as far as vaping goes - are probably some of the best liquids out there. And with the ego -t all cleaned and ready to go and with my 510 atty and delrin drip tip I have what it takes for a vape as good as most people can get.
So now I have nic hit, clouds of vapor on the ego t or with my drip tip direct dripping and an amazing flavor, truly - again ACE bloody juices from the folks at Janty. And you know what? I still don't really like it. It feels like a poor replica and nothing like smoking at all. You just cannot (yet) relicate the taste, mouth throat, body and psychological overall feel of inhaled combusting tobacco smoke. You cannot. You would need liquidised tobacco to even get close to that.
And that is what I thought I could do, or that vaping could come close enough to it. But it doesn't. At best for me it works as a simulcra that puts off that craving until the next one hits. Kind of like a constant battle 'oh i want a smoke... okay vape this, hit it good and hard, okay that was in place of a smoke and for the next 20 mins or so the craving is gone.' But it is just such an unfulfilling thing for me, the moistness, the feeling of it coating my mouth and throat and making them dry, I really do not enjoy it at all to be frank and that is what (being frank) I set out to do for myself today instead of keep buying new stuff and chasing that ellusive carrot convincing myself it would come.
It wont. If I want a smoke I'll have to have a smoke. And if I don't want to smoke, then I'll just have to not have one rather than starting a complete new habbit instead that really does bugger all for me and seems like a desperate attempt to cling on to the old one.
If I want to quit, I'll quit but I see no point in vaping at all as it is so unlike smoking, there really is no point - smoke or don't smoke, you know?
Now I know there are many on this forum that have quit the cigs with these prodcuts and especially for the ex 1 or more pad smokers - my hat is off to you good folks and I am glad you have found some happiness or at least much improved health through vaping and I can see how after such a big habbit as that that you really do need some alternative. I guess as a 2 pack a week smoker, there just is no need for me to vape as for me it is a situational thing rather than addiction. With the cigs I honeslty seem to have no actual addiction as I do not smoke at all in the daytime during the week and never get cravings even if I see others smoke. I just enjoy a few in the evenings and with a drink at weekends and outside of those situations I see no point in it and although I did smoke more years back now, it boggles my mind how people can need to smoke all day long up to the point of a pad or more! For me it is a treat rather than a habbit I guess, like chocolate bars which I am very fond of too, and camembert and beer. Sadly it does make me not at my best physically, but not dramatically so.
If my health ever gets bad enough that quitting altogether becomes a must, I think I would just quit, as vaping just keeps the habbit in mind and also is just not satisfying to me in any way shape or form. At the very most it has been like putting up a wall between the next cig on the horizon for a while. My cigs are a treat / guilty pleasure and cannot be replaced with a vape and I really am not addicted to nic alone as my failiure with vaping shows. the vaping nic buzz is just a vague feeling that 'sort of' pushes the next cig craving back by 20 mins or so. Or perhaps if my health got bad enough to need to quit and it was really hard, then vaping would help me.
I bought all these juices and have 60ml now so am going to have one last stubborn push, saying to myself 'look you spent 100 bucks on this stuff and now you will bloddy well use it.' I'll even tell myself that it is illegal for me to smoke until the juice is gone, be real hardball about it.
Now a vape in the evening after work with a movie will not work in place of my 3 cigs and a cpl beers as the feeling is just not there, I'd rather have some good cheese instead. But I think when I am doing something active and amongst others (more going on to take my mind of smoking etc) like at the track or at the pub I will force myself until this 60ml is gone to vape instead of smoke as much as I damn well can and see if I start enjoying it as much or more than cigs, see if I can make the habbit catch so to speak.
But to be honest it is not tobacco smoke. What is the point of vaping cherry / coffee / mint liquid etc? If I wanted those flavors, might as well just suck a boiled sweet or chew some gum, would have just as much effect. And the tobacco flavors are crap and even the good ones are naff once the novelty wears off.
And then there are the headaches, dry mouth and throat and constant indigestion I get with vaping. When i read of people vaping 3ml plus a day it really seems unbeleivable to me. But each to their own.
I'll probably pass the ego-t kit onto the 1st person I know to show an interest. I'd like to think it would work for my Dad, a 1 - 2 pad smoker for about 50 years if he can get his head and patience around the charging / maintenance and care part as well as having to odrer online (I could do that for him.)
OK JUDGEMENT DAY IS HERE.
I finally decided to balls up and be completely honest with myself today and not just try to like vaping or convince myself vaping is good but to be 100% balls to the wall honest and frank.
Vaping is not so great. The vapor is moist and even the best tasting ones are still moist and not smoke like at all and I don't like the feel in my mouth afterwards.
I pulled my finger out today and spent 100 bucks on new Janty liquids which are of awesome quilty, really top notch and way above any others I have tried, much more flavorful, realistic and less perfumy / syrupy. I will say this - those guys are really doing an excellent job and their liquids taste just like what they claim and perhaps that's why their ouvre is not that many flavors, they just want to stick at making the ones they can taste like what they should. Their cappuccino is the bomb, no perfumy weak undertaste, just pure bloody coffee - superb. Hats off. Also bought their 'CIG' AND RY4. Again, the cig is the best tobacco liquid yet, hands down and their ry4 is great!
So hotwire - what is the problem?
The problem is I thought at first that the actions of smoking replicated through inhaling / exhaling vapor along with the nic hit and a decent taste would do the job for me. I soon found that that was not the case and as I had some pretty cruddy juices I decided to give it one last push today and spent that 100 bucks on what - as far as vaping goes - are probably some of the best liquids out there. And with the ego -t all cleaned and ready to go and with my 510 atty and delrin drip tip I have what it takes for a vape as good as most people can get.
So now I have nic hit, clouds of vapor on the ego t or with my drip tip direct dripping and an amazing flavor, truly - again ACE bloody juices from the folks at Janty. And you know what? I still don't really like it. It feels like a poor replica and nothing like smoking at all. You just cannot (yet) relicate the taste, mouth throat, body and psychological overall feel of inhaled combusting tobacco smoke. You cannot. You would need liquidised tobacco to even get close to that.
And that is what I thought I could do, or that vaping could come close enough to it. But it doesn't. At best for me it works as a simulcra that puts off that craving until the next one hits. Kind of like a constant battle 'oh i want a smoke... okay vape this, hit it good and hard, okay that was in place of a smoke and for the next 20 mins or so the craving is gone.' But it is just such an unfulfilling thing for me, the moistness, the feeling of it coating my mouth and throat and making them dry, I really do not enjoy it at all to be frank and that is what (being frank) I set out to do for myself today instead of keep buying new stuff and chasing that ellusive carrot convincing myself it would come.
It wont. If I want a smoke I'll have to have a smoke. And if I don't want to smoke, then I'll just have to not have one rather than starting a complete new habbit instead that really does bugger all for me and seems like a desperate attempt to cling on to the old one.
If I want to quit, I'll quit but I see no point in vaping at all as it is so unlike smoking, there really is no point - smoke or don't smoke, you know?
Now I know there are many on this forum that have quit the cigs with these prodcuts and especially for the ex 1 or more pad smokers - my hat is off to you good folks and I am glad you have found some happiness or at least much improved health through vaping and I can see how after such a big habbit as that that you really do need some alternative. I guess as a 2 pack a week smoker, there just is no need for me to vape as for me it is a situational thing rather than addiction. With the cigs I honeslty seem to have no actual addiction as I do not smoke at all in the daytime during the week and never get cravings even if I see others smoke. I just enjoy a few in the evenings and with a drink at weekends and outside of those situations I see no point in it and although I did smoke more years back now, it boggles my mind how people can need to smoke all day long up to the point of a pad or more! For me it is a treat rather than a habbit I guess, like chocolate bars which I am very fond of too, and camembert and beer. Sadly it does make me not at my best physically, but not dramatically so.
If my health ever gets bad enough that quitting altogether becomes a must, I think I would just quit, as vaping just keeps the habbit in mind and also is just not satisfying to me in any way shape or form. At the very most it has been like putting up a wall between the next cig on the horizon for a while. My cigs are a treat / guilty pleasure and cannot be replaced with a vape and I really am not addicted to nic alone as my failiure with vaping shows. the vaping nic buzz is just a vague feeling that 'sort of' pushes the next cig craving back by 20 mins or so. Or perhaps if my health got bad enough to need to quit and it was really hard, then vaping would help me.
I bought all these juices and have 60ml now so am going to have one last stubborn push, saying to myself 'look you spent 100 bucks on this stuff and now you will bloddy well use it.' I'll even tell myself that it is illegal for me to smoke until the juice is gone, be real hardball about it.
Now a vape in the evening after work with a movie will not work in place of my 3 cigs and a cpl beers as the feeling is just not there, I'd rather have some good cheese instead. But I think when I am doing something active and amongst others (more going on to take my mind of smoking etc) like at the track or at the pub I will force myself until this 60ml is gone to vape instead of smoke as much as I damn well can and see if I start enjoying it as much or more than cigs, see if I can make the habbit catch so to speak.
But to be honest it is not tobacco smoke. What is the point of vaping cherry / coffee / mint liquid etc? If I wanted those flavors, might as well just suck a boiled sweet or chew some gum, would have just as much effect. And the tobacco flavors are crap and even the good ones are naff once the novelty wears off.
And then there are the headaches, dry mouth and throat and constant indigestion I get with vaping. When i read of people vaping 3ml plus a day it really seems unbeleivable to me. But each to their own.
I'll probably pass the ego-t kit onto the 1st person I know to show an interest. I'd like to think it would work for my Dad, a 1 - 2 pad smoker for about 50 years if he can get his head and patience around the charging / maintenance and care part as well as having to odrer online (I could do that for him.)
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