Day 37: I don't get the same satisfaction as I did with cigarettes

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Vapedog

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I've successfully quit smoking and have been vaping for 37 days now :banana:, but ever since I started I feel that I don't get the same satisfaction and nicotine rush as I did with cigarettes. I started on 6 mg and went to 9 mg, the throat hit gets a bit harsh for me which is fine, but I don't feel the same satisfaction. I find that I use the vape way more than I did cigarettes and I don't want to go to 12 mg because the throat hit will be stronger than the 9 mg (though I've never tried it). so any tips on what to do? thanks.

P.S. A little background on my smoking history: I used to smoke 5-6 cigarettes a day (Marlboro Medium), My current vape is the Aspire Spryte.
Welcome. Sorry to say but you may never get the same kick. In fact I highly doubt anyone does.
Some studies have been done that show that it is not necessarily the nicotine that people are hooked on alone. But rather the whole chemical cocktail that cigarette's deliver. Nicotine alone will never give the same effect delivered via vaping that a cigarette will give with its cocktail mix of nic and chemical compounds. No ecig, nic whatever mix has ever given me the head rush that a cigarette does. But remember, most of those chemicals in the cigarettes that do that are highly harmful. I know numerous people who smoked, took up vaping and went back to smoking because they couldn't get that same hit from ecigs that smokes gave. In fact, I dont believe that nicotine is anywhere near as adictive as many think it is. I personally believe its low grade addictive, just rates. But combined with the other chemicals in cigarettes it then steps right up, but alone its low.
 

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Do not fear higher nic. is my advice. You can drop it later. After a year of vaping only I had a rather unpleasant relapse into smoking, and really it was only a few a day. I was shocked at the effect a few REALLY HIGH (think 35/40 mg/ml nic salts) did for those times I wanted to smoke.

WTA liquid helps me a lot. my brain just CRAVES the MAOI substances in the alkaloids. Aroma is the gold standard. but you pay for that, certainly. I have found ohm's vapes to be reasonable, not fantastic. I used Aroma for quitting.

I will also add, snus can "sound" like a cop out but as far s the minor alkaloids,. there is NO comparison. I use them at work when I can't vape and I also use them several times a day when I am NOT working, for the alkaloids.

You can get Swedish snus here under the name "American General Snus" in many gas stations. it WORKS. I will certainly admit it did not taste great in the beginning but the effects WERE great. It doesn't take much. It's cheap. It's considered MORE harm reduction than vaping, actually.

Best of luck. your nic is too low, and your expectations are too high. Try some things suggested on the thread, you may be pleasantly surprised.

Anna
 

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Welcome. Sorry to say but you may never get the same kick. In fact I highly doubt anyone does.
Some studies have been done that show that it is not necessarily the nicotine that people are hooked on alone. But rather the whole chemical cocktail that cigarette's deliver. Nicotine alone will never give the same effect delivered via vaping that a cigarette will give with its cocktail mix of nic and chemical compounds. No ecig, nic whatever mix has ever given me the head rush that a cigarette does. But remember, most of those chemicals in the cigarettes that do that are highly harmful. I know numerous people who smoked, took up vaping and went back to smoking because they couldn't get that same hit from ecigs that smokes gave. In fact, I dont believe that nicotine is anywhere near as adictive as many think it is. I personally believe its low grade addictive, just rates. But combined with the other chemicals in cigarettes it then steps right up, but alone its low.
I agree. Vaping as a tobacco replacement isnt the complete experience for me but Im pretty happy where Im at with it.
My wife occasionally, rarely, has a few drags on my vape. She has been without cigs for about 20yrs and still occasionally says she feels like one. Everytime she hits the vape she will always pass a funny derogatory comment regarding the pee weak feeling of it.
Tonight was pizza and beer night and she mentioned how a cigarette would be great so I handed her one of my vapes.
After a few drags she put it down with some disdain, she made the comment that I had done well to quit cigs just using vaping because its such an unsatisfactory replacement for tobacco. I agree with her.
I was just determined to quit tobacco and vaping and all the stuff that goes with vaping helped distract me from tobacco for long enough to move past it a bit.
 
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I agree. Vaping as a tobacco replacement isnt the complete experience for me but Im pretty happy where Im at with it.
My wife occasionally, rarely, has a few drags on my vape. She has been without cigs for about 20yrs and still occasionally says she feels like one. Everytime she hits the vape she will always pass a funny derogatory comment regarding the pee weak feeling of it.
Tonight was pizza and beer night and she mentioned how a cigarette would be great so I handed her one of my vapes.
After a few drags she put it down with some disdain, she made the comment that I had done well to quit cigs just using vaping because its such an unsatisfactory replacement for tobacco. I agree with her.
I was just determined to quit tobacco and vaping and all the stuff that goes with vaping helped distract me from tobacco for long enough to move past it a bit.
Alright then, let me get straight to it:
-Vaping is less satisfying than the nicotine storm delivered by ciggies.
-It delivers some nicotine still though.
-Ciggies will .... my health up, drain my budget. GUARANTEED.

Conclusion: I will vape.
I will put up a fight, a struggle of will if you'd call it. And I will prevail.
GAME ON.
 

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Alright then, let me get straight to it:
-Vaping is less satisfying than the nicotine storm delivered by ciggies.
-It delivers some nicotine still though.
-Ciggies will .... my health up, drain my budget. GUARANTEED.

Conclusion: I will vape.
I will put up a fight, a struggle of will if you'd call it. And I will prevail.
GAME ON.
At the end of it all, you are the determining factor.
Vaping enabled me to quit, certainly, Im glad I gave it a serious try. But at the start I was sitting there non stop vaping high mg nic and still wanting a cigarette and that went on for a while.
I had a lights on moment one day while plastered to the couch after overdoing it with nic and feeling sick as a dog and miserable, and wishing I had a cigarette to smoke :D It just gave me a bit of context to work with, helped identify the enemy a bit clearer and I could move past focusing on nicotine as the thing to conquer.
 

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Yeah you know whole months pass now where I don't think about smoking, or even if I DO think it or even if I have a PACK somewhere around or even the husband??

I just DON'T do it, and everything's fine.

If you knew my smoking habits, you would know that these are the "odd" days for me. I really thought I was gonna die with a cigarette in my hand (and I mean that literally) and like, my cold dead fingers would contract around it firmly and like yeah.

I have had entire WEEKS of musings about how in Heaven, smoking is good for you. Probably MONTHS actually. Like, when I was pregnant and nursing I thought about heaven a LOT then but also whether or not my mother would be an appropriate parent substitute, and unfortunately.... She wouldn't have been. But you know, I thought about it.

Anna
 

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Yeah you know whole months pass now where I don't think about smoking, or even if I DO think it or even if I have a PACK somewhere around or even the husband??

I just DON'T do it, and everything's fine. ANNA

Yeah, that's the key, I think. If I hadn't been determined, I might have caved and had to start over, or even worse, not tried again at all.
 

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Yup. It turns out that the one thing that I thought had ANY chance of stopping me HAPPENED.

I was hugely annoyed honestly, but it turns out even the BEGINNINGS of COPD are so unpleasant, I quit.

I still remember the first time I saw a grey person and their oxygen tank and asked what the hell was going on. I have been terrified of COPD ever since, and I cried uncle.

But without vaping, there would have been NO chance, and I kind of have the feeling my lungs were at that point where if I had NOT quit, I would have been so miserable I would have just kept going and no lung function recovery.

When I think about it very hard, I really want to go bomb the FDA. To quote Madonna, more or less. I am not actually going to go bomb the FDA. That would be pointless and also now, I would not have the energy.

So you are safe, FDA. For now.

Anna
 

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Welcome. Sorry to say but you may never get the same kick. In fact I highly doubt anyone does.
Some studies have been done that show that it is not necessarily the nicotine that people are hooked on alone. But rather the whole chemical cocktail that cigarette's deliver. Nicotine alone will never give the same effect delivered via vaping that a cigarette will give with its cocktail mix of nic and chemical compounds. No ecig, nic whatever mix has ever given me the head rush that a cigarette does. But remember, most of those chemicals in the cigarettes that do that are highly harmful. I know numerous people who smoked, took up vaping and went back to smoking because they couldn't get that same hit from ecigs that smokes gave. In fact, I dont believe that nicotine is anywhere near as adictive as many think it is. I personally believe its low grade addictive, just rates. But combined with the other chemicals in cigarettes it then steps right up, but alone its low.
Spot on.
I can remember my days on the patch.. Gums...
Yes ciggies have other ingredients that augment the effect of nicotine, and make it much much more addictive.
I'm reprogramming my brain nowadays.
 

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Me, personally, I've always had a hard time noticing any real differences between smoking and vaping...

I LOVED smoking for 50+ years...I LOVED inhaling smoke...I LOVED exhaling smoke...and I LOVED the effects of nicotine and WTA...(they wake me up when I'm tired, calm me down when I'm anxious...and their effects on my Short Term Memory are QUITE enjoyable)…

I've LOVED vaping for the past 5+ years...I LOVE inhaling smoke...I LOVE exhaling smoke...and I LOVE the effects of nicotine and WTA...(they wake me up when I'm tired, calm me down when I'm anxious...and their effects on my Short Term Memory are QUITE enjoyable)…

It's just that with vaping my breath/clothes/car/home no longer stink...I can walk up hills no longer getting short of breath...and I'm no longer exposed
to the 3000+ other substances (many carcinogenic) in the cigarette's smoke...

:2c:

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Spot on.
I can remember my days on the patch.. Gums...
Yes ciggies have other ingredients that augment the effect of nicotine, and make it much much more addictive.
I'm reprogramming my brain nowadays.
That's why god invented WTA eliquid. It has the minor alkaloids too
 
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I use regular freebase nicotine because salt nic is only available in higher strengths 30mg+ where I live and I feel that is too high:(
Salts will do the trick, 12-16mg in a mtl devise, I started off with that, but fell off the wagon several times in the first year, five yrs ciggy free next month.. Cold Turkey doesn't work.. imho
 

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Salts will do the trick, 12-16mg in a mtl devise, I started off with that, but fell off the wagon several times in the first year, five yrs ciggy free next month.. Cold Turkey doesn't work.. imho
Cold turkey might not work for you, or me :D , but to date it is the most effective way to quit cigarettes. nrt's, acupuncture, hypnosis, pharmaceuticals etc, or even vaping dont come close to the success rate of plain old cold turkey.
 

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Cold turkey might not work for you, or me :D , but to date it is the most effective way to quit cigarettes. nrt's, acupuncture, hypnosis, pharmaceuticals etc, or even vaping dont come close to the success rate of plain old cold turkey.
Because most try it. Not all smokers try vaping
 

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Cold turkey might not work for you, or me :D , but to date it is the most effective way to quit cigarettes.
I tried smoking cold turkey, roasted turkey, hot turkey.....I'll stick with vaping, it works for me - 4 PAD for 30+ years, now 4+ years tobacco free.
WTA will help, higher nic in MTL setup will help. If all you can find is 30 mg/ml, you can dilute it with the same juice but zero nic.
 
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