dead atomizers

[tonyblack]

I read everywhere about dead or dieing atomizers, I was wondering if everyone could explain exactly how the vaporizers die? Even better yet, could anyone provide photos of dead vaporizers?

Just curiosity at this point really...

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Simply Put .... They Go Cold, Period. No special photo's needed of blood and guts, etc... LOL ...

When an atomizer is completely dead, its cold!

 

[Schroedinger's cat]

I can confirm that, even though I am relatively new to e-smoking. One of mines today went fully dead. No vapor, no taste, no warmth, no nothing..... And I cleaned it, boiled, it, cajoled it, blew into it and out of it - and it remained fully dead. Looking at it, though, you definitely could not tell.

 

[tonyblack]

Well, if I were to pay for shipping, could somebody send me a few dead atomizers for me to tear apart?

I've got a small background in both electrical and mechanical engineering, and I'd love to see what makes these STOP ticking (and if there was a way to fix that with some simple re-engineering)

Realistically, I don't have a lot of time for the project, so it's not a big deal one way or the other.... just got my curiosity going now, that's all.

 

[SuperSteph]

I would agree but you still need a good one to diagnose whats bad. It shouldn't take more then a simple multimeter to test the resistance of a good atomizer vs a bad one to find out what causes it.

 

[trog100]

they do not stop ticking.. stopping ticking is not the real problem ..

the real problem is they age.. as they age they simple produce less vapour than when they are new.. anybody that knows anything about them knows why this is.. i wont go into detail its all been said a million times before..

they start off okay.. then they start to fade away.. we throw ours away after two weeks on average.. its not because they have gone cold.. simply because their ability to produce enough vapour isnt there any more..

these is also nothing that can be done about this.. it happens..

the odd one might go cold a (open circuit) if used for long enough but none of the ones we use ever reach this stage.. they are discarded long before this..

to be simple its the "wick" that wears out not the heater coil.. it loses its "wick" factor.. when it does there is less vapour produced.. the less the user needs the vapour the longer the atomizer will last them.. in our case it isnt very long..

not running hot enough to down to the battery failing.. we throw those away every two weeks as well..

trog

ps... the bottom line is these things are not suitable for heavy all day and every day use..

 

[tonyblack]

Steph, I've got a few good ones on order, well, I assume they'll be good anyways...

 

[tonyblack]

trog100, must have been posting at about the same time...

So, you're saying that for you it's the steel wool wick around the coil that goes bad, or the fiber wick that goes from that to the coil?

 

[trog100]

a pic.. the heater coil and the "wick"..

trog

 

[trog100]

a pic.. the heater coil and the "wick"..

trog

ps.. its not for me its for everybody.. the "wick" being the piece the heater coil is wrapped around.. it burns or simply goes hard but it loses its ability to absorb liquid.. when it does the atomizer dosnt work as well..

 

[tonyblack]

hey Trog, thanks for the picture, makes perfect sense...

I'll likely never get around to working on it too much, honestly that's such a poor design for long term usage I can't believe anyone would expect it to last for very long.

 

[kmk1018]

Trog, suppose the wick was to be properly saturated. Then the wick would have an indefinite lifespan? I've seen oil candles use the same wick for years...

 

[trog100]

Trog, suppose the wick was to be properly saturated. Then the wick would have an indefinite lifespan? I've seen oil candles use the same wick for years...

possibly..but my approach is a simple one.. make them cheap and properly sell them as the disposable items they are.. they cost very little to produce..

the real problem now is most of them are being miss-sold.. people are not being told they are disposable items..

ruyan created them for occasional use to supplement real cigarettes where real cigarettes cant be used for social or legal reason.. not replace them entirely..

they were never intended for the heavy everyday use some of us are giving them..

trog

ps.. very true tony..

 

[smoking gnu]

So what do you think then lads about these atomizers, can they be improved? Or is the unreliability built in. From a business point of view that would make sense. Not a nice thought I know but not a unrealistic one I think. you trog are making things happen with your screwdriver e-cig. we just need someone to improve the weakest link ie the atomizer. Now that’s a nicer thought .

 

[trog100]

we would do that as well gnu if we thought it viable..

the current atomizers are okay.. people are happy with a cart that lasts a few hours.. why not be happy with an atomizer that lasts a couple of weeks..

we provide an answer for the heavy users.. a battery side that works and does its job.. plus where to get cheap consumables.. these include the atomizers.. no problem..

all these big price brand names are going to have to do this if they want to stay in business.. or sell the whole package much cheaper as disposable items..its very wasteful thow to follow this path..

but the dynosaurs are gonna have to chenge their ways else go..

trog

 

[smoking gnu]

How many of your screwdrivers are available, and how many could you make in a week? I also would like disposables, but I don’t think the sort of disposables that I want will be available soon . I Want them in packs of 20. lol Although janty are giving some form of disposable that could be viable some thought.

 

[trog100]

not many at the moment gnu.. things are still in the sorting stage.. the basic device and batteries will last a long time.. we say use a new atomizer every two weeks depending on use..

high up-front cost low long term running cost.. the consumables being liquid and atomizers.. 901 atomizers work well and are cheap enough to replace every couple of weeks....

trog

 

[smoking gnu]

If you flood the screwdriver trog, would it damage the batteries in the same way as the 901. Like kmk1018 said if it could take more liquid to keep the wick moist then that might prolong the atomizer life. Or am I barking up the wrong tree.

 

[trog100]

If you flood the screwdriver trog, would it damage the batteries in the same way as the 901. Like kmk1018 said if it could take more liquid to keep the wick moist then that might prolong the atomizer life. Or am I barking up the wrong tree.

absolutely 100% not.. its the suck switch that gets messed up with normal batteries.. our screwdrivers have a big sealed heavy duty manual switch as far away from the atomizer as it can be.. no fluid will every get anywhere near it..

given a clean every so often the device will last for a long time.. its also sold as a serviceable item.. not a throw away when it dies item..

trog

 

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