Dear Dr. F

[DeAnna2112]

I wanted to tell you how much i appreciate the work you do. Anytime you have asked for funding i have been right there giving my dollars because i have faith in you. What i respect about you the most is that you bring both the good and the bad to the table. I don't wanna hear what i want as a vaper, i want to hear the good with the bad, and that you have always been true to. You have always been honest with us, helping us stay safe. You have always been a good trooper in our responses at times, when we pushed back not wanting to accept your findings. I have witnessed it on this forum, but not from me. I take your research very seriously, so seriously that you are the only one i really trust to bring me your findings whether good or bad. Please if you need additional funding let me, us, know as i know alot of people support your work and respect it.
Let's made this thread a Dear Dr. F and let him know how much we appreciate his research and hard work and that we financially support his cause.

 

[DeAnna2112]

I know there are alot of lurkers in the forum but at least say thank you if you support his work and not just like my post. I am nobody!! don't just like my post say at best thank you to him. He reads this forum. Speak up and let your voice be heard how ever way you see fit. But speak up!

 

[CMD-Ky]

Interesting article:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/11...-products-eliminate-90-percent-smoking-harms/

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Well I will add my thanks to Dr. Farsalinos. I must say also that I have very mixed feelings about these 'HNB' products. I mean I'm glad that some people will use these either to stop or reduce tobacco smoking, but for the most part I think it's just how BT intends to continue making money w/o having to share any profits or pay royalties because their product is not a PV as we know it..

 

[motordude]

E-cigarette Research

 

[Robino1]

I wanted to tell you how much i appreciate the work you do. Anytime you have asked for funding i have been right there giving my dollars because i have faith in you. What i respect about you the most is that you bring both the good and the bad to the table. I don't wanna hear what i want as a vaper, i want to hear the good with the bad, and that you have always been true to. You have always been honest with us, helping us stay safe. You have always been a good trooper in our responses at times, when we pushed back not wanting to accept your findings. I have witnessed it on this forum, but not from me. I take your research very seriously, so seriously that you are the only one i really trust to bring me your findings whether good or bad. Please if you need additional funding let me, us, know as i know alot of people support your work and respect it.
Let's made this thread a Dear Dr. F and let him know how much we appreciate his research and hard work and that we financially support his cause.

Thank you to You also, DeAnna.

Interesting article:

Big Tobacco Says New Products Eliminate 90 Percent Of Smoking Toxins

I know that the HNB has been in the works for a very long time. It does look promising. I've always thought that tobacco without all the adulteration and additions wasn't quit the devil.

Very interesting article! Thanks

E-cigarette Research

Thank you for posting that link!


I will add my thanks to Dr. F. You have consistently looked for the truth. That's all we can ask for, regardless to where that truth leads.

 

[stols001]

Very fascinating site. Thank you, Dr. F.

Anna

 

[DeAnna2112]

Interesting article:

Big Tobacco Says New Products Eliminate 90 Percent Of Smoking Toxins

Very interesting article thanks for sharing. Sorry BT but i don't trust anything you put out and call it harm reduction. That trust went out the window a long time ago when i started having health problems related to your product

 

[sofarsogood]

Interesting article:

Big Tobacco Says New Products Eliminate 90 Percent Of Smoking Toxins

Apparently with the heat not burn system when you press the button the heat is applied continuously for 6 minutes. Like a cigarette there's no turning it on and off as we do with vaping. It will taste something like a cigarette. It will be tobacco. It will be easier to tax. For all those reasons and others my interest is zero. I now dislike the taste of tobacco. I much prefer the puff pattern of vaping. Vaping has become a superior experience to smoking. One final thing. I mix and rebuild and only have the hardware I need (stockpile not withstanding). Vaping is not cheap, it's free. The price is right.

Dr. F is the only medical researcher I trust. It's as simple as that.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I think it's just how BT intends to continue making money..

 

[beckdg]

Dear Konstantino...

You da man.

Just keep it in your wheel house, brother.

Thanks
-Us All

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[stols001]

I've been reading Dr. F and you know, his research his excellent, but I have to admit, this letter almost had me in *tears* "A decision to ban electronic cigarettes will represent nothing more than a great opportunity missed": letter to Hong Kong officials

Especially this part: Instead of punishing smokers for the inability of medicine to develop effective smoking-cessation medications, it seems reasonable, and is also our ethical responsibility, to provide them with less harmful alternative products. This is not just an issue of personal choice; it is also about protecting their human right of being properly informed and making decisions that will protect personal health from the consequences derived from a harmful addictive habit. Smokers should be treated with sympathy and compassion. It is true that nicotine addictiveness may not be resolved by switching from tobacco cigarettes to electronic cigarette use. However, the main purpose of public health is to reduce harm and death. It is not our responsibility or right to dictate people not to use nicotine, considering that nicotine has minimal effects on smoking-related morbidity and mortality.

I mean, how many researchers have this mindset? Not that many. I can't tell you the number of times I've been lectured and harried over my smoking habit by family members, doctors, and others. Not even deliberately, but you can see it in their face(s) sometimes. I have really great docs that have treated me over the past 12 years and I know so many of them really care about me, and were dismayed to see my rapid downhill trajectory. Not one of them felt as if they could "recommend" vaping. So many people view smoking as a moral failing instead of THE MOST deadly addiction on earth and it's either all moralizing about willpower and personal choice, when addiction is quite often NOT a personal choice. I started at 18, I was really DUMB. If vaping hadn't happened along, I wouldn't have been able to cold turkey smoking, I'm certain. And, I've been ashamed of this addiction for such a long time, personally, that to run into someone objective in the Public Health field with this mindset, and who encourages it in others, is a beautiful thing. Also, not to boast or anything but I found smoking harder to manage than ANY other addiction, and I've battled and resolved a few in my day. I'd take ANY other detox than smoking, even using vape. It's HARD.

When I got to this letter, DeAnna, I understood why you are so devoted to Dr. F. He sounds like an incredible researcher and *person* whose interest is in nothing more than improving Public Health, which we should do for smokers really more than anyone else. Highest morbidity of all addictions, though the OD rate in Baltimore is getting so bad, they are handing out free Naltrexone injections to anyone who wants one, in order to reduce the OD mortality rate.

No one handed me a free ecig with instructions on how to use it the WHOLE time I was smoking. And I can honestly say I'd prefer an OD on ANY substance than dying of COPD and smoking has the highest morbidity of all if you can't stop. And I can genuinely say I have TRIED, countless times, and failed.

Anna

 

[dobroeutro]

My heartfelt thanks for all you do Dr. F... BT will never get another penny from me...

 

[Rossum]

Apparently with the heat not burn system when you press the button the heat is applied continuously for 6 minutes. Like a cigarette there's no turning it on and off as we do with vaping. It will taste something like a cigarette. It will be tobacco. It will be easier to tax. For all those reasons and others my interest is zero. I now dislike the taste of tobacco. I much prefer the puff pattern of vaping. Vaping has become a superior experience to smoking. One final thing. I mix and rebuild and only have the hardware I need (stockpile not withstanding). Vaping is not cheap, it's free. The price is right.

All that is true. But just like every other means of getting off combustibles, vaping does not work for everyone. At this point, more smokers have tried vaping than haven't, yet most of the smokers who've tried it have not switched. If HnB succeeds in getting additional people to put down combustibles, then it is A Good Thing, no matter that it is tobacco, made by BT, expensive, and easy to tax.

 

[CMD-Ky]

All that is true. But just like every other means of getting off combustibles, vaping does not work for everyone. At this point, more smokers have tried vaping than haven't, yet most of the smokers who've tried it have not switched. If HnB succeeds in getting additional people to put down combustibles, then it is A Good Thing, no matter that it is tobacco, made by BT, expensive, and easy to tax.

I agree with your rational approach to HnB. It does seem to me that it is more beneficial to examine the product itself and the results of the product rather than the producer. The ability of producers to simply bamboozle the populace is considerably diminished, due in no small part to places such as the ECF for example. We will all be watching, examining and relaying our experiences.

Now if the HnB producers attempt to use the coercive effect of government to eliminate competition, that is a separate issue. Those attempts should be resisted, condemned and the elected representatives who support those attempts should be returned to civil society to find honest work, if they are capable of doing honest work. For myself, vaping was a painless method of leaving "combustibles" (love that term) but for my wife, not at all. If HnB would work for her, I don't think that I will shun or condemn the producer.

 

[sofarsogood]

All that is true. But just like every other means of getting off combustibles, vaping does not work for everyone. At this point, more smokers have tried vaping than haven't, yet most of the smokers who've tried it have not switched. If HnB succeeds in getting additional people to put down combustibles, then it is A Good Thing, no matter that it is tobacco, made by BT, expensive, and easy to tax.

I'm not condeming the heat not burn products, just saying why they don't interest me. I think a large part of whether vaping defeats smoking is expectations. It's not going to be a magic pill for most people. If they expect that and it doesn't happen may be they give up too soon. I've been advising a coworker who's recently begun vaping. I tell him, don't worry about your smoking for now. Focus on vaping, learn how, figure stuff out. Things come up with power settings, the tank leaks because he didn't seat the coil head properly, etc. There's no pressure in any direction. He's starting to make comments I expect. Cigarettes aren't so satisfying any more. He's starting to really like his flavor, etc. The pressure on hm is he's had a heart attack. He knows the clock is ticking. A good time to try for zero cigs is when you're certain you'll never stop vaping so the worst thing that can happen is relapsing to a few cigs instead of many. May be it will take a few tries to get to zero cigs. Don't let the relapses seem like failures. Instead vape some more and plan the next attempt.

 

[stols001]

I do think the best time to try vaping is after something is really pushing you to try to quit smoking. A friend of mine just had a heart attack, he's trying chantix again because it worked for him in the past. He's setting up a "support" network to check his moods/behaviors, however. I would no more condemn THAT attempt than my own via vaping... You have to choose the method that's right for you. I agree that if more smokers had support and information to encouraging them to not give up after that first cigarette, week, etc., that's got to help. If I had quit vaping the first time I smoked, I never would have gotten to this point. That is one of the most valuable pieces of feedback I recieved from this site, actually (though, there were so many )

I notice my "Quitting funded by BT funds Ash Line" in my state does NOT offer vaping as an option, though they would've been happy to hand over Chantix, I asked, and they were like, "Oh, yes, we have a doctor who can prescribe that for you." Yikes-- no inquiry into my health history, either. As far as I know, Chantix has killed more people than vaping, AFAIK. I think it can be useful for some folks, but you couldn't get me to try it. It would be great if they offered vaping support.... but no. That's where I get annoyed. Vaping has been around long enough to include e-cigs in harm reduction and support.... But no.

Anna