Dec 11, 2013 2PM EST - FDA Webinar: 20 Years Later Returning to FDA to Regulate Tobacco
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I don't understand it either. Are the majority of ECFers truly apathetic (don't care, or don't think they can make a difference?), or are we not getting our point(s) across?
To many are busy arguing about how much cotton to put in their coil and whether or not to drink the anti-freeze.
Seems many people don't concern themselves with issues that could directly affect them until they are directly affected by them. Perhaps it is too inconvenient for them.
THIS thread is one that CASAA is NOT going to set on fire until there is something concrete. That's been said online and in meetings many times. The thread to watch (Please!) is the Daily Action thread. (I'm not speaking officially, I'm just a vanilla casaa member.)
The reason is that the fuel for the fire needs to be whatever the FDA puts out in writing and they ain't done that yet.
This gets back to how many ECF members are members of CASAA. No one has to sign up, it just makes sense that an organization that is fighting for our rights should have a good number of ECF members on board.
The Daily Action Thread is fine for what it is designed for. This thread is more of current events and this is/was current as of yesterday and I am very surprised that there isn't more input from ECF members on the subject. CASAA is a different matter to this thread. IMO
Good point. I just can't see much to add (before deeming) except "Get your non-smoking non-vaping family members onboard and convinced, so they'll be ready when there's something to do. " That is because most smokers' families (including mine) would NOT write a letter supporting them, so I think it will make a difference if our families are with us.
I've also printed out Richard Carmona's letter (there's a link to it on the legislation or media page) to show people, it's impressive for a former Surgeon General to side with us.
I've also printed out Richard Carmona's letter (there's a link to it on the legislation or media page) to show people, it's impressive for a former Surgeon General to side with us.
+100!!! Burns me up that the action alert sticky went stagnant, though I have seen micro coil and nano coil threads get 300 replies in a couple of days!
Ya gotta admit, it's much more fulfilling to comment on a thread where you can make a difference (ie nano coils and hardware and such) vs threads that deal with with propaganda and the FDA. The latter are like rolling the same stone up a hill over and over and over.
I write and get active, then i get discouraged and have to stand down cause it makes me crazy. I have a huge amount of respect for those who can keep their energy up in the face of willful ignorance...
(and by the way Mr. Zeller.. the data are the data. Datum is singular. The data that you so willfully ignore are plural. )
I write and get active, then i get discouraged and have to stand down cause it makes me crazy. I have a huge amount of respect for those who can keep their energy up in the face of willful ignorance...
(and by the way Mr. Zeller.. the data are the data. Datum is singular. The data that you so willfully ignore are plural. )
I see both these types of threads as appropriate for the vaping community. Our equipment is vital to our continuing to vape, so of course people want to talk about it. But threats to the future of ecigs are compelling, and it worries me that more members aren't engaged. Can only hope that more members *are* reading these threads and educating themselves than are speaking up about it...
Thank you!!!
so, just another thought about data, specifically the idea of anecdotal data...
So, "they" say we can't talk about individuals, it has to be population effects, and individual data is all anecdotal and doesn't count. Yet, isn't the FDA adverse events reporting system anecdotal? i mean it's a list of effects that are uploaded on a person by person basis, that is: anecdotes.
So, "they" say we can't talk about individuals, it has to be population effects, and individual data is all anecdotal and doesn't count. Yet, isn't the FDA adverse events reporting system anecdotal? i mean it's a list of effects that are uploaded on a person by person basis, that is: anecdotes.
Great point. I guess though they use the Data as they see fit. The 500 suicides at the hands of Chantix isn't population level, we will see how the adverse events posted on their website in regard to e-cigs is handled. My guess is it will be hypocritical to their point!
Please PLEASE tell me someone got recordings of some of those things that were said by Zeller! Got URLs?
Problem is even if it's recorded those inside the beltway have a list of "reasons" why they didn't mean it that way, see you can keep your policy/doctor.
Whoops, it may cost you more!
I've been trying for years to figure out a way to change that, but nothing has worked.
When the .... hits the fan I know we will have everyone's attention and I feel confident most will rise up and do something.
What worries me is how prepared will they be? Will they be familiar with the studies? Will they know how to counter the various lies?
Will they truly understand who is our enemy and why?
It would really help if they were engaged now, so they are prepared when they need to be.
But I do have faith that the proper information will be presented forum-wide when the time comes, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I have, in the past, been extremely encouraged by watching the fights against local legislation develop around the country.
People who have been forum members for years but have only 25 posts suddenly come out of the woodwork, fully informed and ready to go.
That always gives me a little boost of confidence.
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