Department of Defence Weighs in on E-Cigs
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Notice the link at the bottom of the page, Quit Smoking Facts, Effects of Cigarettes Smoking, Chewing Tobacco at Quit Tobacco Make Everyone Proud. which is funded by the American Lung Association, a key adversary of electronic cigarettes. My guess is it was written by the ALA
Ugh! Here we go again! 
We need some really good publicity before we are outcasts again.
Lynn
We need some really good publicity before we are outcasts again.Lynn
wow, proven cessation like the patch and gum???? Wha???
I love how they tag the ecig as a device to deliver an addictive substance and overlook that the patch and gum do the very same thing.
Ecigs cannot, in their mind, say they are a cessation device (live patches and gum). But if they don't then they are marketing something that is somehow immoral???
This is hopeless. We are getting screwed. I never thought I would get involved in illegal activity but it appears that my very own government is going to push me in that direction. F'em, weed has a healthy market, looks like vaping is going to join that group.
Nestran
I love how they tag the ecig as a device to deliver an addictive substance and overlook that the patch and gum do the very same thing.
Ecigs cannot, in their mind, say they are a cessation device (live patches and gum). But if they don't then they are marketing something that is somehow immoral???
This is hopeless. We are getting screwed. I never thought I would get involved in illegal activity but it appears that my very own government is going to push me in that direction. F'em, weed has a healthy market, looks like vaping is going to join that group.
Nestran
I hate chewing gum! Makes one look like a cow!! Patch this. What in the he** is wrong with people!! We have got to win the war against the retarted society we're living in. This is just insane!
Yup Nestran I'm thinking the same thing!
What in the he** is wrong with people!! We have got to win the war against the retarted society we're living in. This is just insane! Yup Nestran I'm thinking the same thing!
if you look at the article carefully it has this line :
"And we know from research that nicotine is as addictive as .......”
Are they joking?
Are they mad?
...... is extremely dangerous compared to nicotine.
This is the sort of stuff that people will retain in such a silly article...that we are drug addicts.
"And we know from research that nicotine is as addictive as .......”
Are they joking?
Are they mad?
...... is extremely dangerous compared to nicotine.
This is the sort of stuff that people will retain in such a silly article...that we are drug addicts.
this just in American politicians does everything backwards first they wipe there a** then pull there pants up then take a s**t as they flush the toilet....thats exactly how these politicians work. First they listen to scientist then they listen to extremist groups and vote in favor of extremist groups while sound science is being flushed down the toilet.
I love how they wrongfully claim we are ignoring the facts, while they're the ones actually guilty of doing it. The FDA analysis proved it. These guys have all been infiltrated. I no longer trust any health organization at all. Period.
thats exactly what they want everyone to think. these are the same tactics they have been using forever....alcohol prohibition...look how far that went. And marijuana prohibition look how bad that is going now....there are more people smoking pot now than there were in the 60's and 70's plus look how many are in jail because of prohibition. same old tatics.....it works to get people on board...but it keeps failing to keep people off of drugs....thats why they still keep using it. thats why i say we work backwards.
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Sounds like the military are getting them anyway. Link below to press release. Reading both of them in relation to one another is just to...
"Cool New Stealth Electronics on the Battlefield"
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/cool-new-stealth-electronics-on-the-battlefield-113872.php
This has been around for a long time and was made explicit by Surgeon General C, Everett Koop in 1988.
In a statement (http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/QQ/B/C/W/P/_/qqbcwp.pdf) he said:
Things moved on from there.
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Its a bad idea to compare the addiction of ......
AND ......., to nicotine. People are addicted to the high you get from ...... and ........ Plus these two drugs destroys the service system. ....... can blow your heart right out of your chest.....hence speed.
It's a bad idea to place nicotine in the same category as other drugs. Then they might as well ban all narcotic pain killers....Because those are just as addictive.
AND ......., to nicotine. People are addicted to the high you get from ...... and ........ Plus these two drugs destroys the service system. ....... can blow your heart right out of your chest.....hence speed.
It's a bad idea to place nicotine in the same category as other drugs. Then they might as well ban all narcotic pain killers....Because those are just as addictive.
Smoking in the military: An old habit dies hard
I'm digging this one and leaving a comment. There was no mention of the electronic cigarette in the story.
It is a wire story put out by AP. The digg link has a different headline from the Washington Times.
I'm digging this one and leaving a comment. There was no mention of the electronic cigarette in the story.
It is a wire story put out by AP. The digg link has a different headline from the Washington Times.
Sad thing is, I was just reading an article about the Military trying to phase out smoking, and some of the troops were saying they needed a cig to calm themselves. I guess I would need a cig too if I was driving my truck through mine laden roads in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was thinking - wow! What if the Military started making e-cigs readily available to the troops? It would be a win win - but obviously the Military is listening to the bozos. Not saying e-cigs are 100% safe, but they have to be better then actual cigs right? How do those idiots not see that?
From the article:
Is that not also the purpose of analogs? If the FDA chooses to ban e-cigs then I contend that they must also ban analog cigarettes based on the very same reasons. How about it FDA - give us a head-to-head comparison of e-cigs to analogs!
Perhaps diethylene glycol is one of the few chemicals not present in analogs? For the record, I saw the report and out of 19 juices/cartomizers they examined only 1 had diethylene glycol present - I believe it was the 24mg nicotine tobacco flavor from Smoking Everywhere. That seems like an easy fix to me.
Is that not also the purpose of analogs? If the FDA chooses to ban e-cigs then I contend that they must also ban analog cigarettes based on the very same reasons. How about it FDA - give us a head-to-head comparison of e-cigs to analogs!
Perhaps diethylene glycol is one of the few chemicals not present in analogs? For the record, I saw the report and out of 19 juices/cartomizers they examined only 1 had diethylene glycol present - I believe it was the 24mg nicotine tobacco flavor from Smoking Everywhere. That seems like an easy fix to me.
Here is the comment I left:
The military should take a serious look at the electronic cigarette as a way of solving several problems. The military is reluctant to ban smoking because it helps troops remain alert and helps relieve stress. But it isn't the smoke that does it, it's the nicotine. Currently available "nicotine replacement" products contain low levels of nicotine, by design, because the goal is to wean people totally off nicotine. With the e-cigarette, the user can control the amount of nicotine and take in enough to remain alert and relieve stress.
Tobacco smoking is an effective, but dangerous, way of getting sufficient nicotine. E-cigarettes deliver vaporized nicotine, without the tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and multitude of toxins and carcinogens that tobacco smoke inflicts on its users. Over 13,000 people have signed the Electronic Cigarette Petition (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available). Users are reporting that they have been able to successfully substitute the e-cigarette for their tobacco cigarettes after trying every other method of quitting. They are also reporting greatly improved lung function and better blood pressure and cholesterol numbers.
There is every reason to expect that military personnel would see the same type of health improvements after switching to e-cigarettes, thus saving both the military and the VA substantial expenditures on tobacco-related illnesses.
Since e-cigarettes deliver no side-stream smoke, and the exhaled vapor is non-toxic, there is no need to have people leave their work-station for "smoke breaks". Thus the military gains productivity improvements. E-cigarettes are battery operated, so there are no sparks and no fire hazard. One final benefit is that there will be fewer unsightly cigarette butts to deal with.
The military should take a serious look at the electronic cigarette as a way of solving several problems. The military is reluctant to ban smoking because it helps troops remain alert and helps relieve stress. But it isn't the smoke that does it, it's the nicotine. Currently available "nicotine replacement" products contain low levels of nicotine, by design, because the goal is to wean people totally off nicotine. With the e-cigarette, the user can control the amount of nicotine and take in enough to remain alert and relieve stress.
Tobacco smoking is an effective, but dangerous, way of getting sufficient nicotine. E-cigarettes deliver vaporized nicotine, without the tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and multitude of toxins and carcinogens that tobacco smoke inflicts on its users. Over 13,000 people have signed the Electronic Cigarette Petition (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available). Users are reporting that they have been able to successfully substitute the e-cigarette for their tobacco cigarettes after trying every other method of quitting. They are also reporting greatly improved lung function and better blood pressure and cholesterol numbers.
There is every reason to expect that military personnel would see the same type of health improvements after switching to e-cigarettes, thus saving both the military and the VA substantial expenditures on tobacco-related illnesses.
Since e-cigarettes deliver no side-stream smoke, and the exhaled vapor is non-toxic, there is no need to have people leave their work-station for "smoke breaks". Thus the military gains productivity improvements. E-cigarettes are battery operated, so there are no sparks and no fire hazard. One final benefit is that there will be fewer unsightly cigarette butts to deal with.
But this simplistic analysis doesn't take into account that Nicotene is far more harmless that ....... They may both be as addictive as each other, but this doesn't give any assessment of harm.
I could say "One serving of McDonald's french fries has as many calories as 2 large chef salads." That does not mean that they are equivalent in nutrition, fat, sodium, etc...
Nicotine and ...... are both plant alkaloids, and as such work in similar ways. The original report stressed this similarity to lump the two substances together.
What is your definition of "addicting"? Under the ......-based model that prevailed until the 1970s, tolerance and withdrawal symptoms were considered the hallmarks of addiction. By this standard, drugs such as nicotine and ....... were not truly addictive; they were merely "habituating." The word addiction has been abandoned in the clinical setting in favor of "substance dependance".
A 1994 study based on data from the National Comorbidity Survey estimated that 23 percent of ...... users ever experience substance dependence. The same study found that 32 percent of tobacco users had experienced substance dependence. Figures like that one are the basis for the claim that nicotine is "more addictive than ......."
This ignores social factors, availability of the drug, etc...
Finally, the anti-drug people like you to think that everyone who does ...... more than once is irredeemably hooked. That's just not true. ...... is SLIGHTLY more addicitve than alcohol via that same study.
So, define substance abuse:
- You're not able to stop using it when you decide to
- You use the drug despite clear evidence that it is harming you
- There are clear withdrawal symptoms
The evil thing about sugar is that they market that ***** to CHILDREN. With flavors like watermelon, blueberry... 99% of Americans use the substance multiple times a day. They combine it with other drugs like caffeine to make stimulant cocktails in their back-alley break rooms.
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