Dertox withdrawal nicotine experts

[KENNY V]

I wanted to ask some folks here that may help me move to the next step >if you have read anything I had written you may have noticed I am having a rough time. (withdrawal symptoms) Not sure if it is too much nicotine or not enough, the basein e juice or simply anxiety from letting go of the analogs. I knowmy body pretty well and I am sick at the same time im getting better every day .I can feel it something has changed but im NOT out ofthe woods yet.


I have been realizing so much about my addiction as well as what is happening as my body is trying to ridall of the poison . At the same time I am confused, BC the same symptoms for too much nicotine are those of withdraw symptoms I am at a loss as to whats going on and want some opinion from ya ll .Especially if ya think I many be on to something .


Please help me sort out this nicotine detox issue BC I am confident I will continue to do better .
I have to say I am detoxing every day,Now on day 17^th since cutting my anaolog. A pack a daysmoker for 30 years down to 2-4 . The first week I went waytoooooooo fast and cut it down to 6 a day , next week down to 3-4followed by a major breakthrough or what you would call a crash. Itwas NOT a pleasant experience to say the least.
Since then I feel ill with a smoke by recommendation ( I changed to American spirits ) However I am not fairing well vaping either . After initial probs I played around with nicotine level going form 12-18mg back down to 6- 10mg even upped it to 24 mg in the morning only . Well too much was worse so now I am trying less . Down to 4.5- 12 mg BTW still want to smoke but thats a given right?


Bottom line is I have cut my nicotine many times each day because of it . Not sure if the dull head feeling foggy head eye, headache etc.. is from too much not enough nicotine or something else all together. Also must note I have cut the frequency of vaping down to 4-7 times a day.


Now my big question.
Is it possiblethat my body ( after detoxing17 days) of that poison. And the fact that I have substantially lowered my nicotine intake that thereason why I feel ill when I vape is because of the nicotine alltogether ?


I have been doing allot of trialstrying to isolate the issues and still not sure. One thing I am sureIm very sick though this process and will never go back to smokingif I get through this.... The symptoms listed are through out theday. They they often increase when I vape . But also if I do nothave smoke for long periods .... My head has been fogy, massive headaches , sometimes I get sick to my stomach with both not having a smoke for a LONG time but ALSO after vaping allot.. These patterns are not consistent however the head foggy confusion disorientated . And with vaping either the headache or the head foggy heaviness gets worse If continue


Is it possible at this point of detox and withdrawal that my body DOES NOT need want or crave thenicotine ? Then when I get it its too much ? Or can it be something else ?

Hope this made sense love to hear your thoughts
THANKS GUYS yure the best

 

[Leatherneck]

*shrug*

Everyone is different. I was a 1.5-2 PAD smoker for 20+ years and I didn't have a single physical symptom of nicotine withdrawal.

 

[ClippinWings]

OK, a couple things jump out at me:

1. the numbers you list don't make sense

12-18mg
6- 10mg
24 mg in the morning only
4.5- 12 mg

What does that mean? juice doesn't have a range.

For reference as a Pack a Day Ultra Light smoker I initially went with 18mg and it made me sick, I dropped to 16 and have been good at that since. But everyone is a little different.

Also worth noting is that I vape about 1.5-2 ml a day.

The second thing I notice in your post is that you reference

. Also must note I have cutthe frequency of vaping down to 4-5 times a day.

This again makes no sense to me.

Vaping is not smoking... You don't "go have a vape"... Since the nicotine is absorbed into the body differently most vapers, take a drag or 3... then set it down for a 10 minutes or so, then take another few drags.... I don't know any vapers who take 10-15 drags in rapid succession (like one would with a cigarette) and then put it down for several hours.

Third.

17 days seems to long to me.

I actually had no physical withdrawal symptoms, but from others on here I've seen... any of the heavy withdrawals should be done in 3-5 days.

 

[KENNY V]

*shrug*

Everyone is different. I was a 1.5-2 PAD smoker for 20+ years and I didn't have a single physical symptom of nicotine withdrawal.

Lucky u never get get headaches prob experienced 4 of my entire life. 2 out of 5 was head cold.

Got the flew and puked prob 4 times in my entire life once the first time it hit hard liquer 8 years old..


The last few days I felt both symptoms on and off and then many other symptoms that were unpleasant ..
ill be better once I know whats behind it all so I can take appropriate action way to many variables .

Consider yourself very fortunate

 

[Disconnect]

From what you posted (here and earlier) it kinda sounds like you are going back and forth between too little nic and too much. Unfortunately, they both give headaches.. (Ditto for not enough water.)

The stomach upset might be an indicator of too much. I don't have nearly the problems you were having, but you seem to be approaching it like "instead of smoking at 10, 11, 12:30 and 2 I'll vape those times". As ClippinWings said, it isn't the same. Think of it more like something you can do off and on most of the time, with a mild juice (mild being anywhere from 6-12 probably) and 2-6 hits of a heavy juice (24-36) when you start looking out the window and wondering who you can bum a smoke off of.. If you can get it balanced properly, that might give you the long-term nic "holding pattern" to cut down cravings, with the short-term spikes like smoking. Don't over do it when you have a craving though - a cig hits fast and hard, but a vape hits slower..

Big th, big flavors (menthol or cinnamon) will help knock out the cravings, especially with the big juice. At the end of the day you might want to talk to your doc though, it seems like things are going much worse for you than for most people switching and the doc might be able to help..

 

[Caridwen]

Moving this to Health. You may get more help there.

I'm really sorry you've having issues with this and I give you a lot of credit for persevering when many would have given up.
Keep in mind that none of us here are doctors, so any medical advice should be taken with a grain of salt.

I hope you can get through this.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Everyone is different. I hd the "quitter's flu" for three weeks.

Kenny V, I suspect you're trying too hard to fine tune and micromanipulate the withdrawal process. Try settling in on one nicotine concentration (or at most two, with one being the before-noon one) and sticking with it for at least several days. Your bouncing around from one concentration to another may be setting up a positive feedback loop in your body.

As ClippinWings mentioned, vaping is not smoking! The only thing vaping and smoking have in common is that they're both nicotine delivery methods. For me and others who have commented on the phenomenon, vaping is much more akin to smoking a pipe than it is to smoking a cigarette.

Watch pipe smokers: they pack their pipe, light it, take a few puffs, let it go out, light it again, take a few puffs, and so on. Even though a pipe only contains about 1½ cigarettes worth of tobacco (and thus maybe 8-10 minutes worth of cigarette smoking), the typical pipester has that single charge last an hour or two. The typical pipester may only go through five or six pipefuls over the course of a day and evening, but he or she (there are a surpirsing number of female pipesters!) is smoking constantly to keep up the consistent maintenance dose in their systems. BTW, this scenario also applies to many cigar-smokers.

As with pipe smoking, when you vape, the nicotine uptake into your system occurs mostly via your buccal and nasal membranes and not within your lungs. In fact, the globules of whatever that contain the nicotine seem not to be absorbed by lung tissues at all. Consequently, the "hit" from vaping is nothing like the instant "hit" from smoking a cigarette. It's much slower and much more akin to the "hit" you get from pipe- or cigar-smoking.

I've noticed that most vapers don't inhale any more than is necessary for good throat hit. I, for one, only inhale down to about my trachea. In fact, I can't inhale deep into my lungs any e-liquid except for one that's heavily menthol. With any other flavor, I cough.

And I can only reiterate what others have said here and in other threads: drink lots of water! And I mean water, not coffee, tea, soft drinks or energy drinks. The propylene glycol in e-liquid is a desicant, and so is the caffeine in those last mentioned non-waters. Sucking the water out of mucosal secretions basically turns them into library paste. I more than doubled my water intake when I started vaping.

 

[ClippinWings]

Are you sure you don't have the Flu that seems to be hitting EVERYONE this year?

I had it and had all of what you describe.

Only time i have ever gotten headaches from Vaping was:

1. Too much nicotine(was accompanied by nausea)

2. Too much PG in the eLiquid (was accompanied by tingly skin, ichy eyes)

3. Dehydrated (vaping dehydrates you, bad... i drink a TON of water now.)

 

[KENNY V]

OK, a couple things jump out at me:

1. the numbers you list don't make sense


What does that mean? juice doesn't have a range.

For reference as a Pack a Day Ultra Light smoker I initially went with 18mg and it made me sick, I dropped to 16 and have been good at that since. But everyone is a little different.

Also worth noting is that I vape about 1.5-2 ml a day.

The second thing I notice in your post is that you reference



This again makes no sense to me.

Vaping is not smoking... You don't "go have a vape"... Since the nicotine is absorbed into the body differently most vapers, take a drag or 3... then set it down for a 10 minutes or so, then take another few drags.... I don't know any vapers who take 10-15 drags in rapid succession (like one would with a cigarette) and then put it down for several hours.

Third.

17 days seems to long to me.

I actually had no physical withdrawal symptoms, but from others on here I've seen... any of the heavy withdrawals should be done in 3-5 days.

Hopefully this makes sense

the numbers 12-18mg
6-10mg
24 mgs

and now 4.5-12 mg was because I have cut my juice w/ ZERO nic juice flavor because of the problems I was having .


the sessions of vaping are as followed

from day one

I TRIED to vape instead of smoke thorough out the day lets say every hour to every 3 hours esp when I got URGE to smoke.
It never fared well.

I tried less frequency and even not vaping for 3 hours and tried again
even tried more nicotine

next ran trials with less nicotine more frequency. Every 1-2 hous. I would take 5-10 puffs within lets say ½ hour at MAX

as far as vaping I thought I was going to be able to VAPE ( 5-8 puffs) instead of having a smoke ?
So what you said does not make sense to me or I am missing something here ???

AND As far as daily sessions I PROB never vaped more than 10 times TOTAL IN DAY

AND THE 17 DAYS are sinse I cut my smokes from 20 down to 3 .
the past two days I have allowed myself to have a few smokes to keep my sanity . Prob 4-5 a day and I put it out after 4 drags .. Now I dont remember much more bc the past two weeks are a blur.......

I am holding on now to having a smoke when I need it …. and thats about it
all day I have symptoms of something and if I vape my head stays clogged foggy for an hour or so

Hope that made sense

 

[KENNY V]

Are you sure you don't have the Flu that seems to be hitting EVERYONE this year?

I had it and had all of what you describe.

Only time i have ever gotten headaches from Vaping was:

1. Too much nicotine(was accompanied by nausea)

2. Too much PG in the eLiquid (was accompanied by tingly skin, ichy eyes)

3. Dehydrated (vaping dehydrates you, bad... i drink a TON of water now.)

I studded advanced detox for well over 10 years that's whats happening to me . To be honest I dont want any more of these dam poisons in my body im sick of feeling sick now..... Im gona try low and slow and sticken to my plan till the WTA's arrive.... and of course rule out any sensitivities in the mean time.


I wuz a POD smoker for over 30 years .Two weeks ago i cut it down to 8 a day . Within the next week down to 3 . Ok Way too fast but made it. I am taking plenty of antioxidants drinking water all day a have done this for years even morso now.... .. Last few days i have rid traditional smokes with the extra chemical additives and went to natural tobacco smoke.

now id like someone would give me a typical protocol of daily vaping that they do

how mnay puffs is it from aAn Ato or Carto what is the nicotine level in thrir juice ?
That would be much appreciated Cuz I would like to replace my old dirty sick habit with a more pleasant habit that I can control the amount of poison it it. Another words every time I want / need to have a smoke example from 1--3 hours I can vape instead.

Thanks again fort all your help and encouragement.. we will get though this

 

[Disconnect]

now id like someone would give me a typical protocol of daily vaping that they do

how mnay puffs is it from aAn Ato or Carto what is the nicotine level in thrir juice ?

Thought I'd posted this before but maybe not in as much detail. Using mostly Joye 510-T gear (the funky plastic tanks) except the 18mg menthol, which is DeKang in a prepacked cartomizer.

In the morning, after getting dressed etc (thats new, I used to smoke at least 1 cig before getting ready..) I put the 24mg cinnamon on and take between 2 and 5 large hits while prepping coffee etc. (Probably takes about 20 mins.) Between the 24mg and the flavor, its got a big TH and feels "right". During this time I'd normally smoke 2 - 1 before getting ready, then 1 before prepping coffee and stuff.

Off to the car, where I switch to 18mg menthol for the drive (and plug in the usb passthrough.) Usually 2 'normal' hits at a time, 4-6 times during a 45 minute drive. (This replaced about 3 cigs.) If I start idly hitting it over and over I'll switch to the 6mg early, otherwise I wait till I get to work.

At work I throw the 6mg on and hit it every 5-20 minutes depending on how I'm feeling. (Usually twice, almost never more than 5 times at a stretch.) I used to smoke 1 every 60-90 minutes, depending on how my day was going. (Sometimes 2.)

During any of this, if I start thinking I need a smoke I hit it a couple more times or throw the 24 back on for 2 big hits.

I was smoking about 8-9 packs a week of camel crush (like a light, with menthol capsule) for 3 years. (Before that I smoked 1.5+packs a day of Reds, but I quit for 4 years and they tasted awful when I started again..)

Hope it helps..

 

[RosaJ]

I'm going through these symptoms myself. I've been off cigarettes since March of last year and I've cut down my nicotine to 6mg. I've recently started vaping with a higher pg base and remembered why I decided earlier on that I react to high pg with feeling nauseous, listlessness and feel sleepy throughout the day. The reason I wanted to give pg another try was because the flavor comes through better than with higher vg.

However, this reaction is not fun at all and just picked up a 30pg/70vg mix. I know I'll be much better in a couple of days. Also, everyone is different and if you feel the need to smoke a cigarette, go ahead and light up. The transition to vaping 100% of the time will come and your body will tell you you're done with cigarettes the day you light one up and gag.

 

[KENNY V]

Thought I'd posted this before but maybe not in as much detail. Using mostly Joye 510-T gear (the funky plastic tanks) except the 18mg menthol, which is DeKang in a prepacked cartomizer.

In the morning, after getting dressed etc (thats new, I used to smoke at least 1 cig before getting ready..) I put the 24mg cinnamon on and take between 2 and 5 large hits while prepping coffee etc. (Probably takes about 20 mins.) Between the 24mg and the flavor, its got a big TH and feels "right". During this time I'd normally smoke 2 - 1 before getting ready, then 1 before prepping coffee and stuff.

Off to the car, where I switch to 18mg menthol for the drive (and plug in the usb passthrough.) Usually 2 'normal' hits at a time, 4-6 times during a 45 minute drive. (This replaced about 3 cigs.) If I start idly hitting it over and over I'll switch to the 6mg early, otherwise I wait till I get to work.

At work I throw the 6mg on and hit it every 5-20 minutes depending on how I'm feeling. (Usually twice, almost never more than 5 times at a stretch.) I used to smoke 1 every 60-90 minutes, depending on how my day was going. (Sometimes 2.)

During any of this, if I start thinking I need a smoke I hit it a couple more times or throw the 24 back on for 2 big hits.

I was smoking about 8-9 packs a week of camel crush (like a light, with menthol capsule) for 3 years. (Before that I smoked 1.5+packs a day of Reds, but I quit for 4 years and they tasted awful when I started again..)

Hope it helps..

I think I have it right and tweaked my intake fine so I thought so.... … however I know there is still work. To do

Thanks again for all your help and encouragement.. we will get though this
u dont know how much I appreciate it in what im going though I cant smoke or vape without getting sick or have a day that is even keeled . The 2nd weekend I thought I had it …...

The first day I got sick from having my first smoke I thought that was the turning point …. Its been a rough ride but hey last 17 days I have avoided 221 analogs.

Take TOO LONG to explain all of my symptoms I know many are from withdrawal, some are anxiety of letting go... I thought it was too much nicotine and kept cutting back.... but from what is suggested here I realize that most likely I was doing fine in what I had been doing perhaps at times maybe too much but over all I kept the pace and nothing seemed to keep my body satisfied....
all I know is from my first day cutting back to today I wake up every day knowing I am ridding my body of these toxins . However every day Its been hell

Every day I am learning what my body needs and what it wants Dont need. Next is to get the balance right . Smoking suks, and quitting is worse . I will be a vaper one day just need to dial into right combo....
thanks guys for all your help.

Please Keep the stories coming ill pick up something from all of ya ….

 

[KENNY V]

thank you all for taking time out of your life and investing it to helpin out a bro.
thank you those who personalty reached out through PM
I think we are on to something that will help me recover and get off the smokes for good

May God bless all of the fruits of your support

KV

 

[rolygate]

Hey, sorry to hear you are having all these problems. You are one of a small minority, but that is no comfort, I guess.

Part of your issue is that you have changed so many variables that it is difficult to identify the problem. Also it may help us to know what hardware and liquid brand and type you are using.

In your position I would firstly try to revert some variables, to cut down on the noise. Then cover some other options too.

- Go back to your original cigarette brand. The new brand is another variable creating noise.

- Cut down on your smoking very gradually. Some people can do it fast, it seems you can't. Why worry.

- We need to know your vaping set-up. There might be some clues in that. ALL the details please.

- You are right to try WTA, they are made for difficult cases. However, introducing them just now might create even more noise...

- Make sure to drink 1 litre of bottled water a day. Sounds like you do that.

- With an unusually difficult case, trying to give advice from a distance is hard. There could be something in the mix we don't know about. For example, avoid diet sodas if you are having unexplainable problems, they can really mess up the small number of people who react to aspartame.

- See your doctor and ask for a thyroid function test - another thing that might be in the mix. Some people get thyroid issues with smoking cessation and this is a well-known issue. Might as well get all the bloods done while you're there, not just the thyroid, if you haven't had anything checked lately.

- If you feel bad right after or even during vaping, then something isn't right. First reduce the nic level and see what happens; then change brands, then change from mainly PG to all VG and see what happens. Always try different brands because if something disagrees with you in a liquid, then it could easily be in the vendor's other liquids too.

- There is a vitamin supplement that may help you. Normally this has no value but in your case ('foggy head' is a pointer here), anything is worth a try: 1,000mg per day of vitamin B3. Not the B Complex, just B3 (aka niacin - actually its full name is nicotinic acid). If it seems to help, try 2,000mg / day.

Try some of that, anyway. And please tell us the exact details of your rig, liquids etc. Please name the names, it all gives clues.

 

[denali_41]

i quit the stinkies with 24mg on oct27th,2011,by june of 2012 i was down to 0mg,,my body was telling me i don't need the nic and it was right .

6mg is the highest i ever vape now,because some juice just don't taste right without it .i don't vape that much of it either


for me,,vaping is a means to an end,not trading one evil for another

 

[KENNY V]

Moving this to Health. You may get more help there.

I'm really sorry you've having issues with this and I give you a lot of credit for persevering when many would have given up.
Keep in mind that none of us here are doctors, so any medical advice should be taken with a grain of salt.

I hope you can get through this.

I am thankful for all the support here... Give up no way... ive come so far. Just my body should of already been though the rough , over the hump esp as I rid the poisons . I know by now it SHOULD of gotten easier but in my case it got worse... O well live and learn I still have a goal ,and will get closer to it. One day at a time . Today is day 20 on Tues will be DAY 21


” This too shall pass” (.Baby steps )
YES I do realize no one here is a doc. Its ok y'all know enough and I know what Q's to ask to discern truth from Error and apply it . We will be OK trust me. As long as I know whats going on what my body needs as it heals ill be fine... right now its just finding the right combo to get back to the even keel before I started this adventure .
Btw I don't put much stock in medical dummies either ( AKA MD's.) You need to know more about your condition then them.. to get better . Their NOT schooled at all in general nutrition, NEVER MIND DETEOX and too quick to stroke the pen... IMO that gets ya in more trouble and things get more complicated.. Yea!!!! like Right now thats all I need is more variables side effects etc....
Hope that made sense .. PS if ya don't get it than PLEASE DONT ASK

I am so thankful I FOUND THIS FORUM ESPECILAY FOR THE KIND WORDS, EVERY,ONE WHO REACHED OUT .
I WANT TO ESPEALLY THANK THE MODERATOR FOR ASSITING MY POSTS (networking them to the right places..) IN NO MEANS AM I OUT OF THE WOODS . BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW (Caridwen) THOSE SIMPLE WORDS MEANT ALLOT TO ME
IT'S S BEEN AROUGH RIDE .. 20 DAYS DETOX
MORE LATTER
KENNY V

( PS SORRY FOR THE CAPS IM NOT YELLING OR GONA RETYPE)

hate to smoke love to vape love to drip all tho (cant as much as id like to) nice to try new flavors but I am no where out of the woods yet.. detox suks....

 

[Koman]

i quit the stinkies with 24mg on oct27th,2011,by june of 2012 i was down to 0mg,,my body was telling me i don't need the nic and it was right .

6mg is the highest i ever vape now,because some juice just don't taste right without it .i don't vape that much of it either


for me,,vaping is a means to an end,not trading one evil for another

It's best to listen to your body I'll say!