Desperate to figure out why dark juices taste "burnt".

[GoodNews!]

Hey guys, after a long absence, I've tried out some gear and some goods.

Anyway, here's the complete mystery:

Across 4 batteries (MVP2, Vision Spinner, Clone Ego Spinner, and Ego 650mah), and across dozens of tanks (Aspire, CE4's, CE5's, Protank II, Evod, Aro tank, Smokin' Crow, Fluxomizers, ect ect), each and every single time, if I try to vape a Coffee or Chocolate juice, it tastes burnt. As in roasted popcorn kernel, burnt.

I have no clue why this is happening.

I was just at the shop 5 minutes ago, tried a coffee juice on a CE4, a clone CE4 of all things, and it tasted like a normal cup of Java. Just loaded it into the Evod (as I've done with several other coffee juices across the device span) and it tastes just like the worst, most charcoal-ed over, burnt thing I could ever dream of tasting. This is horrible.

Why in the world is this happening to me? This is literally some sort of supernatural curse. There is no way that this many devices and juices could be bad. I'm letting the juice soak, I'm taking primer puffs, I sample the juices before I buy them.

The only thing in the world I know of, is that I just charged both of the batteries I just now tested on. Overcharge, maybe? I did speak to a vendor manager recently who said it is possible. But across batteries? Especially on the MVP2? I just don't get it.

I'm considering at this point, no matter what anyone says, that something may be odd with the electricity in my house, or my charger, with as many of these types of results as I'm getting. On the Evod, I'm currently able to vape really light flavored juices, but for some reason, those get muted down to practically nothing on anything I try them on. I have no clue what's going on.

Again, I try all these juices before I buy them.

I don't want anyone posting who's going to be smart about it, because I've been having these issues with Coffees and Chocolates since day #1, anyone can check my posts and see. Beyond anything else I experience, this is a total mystery to me. Why in the world is this happening? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

Again, I'm thinking my batteries may be overvolting or something. When I get any new battery, I love it before I charge it, then after I charge it, things go to crap. Things start burning and tasting awful. Ugh, this is just plain awful. I can still taste that burnt coffee in my mouth! It's like taking meat and just frying it, it almost tasted like some dead animal.

Please, please, please, please, please help, if anyone knows anything about this. I've truly never, ever experienced anything like this on samples in the shop!

 

[Rickajho]

It is highly unlikely your batteries are being charged to over voltage as one of the possible outcomes is a battery explosion while charging if that is done repeatedly.

Any liquid tasting burnt or harsh is usually an indicator of running that liquid at too high a voltage. Since the devices you have are VV does it get any better when you drop the voltage back down?

Have you tried a clean, unused coil with those liquids, starting at the lowest voltage you have available on the PV?

 

[Ryedan]

You're having the same experience over multiple batteries, so that is not the issue. The electricity in your house is not the issue because it goes through the charger's power supply. Besides, as Rickajho said, if your batteries were being overcharged they would destroy themselves eventually.

Causes for this that I have experienced:

Too much VG thickening the juice.
Dirty coil and wick.
Too much power.

Really all of these are related. The root cause of the issue you're having is the wick runs dry while you vape it.

 

[Myrany]

I cannot speak for coffee juices I don't like real coffee so I was not inclined to try the eliquid.

Chocolate however can be a problem. If they are not using one of the "clear" chocolate flavors it tend to be very dark and extremely sweet. Both add up to a gunked up coil in nothing flat. A burnt taste often follows at least to me. I have always suspected it was all that sweetener and color burning on the coil before the juice vaporizes.

 

[GoodNews!]

Ya'll already know I don't vape at too much power - 3.3V's and a 2.5 (actually, 2.7ohm) coil is not too much power. Tried two fresh heads. Even if the thing wasn't wicking spectacularly, eventually one juice would, and I've tried several coffees, all burnt flavor, while at the shop, they taste pleasant and really just wonderful.

I mean, if it was a wicking problem, which I don't think it is because I've had this result even on dripping atomizers, wouldn't the juice taste like its flavor but just kinda hot? Yet this is just absolutely burnt, first puff, two new heads. I've had this result on probably 15 new heads across my vaping life with coffees, even on dripping atomizers. All at safe ranges.

And these coffees have all been mostly PG. I don't think I've ever vaped a coffee or chocolate that was higher than 50/50. VCV's Candy Bar does better as a chocolate than anything (chocolate peanut butter) and it's %100VG!

Something is just plain wrong here. A lot of users actually get this with coffees and I don't know why. I can try any coffee juice in the shop, and it'll taste wonderful. I was just down at the shop, trying this coffee juice on a clone CE4 of all things, wonderful flavor. I bought it right up. Went through this same scenario at another shop. And another. There's something wrong beyond the juice!

If it helps for information, it always seems that after I charge my batteries, they give an extremely hot result, and only last for like, an full hour of puffs at most. My MVP2 should be lasting several days at my extremely slow vaping pace, and it only lasts a couple hours. I just fully charged my Ego 650, and it gave an extremely harsh result with the coffees, and then died 5 minutes later (it may have never charged though, it's connection is wonky.) My Vision Spinner only would last a couple good vaping hours too.

I've actually been able to get more vaping time out of any sample battery at the shop just trying flavors! I can sit there and vape for quite awhile!

 

[Diogenes]

That might be the problem then, if you're vaping at 3.3v at 2.7ohm, you're only putting out 4.03watts. You might need to bump the power up a touch, say maybe in the neighborhood of 6 watts, which would work out to just about 4v.

The other thought I had was when you go into the shop and try something, try to recreate that at home. Get the exact same clearo that they use, completely brand new. Ask the shop what do they have their tester PV set at powerwise. That way, when you get home, you have the exact clearo as the shop, and the exact power level you tried at the shop.

 

[Myrany]

That might be the problem then, if you're vaping at 3.3v at 2.7ohm, you're only putting out 4.03watts. You might need to bump the power up a touch, say maybe in the neighborhood of 6 watts, which would work out to just about 4v.

The other thought I had was when you go into the shop and try something, try to recreate that at home. Get the exact same clearo that they use, completely brand new. Ask the shop what do they have their tester PV set at powerwise. That way, when you get home, you have the exact clearo as the shop, and the exact power level you tried at the shop.

Along these lines I had another thought. The testers in the shop probably sit for sometimes hours with no one using them. Lots of time for the wicks to soak up juice. If you are hitting the clearo constantly at home it does not have that much time to wick like it does in the shop.

 

[Diogenes]

Along these lines I had another thought. The testers in the shop probably sit for sometimes hours with no one using them. Lots of time for the wicks to soak up juice. If you are hitting the clearo constantly at home it does not have that much time to wick like it does in the shop.

That's why I switched to a carto tank while I'm on here. I vape like there's no tomorrow, and no burnt coils. Well, except when I forget to prime the carto first.....

 

[WattWick]

Try charging your batteries at a friends place or at a public library or something. Preferably find electricity not coming from a coal plant. I get my electricity from hydroelectric power plants. Anything I vape tastes as fresh as a cool breeze blowing over mountains in early spring.

 

[Chiku]

Ya'll already know I don't vape at too much power - 3.3V's and a 2.5 (actually, 2.7ohm) coil is not too much power. Tried two fresh heads. Even if the thing wasn't wicking spectacularly, eventually one juice would, and I've tried several coffees, all burnt flavor, while at the shop, they taste pleasant and really just wonderful.

There are 20,000+ active members on ECF. You can't expect that everyone is going to remember what voltage you tend to vape at.

 

[GoodNews!]

I tried amping up the power, believe me - it just made the taste extremely worse.

And yeah, I've done that before - long time ago, first shop, I tasted a coffee and then a chocolate juice, both amazing, told them "I want exactly what that is." down to the ohms, battery, and clearo. Took it home, charged it, horrible burnt taste.

Generally speaking, even with my MVP2, I've gotten in the habit of using my Ego 650 because really, a lot of shops use that, it's a safe range, and yet this little Ego 650 seems to kill coffees and chocolates. MVP2 does the same thing, Vision does the same thing. Maybe it really is that I need like a 1.8ohm coil for these juices, but I just don't know.

I just have done research on this from day one on this forum, and I know I'm the guy who pops off with experiencing weird flavors out the wazoo, but this is one thing that I've searched and seen hundreds of users experience. Eventually, it gets blamed on user preference in terms of coffee flavors, but I try all my coffee flavors before I buy, and they taste like coffee should!

That's the one thing folks can't say about me, flavor prefferrence - I've learned to buy my juices locally and try before I buy, so I know what I'm dealing with. And I haven't experienced this problem on any shop clearomizer or Evod or anything else, at any voltage, any any ohms. It's like they're using entirely different heads or something.

I'm so frustrated with this! I've went through this process like 5 times over my vaping journey, with chocolates and coffees! I love them at the shop, and I get home, and on my batteries, on the heads they give me, it's like someone put burnt, rotten animal roadkill in my vape! It's literally like charcoal off a grill, with a burnt coffee bean tinge. What in the absolute world!

Like, right now, I had to waste so much juice, this burnt coffee is stuck in my currently addictive Evod. Had to pour out some great Blueberry Cheesecake, loaded it up with some menthol, and it's now mehhhh tolerable. Horrible stuff. I have no clue why coffees and chocolates do this. I mean, I could let it sit and wick overnight in terms of those juices, but I have to vape sometime or other! But I've done those experiments with these juices, and nothing works! Again, I've tried these juices on drippers of all things, horrible result.

...... And yes, one thing I'll say, is that heaven forbid, I tried a coffee on the Cisco when I had my time with it, and the first hit was great, second hit, horrible. That's mainly what killed my Cisco. A coffee juice. I couldn't even vape on it after that, that's when I finally had to try washing it. And it's still a mystery why that 3.5ohm Cisco was actually working tremendously well in general on my batteries, it was as though 3.5ohms was perfect for whatever the absolute heck my batteries are outputting.

You know what? Even if I'm strapped for cash, what I'm going to do, is tomorrow, I'm going to march in the shop I bought this juice from, buy the exact set-up they used (a $20 clone kit, if you can believe it... and it vaped great!), and see what the results are. I'm tired of this. I want to enjoy these juices, and I want the light flavored juices to actually taste like something on top of that.

I mean, like right now, same tank, new head, I'm vaping a menthol juice, and in the shop I just left from, the menthol tasted very green, very full. Put it into this EvODD, tastes like pretty much nothing. It's either the flavorings aren't being vaporized enough, or they're being vaporized too hot. It seems to do fine with wicking, I'm not running into dry hits at the lower settings.

 

[Thrasher]

If I were you I would then take that same exact juice with your setup back to the shop, and tell them "taste this" and see waht they have to say about it.

see if you can get one of them to set up YOUR device to run like the setup in the store, and make it work like the store version before you leave.

 

[Diogenes]

GN, this might come off like a smartaleck response, but if you have such a problem with those flavors, it might be time to change to something that tastes good at home.

I tried a Red Bull flavor at a shop, and it was good. I got home, and it was horrid. I did almost everything you did, different devices, different heads, the whole nine yards. I tried other vendors, and the taste was still bad. So, I realized that Red Bull isn't for me, at least in vape form.

 

[serenity21899]

First, juice that you test in a shop is usually well steeped by the time you test it. If you bought freshly made juice, unsteeped, the flavors have not yet had time to blend. If it is premade juice, check the born on date. It still could be at a different point in the steeping process.

The batteries used to test juice are usually not vv. Your devices generally are. You may have the voltage set too high?

Without knowing you PG/VG ratio, dark juices still tend to gunk up coils more and may not wick as well.

 

[Ryedan]

Ya'll already know I don't vape at too much power - 3.3V's and a 2.5 (actually, 2.7ohm) coil is not too much power. Tried two fresh heads. Even if the thing wasn't wicking spectacularly, eventually one juice would, and I've tried several coffees, all burnt flavor, while at the shop, they taste pleasant and really just wonderful.

I mean, if it was a wicking problem, which I don't think it is because I've had this result even on dripping atomizers, wouldn't the juice taste like its flavor but just kinda hot? Yet this is just absolutely burnt, first puff, two new heads. I've had this result on probably 15 new heads across my vaping life with coffees, even on dripping atomizers. All at safe ranges.

All coils currently have some kind of wick supplying them, drippers included.

Burnt hits happen when the coil has an area on it that is not wet enough to keep it cool. The thin film of juice there and at the edge of the hot area will fry instead of vaporize. You can have a slightly burnt taste or a very burnt taste depending on how dry and hot the coil gets. The dryer it gets, the hotter it gets, the bigger the dry area becomes the more burnt your vape becomes.

The reverse is also true. A wet coil can not burn your juice. It will not be able get hot enough to do so because it's wet.

That's really all there is to it.

If you can't make it work for you, you could get a couple of the same toppers the shop used that the coffee juices worked in and use them just for coffee.

Vape on

 

[danny4x4]

Wait GN! Don't buy the exact same setup, BUY THEIR SETUP. If it tastes good in the shop and horrible at home, then by process of elimination...... your house may not be conducive to vaping. Illogical, yes. But it's also scientific.

 

[Rickajho]

The only other possibility I can think of is there is a very big difference between the nic level in the tasters at the shop and what you are buying. It could very well be the the tasters are 0 mg nic so no one would have issues with the nic level in a taster. The only way you will now is to ask what nic level is in the taster.

What nic level are you buying? It could be something in taste of their nic base that just doesn't agree with you, and in combination with these two very specific flavors that's causing a problem.

 

[catalinaflyer]

@susieq60002 already brought it up but have your tried steeping the juice, uncapped for a few days?? Just a thought, take them, shake them really good then pull the caps off and put them in dark closet preferable in a box, cap them and shake them once a day then take the cap back off and put them back. Try this for a few days and see if that makes a difference.

Many e-liquids use flavoring that has alcohol as a carrier and the alcohol might have something to do with it. I have tried flavors at the shop, bought a fresh bottle, taken it home and it was horrid. Steeping changed all that and now I know which ones will work right out of the bottle (salted caramel) and which ones need many days of steeping (red bull & spiced cider). Steeping does many things and I have no idea all the science behind it but I do know that for me the more alcohol in the flavoring the longer it needs to steep to taste correct.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Dark, sweet, thick, artificially colored & high vg juices tend to rapidly gunk coils/wicks if too little power is used which leads to off/strange/ weird tastes.
The same juices tend to burn easily if too much power is used which leads to burnt tastes.
A coil gunked up by too little power then burned by using too much power will taste like any imaginable discription a person can think of.
Coffee & chocolate flavors especially.

The clearo's used at the shop to test flavors sit around most of the day & all night doing nothing but letting the wicks saturate and are more than likley dedicated to a single flavor. No funky flavor cross contamination.

When you sample flavors at the shop what type power device / batteries are used?
The shops I've been to provide or only allow 3.2v - 3.7v non vv ego type batteries to be used with their test toppers.
This prevents customers from ruining, shortening the useful life or causing their flavor sample clearos to taste off/ weird/ funky by over / under powering them.
You can bring your own drip atty & power device and sample flavors at whatever power level you want.

Of course as long as you vape & smoke at the same time or haven't allowed enough time to pass for your senses of taste/smell to repair / improve weird tastes can be expected.

Have a nice day.

 

[Thunderball]

@Goodnews..........Remember all of these people that actually try to help you out the next time you go on different forums and tell them how rude and un helpful everyone is on ECF.

Carry on....