Developments nessecary in E-cigs

[Rio Fantastic]

Lots of suggestions have been put forward to make the E-cigarette the same as a normal cigarette, like changing the PH of the juice, changing the molecule size of the nicotine so it's absorbed through the lungs, etc - I believe when these changes are instituted, then the E-cigarette will be totally perfect. Any more suggestions?

Does anybody know if any E-cig companies are doing research into this??

 

[wdave]

1) Keep top offs easy. Should not need a syringe to top off.

2) On black minis, insure the entire ecig is black. Even the outside of the gold battery fitting.

Just a couple suggestions so far

Dave

 

[dedmonwakin]

What do you mean changing the Ph of the juice and the molecular size of the nicotine? Lost me a little there. The acidity of the nicotine juice would probably vary through flavorings and additives (whether factory or added by suppliers), making the ph different for every available flavor/type, not to forget to mention different from the few manufacturers there are.

Nicotine, on a molecular level....how much smaller does it have to get to be absorbed in the lungs? The nicotine is being carried by the vapor, therefore, hold in till the vapor is reduced or gone, and viola....absorbing, near 100% Similar trait to analog cigs, except, not recommended holding the cigarette smoke in this way. If the nicotine in the ejuice can already be absorbed dermatologically, wouldn't the porous inner walls of our lungs absorb the nicotine to a greater degree?

Seems to me, eliminating re-sellers from re-bottling would eliminate the variable ph and variable quality of the e-juice. (This is the only market that I am aware of that this is acceptable. Someone buys a bottle of Coke-Cola, adds Cherry flavoring, re-bottles it and would you buy it?)

As for the nicotine intake, I would imagine it would be as simple as changing the way you inhale, hold, and exhale.

 

[kinabaloo]

What do you mean changing the Ph of the juice and the molecular size of the nicotine? Lost me a little there. The acidity of the nicotine juice would probably vary through flavorings and additives (whether factory or added by suppliers), making the ph different for every available flavor/type, not to forget to mention different from the few manufacturers there are.

Nicotine, on a molecular level....how much smaller does it have to get to be absorbed in the lungs? The nicotine is being carried by the vapor, therefore, hold in till the vapor is reduced or gone, and viola....absorbing, near 100% Similar trait to analog cigs, except, not recommended holding the cigarette smoke in this way. If the nicotine in the ejuice can already be absorbed dermatologically, wouldn't the porous inner walls of our lungs absorb the nicotine to a greater degree?

Seems to me, eliminating re-sellers from re-bottling would eliminate the variable ph and variable quality of the e-juice. (This is the only market that I am aware of that this is acceptable. Someone buys a bottle of Coke-Cola, adds Cherry flavoring, re-bottles it and would you buy it?)

As for the nicotine intake, I would imagine it would be as simple as changing the way you inhale, hold, and exhale.

Look into 'freebase' nicotine. Some info in the experimenters forum.

I disagree re re-bottling and coca-cola. Bad analogy. The wholesalers juice is a little more like coca extract or sugar syrup. Anyway, one can buy juice direct from China to avoid the middle-man.

 

[dedmonwakin]

Look into 'freebase' nicotine. Some info in the experimenters forum.

I disagree re re-bottling and coca-cola. Bad analogy. The wholesalers juice is a little more like coca extract or sugar syrup. Anyway, one can buy juice direct from China to avoid the middle-man.

I'll look into the experimenters forum.

I thought my analogy made sense though

Doesn't apply to suppliers that sell diy kits where the flavoring is bottled separately, or re-bottled without the additives.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

What do you mean changing the Ph of the juice and the molecular size of the nicotine? Lost me a little there. The acidity of the nicotine juice would probably vary through flavorings and additives (whether factory or added by suppliers), making the ph different for every available flavor/type, not to forget to mention different from the few manufacturers there are.

Nicotine, on a molecular level....how much smaller does it have to get to be absorbed in the lungs? The nicotine is being carried by the vapor, therefore, hold in till the vapor is reduced or gone, and viola....absorbing, near 100% Similar trait to analog cigs, except, not recommended holding the cigarette smoke in this way. If the nicotine in the ejuice can already be absorbed dermatologically, wouldn't the porous inner walls of our lungs absorb the nicotine to a greater degree?

Seems to me, eliminating re-sellers from re-bottling would eliminate the variable ph and variable quality of the e-juice. (This is the only market that I am aware of that this is acceptable. Someone buys a bottle of Coke-Cola, adds Cherry flavoring, re-bottles it and would you buy it?)

As for the nicotine intake, I would imagine it would be as simple as changing the way you inhale, hold, and exhale.

The nicotine particles in the E-liquid are too big to get absorbed through the lungs. They get absorbed in your mouth and throat, holding them in your lungs does nothing. And the "freebase nicotine" is the other thing I was referring to.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

The nicotine particles in the E-liquid are too big to get absorbed through the lungs. They get absorbed in your mouth and throat, holding them in your lungs does nothing. And the "freebase nicotine" is the other thing I was referring to.

Can you link in a source document for this, Rio?

 

[happily]

alright dude you are just up in the night. If you want a cigarette go smoke one. Chemicals are what make cigarettes do what cigarettes do. If you get your flavor and nic strength right this is 100 times easier and better tasting than analogs. If you have'nt found that satisfaction it is user error or wrong pv.

everybody wants perfect,,,,,,,,,,cigs were not perfect you just didn't know how to quit them, (like brokeback mountain) they taste like **** and kill you. How perfect is that?

 

[dedmonwakin]

The nicotine particles in the E-liquid are too big to get absorbed through the lungs. They get absorbed in your mouth and throat, holding them in your lungs does nothing. And the "freebase nicotine" is the other thing I was referring to.

I find this to be an amazing concept. And I emphasize on concept. I suppose the victims around the world exposed to asbestos, (particles larger than a nicotine molecule) could only wish this theory expanded across the board, especially those suffering from the aftermath of 9-11. Particles of any size can be absorbed by the lung to some degree, and if not, it might come up as phlegm. If it doesn't, you can eventually expect to drown due to build up or flat out respiratory failure once you've achieved an undetermined build up. With this theory, I would now question the use and recommendation of a nicotine inhaler prescribed by physicians.

Again, it's a matter of how long your willing to hold in or how frequent you inhale.


I read the Freebase thread. And I've read no evidence that the lung doesn't absorb nicotine. Freebase form, allows the nicotine to disperse into a gaseous form, allowing rapid absorption to the brain.

Mentioned in the link, ammonia is added in cigarettes to convert nicotine to a gaseous state....SO THAT WE ARE LIKELY TO BE ADDICTED and for the cigarette manufacture, this ensures a more successful rate to turn once social or experimenting smokers into, 8-o....us!


"Nicotine enters a smoker's body mostly carried on the billions of particles in cigarette smoke, Pankow said. In common with street drugs like ......., he said, nicotine's molecular structure can appear in both free-base ("unprotonated") and non-free-base ("monoprotonated") forms.

The difference is that the free-base form is missing a hydrogen ion , and this allows it to vaporize easily into a gas during smoking. "During smoking, only the free-base form can volatize from a particle into the air in the respiratory tract. Gaseous nicotine is known to deposit super-quickly in the lungs. From there, it's transported rapidly to the brain."

The study found a wide range of free-base nicotine levels among other brands such as Camel, Winston, Doral, GPC, Kamel Red, Virginia Slims, American Spirit and the French brand Gauloises. (A copy of the complete study is available upon request; see the last page for details).

OHSU researcher publishes first measurements of "free-base" nicotine in cigarette smoke

Asside from this debate.....WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT TO FREEBASE NICOTINE, ONLY TO MIRROR WHAT PHILLIP MORRIS HAS BEEN DOING????

 

[happily]

and to further deadmon's comment UREA(piss) is then added to cigs to process the ammonia through the liver and kidneys

 

[smokinsimon]

I would just like a hassle free ecig. No messing with juice. I know I'll get hammered for saying that, but I don't want to mess with liquid and filling carts, and leaking, and liquid in the mouth, or atomizers, and just all the hassle, just want to grab one and smoke it. I don't want any contact with liquid at all.
Just want a hassle free enjoyable smoke break. Would also like them to be the same size as a conventional cig with the same hit. I don't think that's too much to ask developers for.
Only way it's going to get mass acceptance in my opinion.

 

[Elendil]

I would just like a hassle free ecig. No messing with juice. I know I'll get hammered for saying that, but I don't want to mess with liquid and filling carts, and leaking, and liquid in the mouth, or atomizers, and just all the hassle, just want to grab one and smoke it. I don't want any contact with liquid at all.
Just want a hassle free enjoyable smoke break. Would also like them to be the same size as a conventional cig with the same hit. I don't think that's too much to ask developers for.
Only way it's going to get mass acceptance in my opinion.

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[CArtVapr]

To me the 510 is almost perfect, the only thing I would request is more concentrated e-liquid tobacco taste to produce a nice strong smooth deep throat hit, requiring less dripping with more satisfaction.
A stronger atomizer with higher volts to produce double vape in a device no larger than the 510 - would be awesome.

 

[happily]

Apparently no one remember's stopping what they were doing going outside and standing in the snow for 10 minutes 30 times a day. Playing with juice for 10secs is now extremely inconvenient/ or taking 7-8 seconds to plug in a battery.

 

[smokinsimon]

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Have you seen the size of those things, I saw a demo on youtube looked like the dude was smoking a baseball bat.. Those suckers are HUGE..
No I'd be good with sealed carts, something like a push valve on them, like butane cans, that only open when in contact tight with the atty, so it's sealed when not attached to the atty, valve only open when screwed all the way in.. And an atomizer that lasts 6 months min.. That would be great for me.

 

[Elendil]

To me the 510 is almost perfect, the only thing I would request is more concentrated e-liquid tobacco taste to produce a nice strong smooth deep throat hit, requiring less dripping with more satisfaction.
A stronger atomizer with higher volts to produce double vape in a device no larger than the 510 - would be awesome.

Look at a Janty Stick. It is shorter than my wife's 510 (albeit a little wider). With the 801 atty and carts, much less filling, dripping or topping off is needed. Flavor and vapor is monstrous............

 

[Rio Fantastic]

What do you mean changing the Ph of the juice and the molecular size of the nicotine? Lost me a little there. The acidity of the nicotine juice would probably vary through flavorings and additives (whether factory or added by suppliers), making the ph different for every available flavor/type, not to forget to mention different from the few manufacturers there are.

Nicotine, on a molecular level....how much smaller does it have to get to be absorbed in the lungs? The nicotine is being carried by the vapor, therefore, hold in till the vapor is reduced or gone, and viola....absorbing, near 100% Similar trait to analog cigs, except, not recommended holding the cigarette smoke in this way. If the nicotine in the ejuice can already be absorbed dermatologically, wouldn't the porous inner walls of our lungs absorb the nicotine to a greater degree?

Seems to me, eliminating re-sellers from re-bottling would eliminate the variable ph and variable quality of the e-juice. (This is the only market that I am aware of that this is acceptable. Someone buys a bottle of Coke-Cola, adds Cherry flavoring, re-bottles it and would you buy it?)

As for the nicotine intake, I would imagine it would be as simple as changing the way you inhale, hold, and exhale.

This is a thread about nicotine absorption by vaping. The information I got about lung absorption was from a thread off this forum which I found on the search engine after looking for information about nicotine hits. Basically, I think the E-cigs would be perfect if they delivered the same hit as normal cigarettes. Whether this is done by freebase nicotine or changing the pH or whatever, I don't know.

 

[CArtVapr]

Use a higher level of Nic and hold your breath, you'll get the feeling of a real analog hit as you exhale. AS the nic hits your brain, the lack of oxygen hits too. =o)

 

[dedmonwakin]

So studies show that the absorption rate of nicotine in analogs is greater than vaping, not that vaping nicotine is pointless. The link that I provided correlates with this. Nicotine laced with nitrogen(ammonia), allows it to become gaseous and some to be fully and instantaneously absorbed into the lungs instead of carried out with remaining smoke or sit in the walls of your lungs waiting to be absorbed or passed. Easily rectifiable in the realm of vaping. Add ammonia to your liquid, and your now freebasing. My heart skips a beat enough as it is when I chain vape 36mg. No thanks.

PS>..PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. Ammonia added to cigarettes may be different since it's burnt and not likely to be ingested. Besides there are different grades of Ammonia.

Anyway, I would love to have an e-cig that has chambers for carts, much like a revolver. Done with one cart, rotate to the next. Actually working on a mod like that. So, whichever first.

 

[DC2]

Rio, what in the hell are you up to now?