Diacetyl in e-liquid-please lets find out suppliers who do not use this!

[SimpleSins]

If I understand what I've read about it, it's butter flavoring that has it, and you have to inhale a whole lot of it. An occasional whiff of butterscotch or something isn't a big deal. There are a lot of things that are safe in small amounts, but dangerous in large amounts.

You have not read all the other threads, so this is not true information. It is contained in several flavors...butter, butterscotch, caramel, and tiramisu to name a few. And they have not been able to determine a safe amount to inhale. And there is a huuuuuuuge difference between what you inhale when popcorn cooks in your microwave and the stuff that you are vaporizing and pulling directly into your lungs. There is NO SAFE INHALATIONAL AMOUNT OF DIACETYL.

 

[cozzicon]

You have not read all the other threads, so this is not true information. It is contained in several flavors...butter, butterscotch, caramel, and tiramisu to name a few. And they have not been able to determine a safe amount to inhale. And there is a huuuuuuuge difference between what you inhale when popcorn cooks in your microwave and the stuff that you are vaporizing and pulling directly into your lungs. There is NO SAFE INHALATIONAL AMOUNT OF DIACETYL.

That may not be true. The workers who were affected by this chemical were exposed to it in far higher (massive) concentrations than is found in e-juice, or an e-cig is capable of delivering. Unless you were vaping pure DIACETYL.

That aside... I do not want it in my juice. However by your standards there would be no safe level for nicotine. Which there isn't.

 

[vape-addict]

Greetings-I am a newbie and I am very concerned. I have been reading on the other forums about concerns related to diacetyl in e-liquid. I don't want to slam a supplier or anything. However, I seen a popular supplier stating it was better than analogs?

My reasoning on my attempt to quit analogs is to save my lungs. Why would I intentionally inhale a chemical such as diacetyl in my lungs? Thus far, I am not impressed with some suppliers non disclosure of ingredients.

I know that other forums have threads related to this. However, since I am a newbie I cannot post on those forums yet.

I have e-mailed by favorite juice supplier with this question. If and when I obtain a response I will post it.

How do you guys feel about suppliers who think its okay to have diacetyl in their product?

Hats off to the orginal poster who posted this question on the forums. You made me think for myself!
BTW I really would like to know which companies are safe to utilize with my vaping needs. I don't know it all or express that I do. I am concerned about my lungs.
Thanks in advance for your responses.

looks like the FDA spooks are at it again

 

[shanagan]

looks like the FDA spooks are at it again

Conspiracy theories aside, google it. Decide for yourself whether you want to vape it or not.

 

[slickplaid]

Does Diacetyl bring anything to the vaping experience other than the proposed health risks?

Reminds me of the stuff where the police find gummy bears laced with ... from a concert and then raise the concern of every parent in the area saying that everyone's kids are exposed and you should beware buying gummy bears in the store.

 

[BadThad]

The thing is that this could be part of many different types of flavors and an ejuice maker could be unaware that diacetyl is present. For that matter, this has been the only concern I really have about vaping.....THE FLAVORS. Having been an industry chemist for 23 years I can tell you that flavor and odorant manufacturers are VERY tight-lipped about what exactly is in their products. Ask for an MSDS from any of them and you will see. Flavors contain many different chemicals. From a simple websearch:

For example:
3-methoxy-2-isobutyl pyrazine is a character impact item for Bell Pepper or Pea

Ethyl-2-methybutyrate is a character impact item for Apple

Trans-2-cis-6-Nonadienal and cis-6-nonenal are character impact items for Cucumber

1-octen-3-ol, (mushroom), 4-methylnonanoic acid, 4- methyloctanoic acid (Lamb)

p-menthene-8-thiol (Grapefruit)

2-methyl-3-furanthiol (Meat)

5-methyl-2-thiophenecarboxaldehyde (Almond)

5-methyl-2-hepten-4-one (Hazelnut)

isoamyl acetate (Banana), benzaldehyde (Cherry), methyl anthranilate (Concord Grape)

Source (good reading): http://www.fks.com/flavors/tech/Science of Flavor Creation.asp

 

[DocWyatt]

Not making fun of the concern as we need to know what is in liquids and they should ALL CLEARLY state what is in it.

On a side note, my roommate insists that eating corn is bad for you because it does not digest properly or something. Everyone has their own tolerance of risk...Just saying....

There is another very simple reason that suppliers should want to disclose what is in their juice - the FDA. If there is even ONE bad thing that comes out - they will swoop in as quickly as possible.

 

[BadThad]

Another example, benzaldehyde can be present in many flavors. It has an NFPA health rating of 2.

Benzaldehyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's an example MSDS:

BENZALDEHYDE

While generally recognized as "safe" I'm sure the effects of inhaling it over the long-term have never been investigated. They do list it with a chronic health warning, which always worries me with any chemical.

This is but one example out of thousands.

 

[Panini]

I think we should err on the side of caution with diatecyl. We should err on the side of caution with any element found in any e-liquid that can be damaging -- and can be easily replaced! If we start saying "a little bit of this" or "a little bit of that" won't hurt you, we are back to where we started: Cigarettes.

It isn't just "popcorn" manufacturers that have been diagnosed. Two workers from a bakery had also been diagnosed previously, thanks to diatecyl. Most alarmingly, a consumer who enjoyed two-three bags of microwave popcorn every day for ten years was diagnosed -- though he admitted to deeply inhaling the steam from each bag when he opened it. Do you vape more than twice or three times per day?

Read the studies on diatecyl and decide if you'd like to inhale it every day. Damage was found in all cases. It didn't matter if it was inhaled constantly, in pulsed concentrations, at high concentrations or low concentrations.

 

[Redbone]

That may not be true. The workers who were affected by this chemical were exposed to it in far higher (massive) concentrations than is found in e-juice, or an e-cig is capable of delivering. Unless you were vaping pure DIACETYL.

That aside... I do not want it in my juice. However by your standards there would be no safe level for nicotine. Which there isn't.

Actually, nicotine is pretty safe...

Diacetyl, not so much. The workers may have been exposed to much higher concentrations that is found in e-Juice, but we be inhaling it directly into our lungs purposely.

When you take a look at how much Diacetyl is in 'butter' flavor from FlavorArt, its actually pretty high compared to their other flavors that contain Diacetyl, and according to websites that sell the flavor, they're using pure FlavorArt flavorings...

 

[BigJohnJ]

Wish I had read this thread before I placed my big order today................Just Sayin'

 

[slickplaid]

Yeah, there are tons of stuff that we shouldn't be eating and yet it's perfectly legal to manufacturer.

 

[Redbone]

@ BigJohnJ - You may be able to cancel or change your order before it gets shipped, just a thought.

 

[JustPeachy]

Another example, benzaldehyde can be present in many flavors. It has an NFPA health rating of 2.

Benzaldehyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's an example MSDS:


BENZALDEHYDE

While generally recognized as "safe" I'm sure the effects of inhaling it over the long-term have never been investigated. They do list it with a chronic health warning, which always worries me with any chemical.

This is but one example out of thousands.

Thanks for the informative links.

 

[BigJohnJ]

Thanks Redbone, I will just go ahead and let it stand as is. but will be leary about using the juice until this has been settled. Hopefully the owner will come back and at least explain which of their products does in fact contain Diacetyl.

John

 

[shanagan]

Thanks Redbone, I will just go ahead and let it stand as is. but will be leary about using the juice until this has been settled. Hopefully the owner will come back and at least explain which of their products does in fact contain Diacetyl.

John

Judging by his last post, guess not.

 

[Jynn]

I know that Purevapes.com uses no diacetyl in his liquid, and all of the perfumer's apprentice flavorings are diacetyl free.

 

[shanagan]

That may not be true. The workers who were affected by this chemical were exposed to it in far higher (massive) concentrations than is found in e-juice, or an e-cig is capable of delivering. Unless you were vaping pure DIACETYL.

That aside... I do not want it in my juice. However by your standards there would be no safe level for nicotine. Which there isn't.

Not true: The NIOSH scientists found workers with occupational lung disease at five of the six plants; one affected worker was employed in a mixing area where mean personal exposure to diacetyl was 0.02 ppm.

From: http://defendingscience.org/case_stu...oad/Kanwal.pdf

 

[NinetyNine]

Don from Backwoods Brew (backwoodsbrew.net) just confirmed that his liquids are diacetyl-free.

Nice. Just ordered from him a day before this issue surfaced. Thanks for the info.

 

[shanagan]

Nice. Just ordered from him a day before this issue surfaced. Thanks for the info.

I was happy to see that as well - I'd been intending to place my next order with him anyway so I placed my order last night.