I saw the story and was surprised. I do not watch mainstream media because they thrive on this type of nonsense. However there is a nationwide effort to demonize vaping and I have to wonder if it is led by the control freaks or the makers of things like the patch or maybe even the cigarette companies.
Did anyone catch the piece on e-cigs on fox news just now?
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This is exactly right. The piece while disturbing in the sense of making it a prescription (which would actually save me some money
.... isn't as negative as his earlier pieces. He includes statements from others:“Cigarette smokers don't just need nicotine, they need to feel like they're smoking, and that is why e-cigarettes are so effective. You cannot vape or puff or inhale a patch. You cannot inhale a gum. you cannot puff out a nice cloud with the gum or the patch.”
And his own - 'positive, but'... type stuff:
"Are e-cigarettes safe? They are certainly safer than traditional cigarettes, which contain over 4,000 toxins. E-cigarettes, by comparison, have propylene glycol in their vapor, which has not been proven harmful to human health but needs to be further studied."
I think it shows his views may be changing - although I still don't trust him. I threw in a comment with a link to the other Dr. Siegel....
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Yeah, Christie's middle name is spelled R I N O
Clear-headed reasoning from the Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) piece you linked:
NJ's Democrat Legislature initiated and has had the proposal on the books for over a year.....
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...l-2-70-pack-cigarette-tax-5.html#post12510672
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Gutfeld hit the 'poison' stupidity hard last night. No video... yet..... I wish Fox would change Dr. Siegels
Maybe they thought they were getting 'our' Dr. (Michael) Siegel... back in '08 wasn't he quite the tobacco control expert, all about SHS?
And today's he's a leading voice of reason against his old mentor, and tsunami of lies & propaganda he spews across the land.
Apologies .. my only point is neither party is particularly to blame for the rash of proposed legislation we have seen unfold over the last year ..
We're all in this together ..
as far as PV use goes .. I'm against anyone that's against it ..
Apologies .. my only point is neither party is particularly to blame for the rash of proposed legislation we have seen unfold over the last year ..
We're all in this together ..
Only the libertarians or libertarian leaning types from either major party are on our side. That won't change.
This thread is a prime example of why I do watch FOX news.
You can always tell how effective something is by the noise level of its opponents. Just as BT and BP are raising hell over eCigs and vaping to protect their industries, the government is screaming about their inability to get FOX to toe the line and become as docile and ineffective as the other news agencies.
Every time I hear criticism of FOX, I have to go run and turn it on to see what has the establishment all up in arms. Hehe. I love watching them raise hell.
You can always tell how effective something is by the noise level of its opponents. Just as BT and BP are raising hell over eCigs and vaping to protect their industries, the government is screaming about their inability to get FOX to toe the line and become as docile and ineffective as the other news agencies.
Every time I hear criticism of FOX, I have to go run and turn it on to see what has the establishment all up in arms. Hehe. I love watching them raise hell.
Some studies say....... I can't believe that people can continue to use this lead in and no one calls them on it. It does not matter what the topic. Add the others "It has been reported"...."There have been rumors"......."Statistics show"........on and on. News reporting is now corporate controlled and ratings driven. Reporting the facts are a coincidence if it occurs at all. Has anyone heard of some plane that may or may not have crashed?
There are two Siegels!
The live segment was with the Fox's I play a doctor on TV, Marc.
The online article (NOT the article from last year, but today's) quoted Siegel the Good, aka Michael.
A pdf player roster will be posted shortly
And it was Marc who authored the trash piece last year (upon release of the original CDC survey, and their garbage presser)
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It beats having to do actual research, find facts, develop a fleshed out story....
p.s. The plane was captured by alien spacecraft....I heard it on the "news"....
It beats having to do actual research, find facts, develop a fleshed out story....
p.s. The plane was captured by alien spacecraft....I heard it on the "news"....
And 'just like "Lost" the tv series'.... and 'black hole' (CNN anchor woman). Also global warming is responsible for them not finding any remains. (Mother Jones).
...p.s. The plane was captured by alien spacecraft....I heard it on the "news"....
I knew it!!! They've come back for me, and I'm ready to go home!
Ratings always drove media. What has changed is which shows WE tune into. IMO when we trash phonics and math and logic in schools, this is what we get a generation later. Montessori and like things are the only fix I can think of, but then we have to wait a generation.....
Or we vapers can try to learn how the media listens and thinks. Well, we need two more words for what they actually do but we need to learn.
I think Volcano had it right when they did the beach cigarette-.... cleanups. Nice visual, it was recurring so they could cover it one time if the previous cleanup conflicted with actual news, nice sound bites. We need to get 1000 70-year-old vapers out somewhere saying "we're the target age group" and get cig cleanups going in other places.
If news reporting content was coincidence, we would not be losing this badly. Knowing how to get to them, and get their attention, is an art/science combination, like Special Education, and our enemies are spending money learning that art.
The unfounded and unsupported attacks now contain any and all of the following:
By-standing smoke (vapor?) is harmful (Oh my it MUST contain at least some deadly nicotine!)
There are harmful chemicals in liquid (Pick any you think will be shocking. Everything has some level of contamination by something!)
Studies have said...... (Studies never identified nor validated)
E-Liquid poisons children (Yup so does just about everything around the house) (By the way what's in that Baby food anyway?)
Leads to smoking (Huh?) (Going from a nice tasting and flavored device to a putrid foul tasting one is only logical)
Not FDA approved (Yup once the FDA approves something it's OK. Let me tell about the bad stuff FDA approved recalled daily)
Flavors are enticing to children (I have noticed ONLY children like stuff that tastes good)
The long term effects are not known (What about the long term effects of bad things that are known and approved by the FDA?)
People should just quit nicotine (Indeed and fat and sugar and.....(Tofu, sticks, and twigs for everyone!))
Nicotine is an addictive drug. (Shall we examine all the "addictive" drugs consumed everyday considered "acceptable")
If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough people will not only believe anything but not ever question anything. Welcome to the brave new world (Order?).
Gee I wonder if any studies have been studied for radioactivity? If not why not? Kind of makes me question my plan to introduce Fukushima brand E-Liquid.
This issue goes far beyond E-Cigs. Perhaps we will start standing up for our rights in general and not just those that apply to our needs and desires. Divide and conquer seems to be working well.
By-standing smoke (vapor?) is harmful (Oh my it MUST contain at least some deadly nicotine!)
There are harmful chemicals in liquid (Pick any you think will be shocking. Everything has some level of contamination by something!)
Studies have said...... (Studies never identified nor validated)
E-Liquid poisons children (Yup so does just about everything around the house) (By the way what's in that Baby food anyway?)
Leads to smoking (Huh?) (Going from a nice tasting and flavored device to a putrid foul tasting one is only logical)
Not FDA approved (Yup once the FDA approves something it's OK. Let me tell about the bad stuff FDA approved recalled daily)
Flavors are enticing to children (I have noticed ONLY children like stuff that tastes good)
The long term effects are not known (What about the long term effects of bad things that are known and approved by the FDA?)
People should just quit nicotine (Indeed and fat and sugar and.....(Tofu, sticks, and twigs for everyone!))
Nicotine is an addictive drug. (Shall we examine all the "addictive" drugs consumed everyday considered "acceptable")
If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough people will not only believe anything but not ever question anything. Welcome to the brave new world (Order?).
Gee I wonder if any studies have been studied for radioactivity? If not why not? Kind of makes me question my plan to introduce Fukushima brand E-Liquid.
This issue goes far beyond E-Cigs. Perhaps we will start standing up for our rights in general and not just those that apply to our needs and desires. Divide and conquer seems to be working well.
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