Did Clone Tutorial (genesis style)

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This is the Did Clone genesis style atomizer tutorial and everything Did. It's a group activity that invites everyone with a did clone to share their experience, tips, how to's, and possible modifications. You may also share your experience with any type of a similar model.

Remember they say pictures are worth a thousand words, so if you can pics always help.

So join in and add your knowledge. :vapor:
 

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Trying to use the very same DID clone and the 2 times I've built it I have wicking issues. :(

I can't get a wick that seems to work. Center channel is open and it does work if I tip it upside down (ala Zen style) until I see the juice flowing. It's a 50/50 mix and the same type wick is used in a Vivi Nova tank without issues.

I'm a bit frustrated as I've tried a smaller wick, bigger wick, less material, oxidized on the top portion (coil wrap area) and nothing seems to want to let this thing wick. I've read it takes a day or two to fully get pumping but this last is now on 3rd day and it's just too harsh and low on vapor I know it's just heating up the coil. 3.7v and no hotspots or shorts when it's full of juice (again, tip upside down until saturated) and hits like a train when properly saturated but 2-3 hits later it's back to near dry.

I'm still trying :)

[Edit] Oh and have #325 and #400 size mesh but both seem to react the same way.
 

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Cotton cheese cloth 8mm wide cut twisted into wick. Used 33 awg kanthal 4 tight wraps as close as possible to make a 1.7ohm coil. Made sure I placed the air hole right on the coil meaning don't skrew it down tight but close. Left the fill hole skrew out and wrapped the extra wick around the positve post and back down touching the base of the wick. Vapes just great, very happy with my did at the moment. :vapor:
 

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xMackx always nice to see cotton on a Geni ;)

As far as air holes here is a video of my new dual inline air hole mod for my mini DID clones.

I prefer the small stock Griffin air hole more than the large one. Sadly, the small air hole is too tight (even puffed light) & it hits one spot overly hot on the wick. The large hole caps are too drafty for me unless huffed hard. I took my large air hole griffin replacement cap & DID(pun intended) what needed to be done, to bring my idea to life...

I do not know the original air hole sizes, but the bit I used is a tad less than 1mm. I assume the two small holes I drilled actually allow more air in, as their total combined open area is likely more than the single large air holes open area. The two holes draw vapor loosely like the bigger air hole, but the air is not a single (little to no draw resistance) draft, aimed @ one spot one the wick. The new intake(s) still vortex air into the chamber with a venturi-like pressure effect that adds draw resistance?, I suppose as it spreads the air evenly along & inline with the vertical wick(not a single spot). It is new to mE, but I like it.

First impressions: More flavor & not too tight nor too loose, just right on the draw with even wick coverage.

I would have liked to do three 0.5-0.65mm size holes. Maybe next time

The toothpick is a quick fix solution. I will likely buy a metric tap soon to thread the hole & plug it with a screw.(or tap it to 4-40)

It would be cool to make a testing chamber with many size holes in differing patterns & screws to investigate air flow more easily, by being able to quickly reconfigure holes as needed.

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So something I was chatting on with others in IRC the other night, regarding my issue, tilting..

I now tilt towards the wick and vape at an angle upwards and it seems to wick better. Getting used to it but seems it hits much better and many few dry hits. I guess I missed that little tidbit of info in the Genny User's guide :)

Giving this a refill now to see how the second tank runs..

Cheers,
~Icky
 

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I run a SS wick, 400 mesh rolled tight and a lil smaller diameter than the wick hole. I keep the fill screw out and run at about 1.4ohm with 32g A-1 wire. I have no wicking issues whatsoever with this setup. I can't friggin stand to tilt any of my genesis style atomizers so I build them so I don't have to. I can vape mine at any angle without issue except for keeping the wick down when the tank is getting really low but I usually don't let it go that empty.
 

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I run a SS wick, 400 mesh rolled tight and a lil smaller diameter than the wick hole. I keep the fill screw out and run at about 1.4ohm with 32g A-1 wire. I have no wicking issues whatsoever with this setup. I can't friggin stand to tilt any of my genesis style atomizers so I build them so I don't have to. I can vape mine at any angle without issue except for keeping the wick down when the tank is getting really low but I usually don't let it go that empty.

I'm running pretty much the same and have tried smaller diameter wicks and larger as well pulling it closer to the center positive post. I would love to find out your tricks of the trade because while it is vaping great now that I've tilted it a few times if I go back more upright it starts to lessen until it's a severe dry hit.

For info I've wrapped a 2.0-2.5ohm coil on #325 and #400 with 32g A-1 Kanthal (4/5 wrap) and running it from any number of voltages from 3.3v up to 4.5v with the same success. It takes longer at the lower voltages of course and produces less vapor and a serious TH that would choke a donkey, lol. As soon as I tip it and let it wick down some it's good for a few hits or if I tilt it each hit it seems to work well.

I'm sure it's user error here but I'm clean on coils and I think wicks but again still might be me :)

Cheers,
~Icky
 

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Are you doing juice burning? I find that that works very well. Coat your wick in juice, hold it vertical with a pair of pliers, light the top and let it burn to the bottom. You'll notice that it will make the SS glow as well. I'm not sure if it's hot enough to be oxidizing, but I like to assume it's doing 2 things at once. I also find that the more the wick has been used, the less shorting you'll have. Make sure you're not wrapping the coil too tight so that it doesn't dig into the mesh. You want the coil to evenly be in contact with the wick, but not to make a good enough contact with the mesh to entice the electrons into entering the mesh. Remember, electricity will always follow the path of least resistance. I find that top coil shorts are often caused when you tighten the positive screws, the wire will get pulled tightly into the mesh. Bottom hot spots are usually caused by long, loose leads to the negative screw, and anything in the middle is an oxidizing issue.

Look for Zen's video on youtube (I believe he is sitting outside at a picnic table showing a bunch of people how to coil a genesis. I use his method of turning the atty while firmly, but not tightly, holding the wire. Tooth picks work great for adjusting your coil (poke the wire from above or below, don't drag the tip of the tooth pick along the mesh, you could scratch off oxidization). Adjust your coil while the wire is still warm (not red hot, you'll end up burning the tooth pick), that way they'll stay where you put them.

For wick (I have the same ChID as you) I take 500 mesh and make a wick that is 6-6.5 cm in width, hold the piece with pliers and with a kitchen stove (gas) oxidize it as evenly as possible, then roll it up really tightly (it will have to be super tight to fit into the wick hole, if it fits it's good) with as small a center hole as I can get (almost non existant - I can't get anything down the hole, but if I put the fill hole in bubbles will come out of the bottom of the wick, so air is still traveling though), then with the stove I'll oxidize that some more. Get it nice and evenly dark grey (not black and ashy), then I do the juice method I mentioned earlier a few times. Test it with a multi meter (poke the probes all over it and see if it completes the circuit).

I leave the fill screw out and it wicks boba's bounty just fine, even in the car with the windows down in 40 degree weather.

More than anything it's trial and error to get it right, while following a few principles which is why this post seems so complicated (and everyone will tell you to do something different), but it's really not that hard or time consuming once you get the hang of it.

I stay away from the rolling paper trick, it does work if you wrap your coil very tightly (never wrap it that tightly when not using rolling paper though), but I find that it weirds up the flavor.

Zen video here.
 
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I oxidize my mesh while unrolled, 2 maybe 3 quick passes per side with my lil butane torch. I only oxidize until the color of the mesh is gold/dark brown.........this is very important, you don't want to "over-oxidize" the wick as this can lead to a "brittle" and fragile oxidized layer that can be very finicky.

Once I've oxidized I roll the wick by hand.....no paperclip, no needle......just keep rolling it with yer fingers while adding more and more pressure until it starts to get the size you need(I test fit on the wick hole as I'm rolling). I like to roll my wicks smaller than the diameter of the wick hole on all my atomizers so there is extra room for air return.

At this point the wick will be nice and tightly rolled but still a lil "floppy" (not stiff), I think this is where a lot of folks start to have issues. Some methods state that you need to quench the wick a few times (this stiffens or hardens the wick)......here is where I disagree. Quenching a wick will give it stiffness and make it a lil easier to work with but to do so you have to heat the wick red hot and then quench.........this heating red hot can get you into that "over-oxidized" area and tho it might be easier to wrap a coil you run the risk of it shorting easier as well.

What I do instead of full on quenching: I take my freshly oxidized and rolled wick and give it 1 very light pass with the torch and then drip some juice on the wick. I then light the juice and let it burn away (juice burn). I do this about 3/4 times, each time dripping new juice on the wick once the juice has burned away. This will add a lil bit of rigidity and give a good juice coating to the wick that helps with wicking and helps with shorts.

Once all that is done I will throw the wick in the atomizer and stick a paperclip down the wick hole to hold the wick steady and simply wrap my coil.......I wrap it tight but, as stated above, just tight enough so that each coil is in contact with the wick.

I pull out the paperclip and I do my test fire and coil adjustment. Using this method my coil adjustments on test fire are very very minimal and many times not even needed. I can do a full wick and coil from start to finish in well under 10min......just a coil change in about 1-2min.

I will say one thing, there is no substitute for practice......I went through every method and trick (band-aid fix) for trying to eliminate shorts but I just kept practicing...................now my Provari hasn't seen an E1 error in ages ;)

Hope this helps, lemme know if ya have any questions. :toast:
 
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Well I have bored the wick hole wider on my did clone today to convert to cotton, as I like it better. I will take pics when I'm done modding later today.

But then it won't be a genesis anymore... ;)

Props on drilling out a DUD without ruining it- I've heard nothing but horror stories about people attempting to do the same thing, and destroying their coil base at the same time.
 

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I bored the wick hole and the fill skrew hole both to 4mm diameter. Cut cheese cloth 11m wide and twisted to make a 2mm diameter wick. I wrapped a 5 wrap 33 awg kanthal coil tight and close that came out 2ohms. I filled the juice tank, primed the wick on top and let it soak.

First hit tasted clean and deliscious, and vapes soft fluffy clouds of vapor just the way I like. No break in period at all, just have to let the cotton soak before using so it can fully expand.
 

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An simple over head view of the atomizer head/base the way I converted it to cotton.

Also if you're worried about having 2 wick holes that are 4mm and may want to use ss mesh in the future you can either plug one hole with cotton or install a dual coil (secondary air hole needed.

My next mod might be a dual coil.
 

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ive been using SS mesh/ cotton in 3 of my phoenixs and its been absolutely amazing. i have a DID clone and an AGA on the way and i plan to use only SS mesh. unless i have problems, wich i dont plan on having.

remember, LESS is more. you shouldnt have to tilt your mod ever. if you do, then its not wicking. i use #400 mesh and 28 - 32 g kanthal. all i can say is SS can take some major wattage and not taste burnt. its awesome. im vaping juices at 10.5 watts that normally would taste burnt with anything past 7 watts
 

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ive been using SS mesh/ cotton in 3 of my phoenixs and its been absolutely amazing. i have a DID clone and an AGA on the way and i plan to use only SS mesh. unless i have problems, wich i dont plan on having.

remember, LESS is more. you shouldnt have to tilt your mod ever. if you do, then its not wicking. i use #400 mesh and 28 - 32 g kanthal. all i can say is SS can take some major wattage and not taste burnt. its awesome. im vaping juices at 10.5 watts that normally would taste burnt with anything past 7 watts

Yeah my switch to cotton was purely based on my preference. What I don't like is using wick materials that can take super heating. When with cotton you're supplying extra juice to keep the coil at perfect vaping temperature. If done right it has no break in period, no oxidizing, heating and quenching, and no shorts. So much of this hobby is based on preference, skill, and personal taste.
 

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absolutely. cotton cheesecloth was my first wick i used for the phoenix that i really enjoyed the flavor from. but when i switched to SSmesh/cotton it changed. last night i also made a vertical cotton/SS hybrid in my phoenix and its killer. the air hole is filed out a bit and can be aligned right next to the wick for huge clouds of vapor. at first i used riptrippers method of ss mesh/cotton on the phoenix, but i think i might change to vertical now. ahh i just need to get my did and aga asap
 

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i cant figure out why my vapor production is so low. im using the vulcan rba
Vulcan (DID Clone) - Rebuildable Atomizer Tank (Clear Tank)
ive got 32awg kenthal and #400 mesh 2" x 1 1/8" size. i oxidized and quenched the wick in both water and VG.
the coil is wrapped around the wick 6 times. it was 2.5 ohms at first, then it fluctuated wildly including giving me OP messages on my provari, then it settled in on 1.6ohms (this is all while not adjusting the coil at all). im running it at 3.9 volts currently, but ive gone from 3.3 to 4.3 searching for the sweet spot to no avail.
the flavor and TH is great, but my clouds are small. should i just not expect big plumes or am i doing something wrong?
 
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