DID WE WIN???????
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Me, too! I haven't counted my apocalypse stash because it's bad luck to count your vapes while they are sitting in the closet, loosely quoting Kenny Rogers. I've bought a lot on sale, but half of it is top notch gear at the time I bought it and the other stuff I picked up on sale at closeout prices.
I'm still looking for a few deals, but they need to be really good stuff at really good prices.
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Me, too. Trump's administration with all his Tweets and bragging seems to be able to keep some things quiet until they happen. Changing the Guard at the top of the FDA didn't hurt a bit. Looks like we have a friend in the White House and now in the top office at the FDA.
You could tell that the FDA was orginally siding with Big Tobacco because of the funding that comes though tobacco taxes and the Master Settlement. Trump's not a tobacco person, but maybe he sees that vaping is a stepping stone to quitting tobacco.
Time will tell. Let's hope they aren't planning on hanging high sin taxes on the Vaping World to offset the loss as tobacco wanes.
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Makes me wonder how many vapers were blissfully unaware that we just got some much needed reprieve. I wasn't aware of the deeming regs before joining ECF!
TBH, no. Go read Gottlieb's Senate confirmation hearing transcripts. He was clearly evasive about what position he would take on regulation on e cigs. Outside of supporting limiting access for underage users, he refused to state he wanted to heavily regulate and strangle vaping. This isn't new territory for him, and in the absence of resistance from his boss Secretary Price at HHS (who also has had comments voiced about ENDS as a way to decrease smoking rates) I expected him to announce something like this sooner or later.
What I was surprised by was the timing. He appears to have waited for that Jackson decision to come out first. He even managed to turn that decision into a benefit FOR vaping by stating the court clearly established his and the FDA's right to pursue regulation AND implement it as they saw fit for public health. He views the public's health as being improved by the availability of vaping to allow us to keep off of combustible tobacco products. I wonder how he would have handled this in the Plaintiffs had the decision in their favor. In a sense, this is a cleaner outcome than dealing with a Plaintiff win and come under political pressure to appeal. That would not have left him with a strong hand to push the comply by dates back by years, and by requiring more complete disclosure on just what reasonable applications needed to provide for approval. And he essentially stated those applications aren't required to demonstrate no risk, just reduced risk in comparison to cigarettes.
This was really a pretty slick way to pivot on policy. The soccer moms are happy with no cartoon characters on labels, and vapers get to stay off cigarettes while still maintaining surveillance of how vaping is working out over the long term. As he noted, it may take another generation 30 years down the road to really see the net benefit to the public. Which is accurate. But he also doesn't think we need to wait 30 years to provide that benefit. He even points out why wait for 17 million more to die of tobacco related illness before acting. And he really drew a line between cigarettes and vaping by specifically stating the nicotine in vape juice can and should remain high enough to keep vapers from returning to smoking, further distancing the two products.
And while vaping might still be a "tobacco product" under the TCA, it is not a combustible tobacco product and requires different regulation and encouragement over cigarette use.
And while vaping might still be a "tobacco product" under the TCA, it is not a combustible tobacco product and requires different regulation and encouragement over cigarette use.
I haven't had much time to digest this but it seems a brilliant stroke of politics. The so-called tobacco control crowd gets their wings mostly clipped. There don't seem to be many howls of protest.It doesn't reduce the importance of my stockpile but it's clearly a huge win for smokers who have yet too discover vaping. I agree that ending the tobacco age is the most important thing and my vape comes second. That doesn't mean I'm personally following anybody's yet-to-be-decided party line. My extra mods and atomizers are stored, my nic is...yup...in the freezer.
The mistakes over Russia aren't to be mentioned here.Sshhh.
Or the current Obama care business. Ssshh
Flynn?
Iran?
Hillary as President?
To be fair, you didn't have much of a choice.
As South Park said. It was between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.
Whatever though, as long as I can take my vape into WW3
it's all good
A little part of me would love for Trump to tell the nanny antz to gothemselves.
I think he just did. :?)
I'd call it more of a stay of execution. Don't think for a minute that big tobacco and big pharma won't continue to throw their millions towards an attempt to make things go their way. We need to keep fighting, it's not over yet!
Cool. Now I feel confident in ordering from FT again.
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Ha freaking Ha!
Nightly Business Report – July 28, 2017 (12:40)
Ha freaking Ha!
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The FDA will reclassify electrontic cigarettes as "COVFEFE" in a Tweet tomorrow morning at 0600.
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and a big part of me would love to see it tooA little part of me would love for Trump to tell the nanny antz to go
No one gets it so far. My Android spell checker changes my perfectly good typed words to meaningless crap too often.
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