Difference between the ZMax and Provari?

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I don't think a lawnmower blade would kill a provari.

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It did when it was attached to a commercial grade lawnmower but I appreciate the visual there, I really do.

Heres the link http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/416717-provari-mini-vs-briggs-stratton-winner.html
 
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Can I be in the cult? I've always wanted to be in a cult. And I've seen Blue Oyster Cult in concert, if that carries any weight.

Manson wouldn't have me, back in the 60's. Said I was crazy.

Now, back to the OP, the differences are vast and many, and reflected in the prices. ZMax is good, Provari is great. And let the haters hate.

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So, if a Provari can survive a lawn mower attack, does that mean we don't fear the reaper?
 

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I'll take that bet! My Provari has already surved a 40mph side impact collision that knocked it out of my hand and 50 yards down the pavement. Hardly a scratch on it and it fired right up. Outside of a lawnmower blade hitting it, Ive yet to see anything destroy a Provari.

For those asking for side-by-side comparisons, some things cant be translated well with words or pictures. You have to experience them for yourself to see.

This is a great opportunity to seek out a local vape meet. You can check here and on facebook.They are great places to meet fellow vapers and try out new devices for yourself.....and when its all said and done thats the only opinion that really matters in regards to your vaping any way.

Well and that's the idea, words don't translate well. Anecdotes are all well and good, but while you see a pretty crazy large chunk of people talking about how amazing this device they well expect to be amazing for the price is, you don't actually see a lot of side by side comparisons of actual craftsmanship or durability.... mostly just regurgitation.

which again, is all well and fine, but the problem comes up when things start to get fanatical. "you either own a provari or you don't understand..." and etc.

Guy had a provari in a local vape shop. Felt nice, for sure.... but it didn't produce any otherworldly or impossibly amazing vapor.

I like how my vamo feels. Had it broken when I dropped it down the cliffside, it would have been 30 bucks for a new one. If I did that 4 times a year, my total cost would still be less than a provari, and that's if I couldn't fix it myself.

Regarding the pulse modulation, I can't find any real reason why this would matter, the frequency at which it pulses.... nor do I hear anything strange when I fire my vamo.

But again, these are anecdotes and simple observed comparisons. For the provari to really prove it's place, a million anecdotes don't mean much. There are entire forums dedicated to people who will swear lizard people exist and are from the center of the earth, or that the earth is flat. a HUGE number of people think the USA was behind 9/11.

That doesn't mean these people are right, it means they are loud, and crazy, or simply found a place to congregate.

And again, I don't want to draw a harsh comparison, most provari owners aren't as bad as flat-earthers, or uh.... what do they call themselves, truthers?

There are a lot of who fanatically love the thing though, and are offended that other people would purchase chinese made mods with similar features and function. Me, I find that a little racist and lacking in understanding of how commerce works, but again, I don't want to turn the whole thing into an us vs them.

Rather, I'd like something solid to go on. Some real comparison.... to at least come to when trying to say it's gods greatest gift to electrical vaporization devices.

I had to put an o-ring on my vamo so everything I own would seat good on it. that's a little bit of user maintenance. I had a lot, for body jewelry stuff, and a silicone one popped in there in about 25 seconds.

for my 30 bucks, I couldn't ask for more. When I discovered RMS mode in my vamo (which they should really mention, like, in the package or something) all my complaints were gone. from 4.2v to 3.4, it produces perfectly smooth and 100% even and reliable vapor in variable wattage RMS mode with every device I own.

Is it possible that the provari would offer some improvement? I don't think so, but i have one test-run in a shop with samples to go on.

Is it possible it's more durable? Oh, for sure. But.... if my vamo broke, I could fix it. If I could not, a new one is cheap as balls.

Is it possible the Provari is, in all possible questions and potential uses, better than every other mod? No, jesus, of course not.

You can't account for taste.

You can, however, back up the claims you make, and again, with something more than anecdotes. Anecdotes aren't worth their weight in atmosphere.

Yesterday, I saw a ghost, and it gave me 50 bucks. But... that doesn't mean ghosts exists, or that I have 50 ghost dollars.

Also, wouldn't the force of a 40mph contact break your wrist?
 

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Alright, I have a question for you guys. I have 2 ego-twists, and I was thinking about upgrading. Is the provari an upgrade?

Has anyone done side by side tests to confirm the provari is an upgrade? Some people say the provari is a better mod, some people says the twist is. I know they come very close, so this might end up becoming a complex discussion.

In the name of science, I think the ONLY way to determine which is better (ego twist vs. provari) would be to start a challenge. Here's the deal:

I will run over my ego twist , using a F-150 truck. I'm going to need SOMEONE to run over their provari, using an F-150, or vehicle of equal weight.

Who is up to the challenge?

Whichever mod has the most guts still attached to it wins :D

I started vaping with Joyetech ego pass throughs. I needed more battery power so I couldn't find the 1000 mah pass throughs so I bought two I got two twists. The journey started, my only gripe with the twists is that unlike the passthroughs the light doesn't change to indicate battery level. If they would have had that batt indicator on the button I would have about five now.
i needed to know for sure my battery level.
But I am happy with what I have now. I can't say anything bad about joyetech ego batts, love em
 

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Well and that's the idea, words don't translate well. Anecdotes are all well and good, but while you see a pretty crazy large chunk of people talking about how amazing this device they well expect to be amazing for the price is, you don't actually see a lot of side by side comparisons of actual craftsmanship or durability.... mostly just regurgitation.

What mass-produced tube mod can compare to a ProVari regarding craftsmanship and durability? Maybe there hasn't been such a study, because none exist.
 

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Well and that's the idea, words don't translate well. Anecdotes are all well and good, but while you see a pretty crazy large chunk of people talking about how amazing this device they well expect to be amazing for the price is, you don't actually see a lot of side by side comparisons of actual craftsmanship or durability.... mostly just regurgitation.

which again, is all well and fine, but the problem comes up when things start to get fanatical. "you either own a provari or you don't understand..." and etc.

Guy had a provari in a local vape shop. Felt nice, for sure.... but it didn't produce any otherworldly or impossibly amazing vapor.

I like how my vamo feels. Had it broken when I dropped it down the cliffside, it would have been 30 bucks for a new one. If I did that 4 times a year, my total cost would still be less than a provari, and that's if I couldn't fix it myself.

Regarding the pulse modulation, I can't find any real reason why this would matter, the frequency at which it pulses.... nor do I hear anything strange when I fire my vamo.

But again, these are anecdotes and simple observed comparisons. For the provari to really prove it's place, a million anecdotes don't mean much. There are entire forums dedicated to people who will swear lizard people exist and are from the center of the earth, or that the earth is flat. a HUGE number of people think the USA was behind 9/11.

That doesn't mean these people are right, it means they are loud, and crazy, or simply found a place to congregate.

And again, I don't want to draw a harsh comparison, most provari owners aren't as bad as flat-earthers, or uh.... what do they call themselves, truthers?

There are a lot of who fanatically love the thing though, and are offended that other people would purchase chinese made mods with similar features and function. Me, I find that a little racist and lacking in understanding of how commerce works, but again, I don't want to turn the whole thing into an us vs them.

Rather, I'd like something solid to go on. Some real comparison.... to at least come to when trying to say it's gods greatest gift to electrical vaporization devices.

I had to put an o-ring on my vamo so everything I own would seat good on it. that's a little bit of user maintenance. I had a lot, for body jewelry stuff, and a silicone one popped in there in about 25 seconds.

for my 30 bucks, I couldn't ask for more. When I discovered RMS mode in my vamo (which they should really mention, like, in the package or something) all my complaints were gone. from 4.2v to 3.4, it produces perfectly smooth and 100% even and reliable vapor in variable wattage RMS mode with every device I own.

Is it possible that the provari would offer some improvement? I don't think so, but i have one test-run in a shop with samples to go on.

Is it possible it's more durable? Oh, for sure. But.... if my vamo broke, I could fix it. If I could not, a new one is cheap as balls.

Is it possible the Provari is, in all possible questions and potential uses, better than every other mod? No, jesus, of course not.

You can't account for taste.

You can, however, back up the claims you make, and again, with something more than anecdotes. Anecdotes aren't worth their weight in atmosphere.

Yesterday, I saw a ghost, and it gave me 50 bucks. But... that doesn't mean ghosts exists, or that I have 50 ghost dollars.

Also, wouldn't the force of a 40mph contact break your wrist?

What did you spend the 50 bucks on?

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What mass-produced tube mod can compare to a ProVari regarding craftsmanship and durability? Maybe there hasn't been such a study, because none exist.

These aare what I'm getting at, stevegmu. "My mod is so good, you couldn't possibly even begin to compare it to other mods, no matter how satisfying or how good the reviews are, they simply cannot compare."

On what grounds is a mass produced mod not comparable? Many readily available mods have similar features; 18650/similar form factor battery usage, protective circuitry, ohm readout, and variable voltage or wattage.

Why wouldn't we be able to compare them?
 

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What mass-produced tube mod can compare to a ProVari regarding craftsmanship and durability? Maybe there hasn't been such a study, because none exist.

Yeah I do consider myself a homer, u betcha.
Do I always buy American? No.
But when it really matters, and a USA product is made better and I can afford it I will.
Especially when there is a proven track record, and what that company produces is what I desire; need.

American companies need to focus on quality and paying skilled workers a fair wage.
America needs to get back to developing their own talent from cradle to grave.
Give as much honor to trades as they do white collar professions.
Heck you got kids graduating college with useless basket weaving degrees working at Starbucks.
Yeah and the govt needs to keep trade school and college education affordable. Can anyone say
junior colleges. Quit outsourcing quit dumbing down the youth.

Everyone wants to gripe about the price of a Provari.
I'm probably gonna screw this joke up but here goes.

There was a guy who needed to find a job so he woke up, threw on his clothes made in China.
Had a cup of coffe from his coffee pot made in Mexico, put on his shoes and clothes
made in Canada. Jumped in his car made in Japan. Searched and couldn't find anything.
So he returns home turns on his TV made in China sits on his couch made there as well,
and wonders why he can't find a good American job.

Sometimes we put money before our well being of our countrymen.
Because what affects one ultimately affects us all.
 

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These aare what I'm getting at, stevegmu. "My mod is so good, you couldn't possibly even begin to compare it to other mods, no matter how satisfying or how good the reviews are, they simply cannot compare."

On what grounds is a mass produced mod not comparable? Many readily available mods have similar features; 18650/similar form factor battery usage, protective circuitry, ohm readout, and variable voltage or wattage.

Why wouldn't we be able to compare them?

I'm not talking about function, but machining and fit and finish. How many crooked screens have you seen in Chinese mods? How about threading? Do caps thread on as well on the Chinese mods as they do on a ProVari? How about the metal itself? Is it stainless, or Chinese mystery metal? They even aligned the screws of the window on mine- they are both in the exact position.

Take a look at a base on a ProTank 2 and a Tatroe ProTank base. Comparing the 2 would be a joke. It is obvious by simply looking at them which is made in the US and which is made in China. Thread them on a ProVari and the answer is even clearer. They screw on as smooth as the base of a ProVari does- like butter.

Other mods may have as many features and more than a ProVari, but none of the China-made ones can even compare when it comes to machining and fit and finish. That's why the main argument for buying the other ones is price, not craftsmanship. I tend to think if something is made extremely well, it probably functions extremely well, as well.

I also buy American whenever possible. I work in manufacturing.
 

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God gave us Provari directly from his divine hand. He told me personally not in a god to person voice that would just be crazy, but rather instilled it in my subconsciousness.

If you dont own a Provari at the end of times The beast will consume your soul!

I hope mine arrives tomorrow then so I'll be safe! Please dont let the end of times happen before it gets to me!
 

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I'm not talking about function, but machining and fit and finish. How many crooked screens have you seen in Chinese mods? How about threading? Do caps thread on as well on the Chinese mods as they do on a ProVari? How about the metal itself? Is it stainless, or Chinese mystery metal? They even aligned the screws of the window on mine- they are both in the exact position.

Take a look at a base on a ProTank 2 and a Tatroe ProTank base. Comparing the 2 would be a joke. It is obvious by simply looking at them which is made in the US and which is made in China. Thread them on a ProVari and the answer is even clearer. They screw on as smooth as the base of a ProVari does- like butter.

Other mods may have as many features and more than a ProVari, but none of the China-made ones can even compare when it comes to machining and fit and finish. That's why the main argument for buying the other ones is price, not craftsmanship. I tend to think if something is made extremely well, it probably functions extremely well, as well.

I also buy American whenever possible. I work in manufacturing.

Um.... The metal in your provari was forged in china.... just machined in america.

the fit on my vamo is spectacular with everything I've thrown at it, save for one iclear30 that's either a bad clone (you get what you pay for) or poorly machined. Looks just like my others but the threads are crappy. It does happen.

As for the finish? Got the black one, looks great. threw a j-wrap on it because really, I don't care that much; function over form, for this type of thing, is what I care about. That's not to say craftsmanship doesn't have it's place, for sure!

But if I really wanted craftsmanship, I'd probably get a hand made wood mod.

The tatroe protank is a cap, not a base... you're still threading a chinese-made base onto your provari, and probably chinese assembled and manufactured heads, so that seems like a weird middle ground, wouldn't you be better off buying a 100% american made clearo?
 

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Alright, I have a question for you guys. I have 2 ego-twists, and I was thinking about upgrading. Is the provari an upgrade?

Has anyone done side by side tests to confirm the provari is an upgrade? Some people say the provari is a better mod, some people says the twist is. I know they come very close, so this might end up becoming a complex discussion.

In the name of science, I think the ONLY way to determine which is better (ego twist vs. provari) would be to start a challenge. Here's the deal:

I will run over my ego twist , using a F-150 truck. I'm going to need SOMEONE to run over their provari, using an F-150, or vehicle of equal weight.

Who is up to the challenge?

Whichever mod has the most guts still attached to it wins :D

I have a better one. You and I can cage fight with our mods and whichever of us beats the cr@p out of the other wins. I'll use my mini ProVari and you can use your Twist. In fact, considering there is a fairly good chance I'm older then your mom, you can use both of your Twists.
 
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