different coils at the same time

[VOIDeater76]

I'm planning a build where the coils will be 2 different builds. The plan I have is a 5 wrap 4mm coil in 24g and a 5 wrap 2'll in 26g. My coil calculator reads that they will be about the same resistance, but I'm wondering how the difference in heading would be. Anyone with some experience in this have any words of wisdom?

 

[rob33]

I'm no expert, but we've always been told by the wizards to only use matching coils. Worst thing could happen is you get fried to a crisp and we never hear from again, on the other hand it could work fine.

 

[VOIDeater76]

I'm no expert, but we've always been told by the wizards to only use matching coils. Worst thing could happen is you get fried to a crisp and we never hear from again, on the other hand it could work fine.

I can understand that. Especially if I used a mech mod, I wouldn't take the risk. I have the (admittedly stupid) concept that my regulated mod can allow for a little more safety in my builds.

What gave my the idea for different coils was a build video where one coil was a ribbon coil and the other was a thin gauge coil with a Dragon wick. The diameters looked closer, though

 

[rob33]

When this forum started there was some really smart electronics guys on here. I don't know where they got to. IMHO if the Ωs are the same on each side it may work fine

 

[Kprthevapr]

You may run into the problem of one heating faster than the other. The thicker the wire, the longer it takes to heat up.

 

[Tintreach]

Resistance wise if they are the same it shouldn't matter. Gauge size and coil daim will impact the ramp up speed though and overall temp of the coil which if I am reading this right you are trying to get 2 coils to fire at different temps?

You didn't mention the type of wire you'll be using though. 5 wraps of xG wire doesn't mean much unless the material is know. Kanthal you'll be about .6 but SS you'll be about .25 per coil so / 2 = .125 overall resistance. You'll see a bigger variance in coil temp and ramp time the higher the resistance the coils you use which would give you more wiggle room on finding the sweet spot via VW adjustments.

Since you are using a regulated mod....go for it. In the realm of learning things you'll start to understand parallel resistance, and how wire and coils sizes are impacted by size and current and the correlation the coil temperature.

Stay in spec of what your mod can handle.
Play with a regulated mod and not a mech for this type of stuff.
Here is a good read explaining loads with parallel resistance that you may find helpful
Electrical/Electronic - Series Circuits
Cross check everything with ohms law
Also remember, current follows the path of least resistance.

I can tell you what will happen though at least with a moderate resistance. The smaller coil will fire hotter than the other until the other one catches up close in temp. The bigger coil may(probably will) stay cooler due to the gauge size and the coil diam since it will have more juice to effectively cool it down and has more thermal mass. It will also take longer too cool off due to the thermal mass.

At the end of the day you'll probably just use same size coils though for just simplicity unless you are trying to dial in specific flavor notes for a specific juice. Or you could wait for the Fusion 2-in-1 mod (assuming it is worth a hoot) and truly understand more beyond this exercise. It all boils down, literally, to coil temp and flavor

 

[VOIDeater76]

Resistance wise if they are the same it shouldn't matter. Gauge size and coil daim will impact the ramp up speed though and overall temp of the coil which if I am reading this right you are trying to get 2 coils to fire at different temps?

You didn't mention the type of wire you'll be using though. 5 wraps of xG wire doesn't mean much unless the material is know. Kanthal you'll be about .6 but SS you'll be about .25 per coil so / 2 = .125 overall resistance. You'll see a bigger variance in coil temp and ramp time the higher the resistance the coils you use which would give you more wiggle room on finding the sweet spot via VW adjustments.

Since you are using a regulated mod....go for it. In the realm of learning things you'll start to understand parallel resistance, and how wire and coils sizes are impacted by size and current and the correlation the coil temperature.

Stay in spec of what your mod can handle.
Play with a regulated mod and not a mech for this type of stuff.
Here is a good read explaining loads with parallel resistance that you may find helpful
Electrical/Electronic - Series Circuits
Cross check everything with ohms law
Also remember, current follows the path of least resistance.

I can tell you what will happen though at least with a moderate resistance. The smaller coil will fire hotter than the other until the other one catches up close in temp. The bigger coil may(probably will) stay cooler due to the gauge size and the coil diam since it will have more juice to effectively cool it down and has more thermal mass. It will also take longer too cool off due to the thermal mass.

At the end of the day you'll probably just use same size coils though for just simplicity unless you are trying to dial in specific flavor notes for a specific juice. Or you could wait for the Fusion 2-in-1 mod (assuming it is worth a hoot) and truly understand more beyond this exercise. It all boils down, literally, to coil temp and flavor

Thanks for all the tips! I'm using nichrome 80 as my material. The overall goal is to sort of bring out a different flavour complexity, maybe even when dripping 2 flavours.

From what you said, I assume my odds may be better if the larger coil is made of thinner wire to counter the ramp up time. Sound about right?

 

[bwh79]

To me it doesn't seem any different than a "staged heating" coil where you wrap a parallel coil with two different gauges of wire so one heats up before the other. This way you're just separating the two strands and mounting them on opposite sides of the posts but electrically it's the same circuit.

 

[Tintreach]

To me it doesn't seem any different than a "staged heating" coil where you wrap a parallel coil with two different gauges of wire so one heats up before the other. This way you're just separating the two strands and mounting them on opposite sides of the posts but electrically it's the same circuit.

True, but he misses the educational part how the coils work and taste individually. It's hard to make a pie unless you have a full understanding about the sum of it's ingredients.

From what you said, I assume my odds may be better if the larger coil is made of thinner wire to counter the ramp up time. Sound about right?

Don't worry about, go just build coils and play. Take notes, always check your math and make sure you are doing this safely with a regulated mod. Make 4 coils and try them all out in different combinations, you'll learn more by doing that than speculating what will or won't work. I can tell you what will probably happen all day long but you wont truly grasp it until you built it, watch it and vape it.... then it will all click. Play around for a week, buy more wire. Next week you'll be doing twisted and parallel coils and then you'll be doing more advanced things soon after that.

I will always tell people advance vaping is half electronic fundamentals and half culinary with a splash of art. Once you figure out all the fundamental stuff then you can elaborate from there with that knowledge. Just be safe!

 

[ChelsB]

I can understand that. Especially if I used a mech mod, I wouldn't take the risk. I have the (admittedly stupid) concept that my regulated mod can allow for a little more safety in my builds.

What gave my the idea for different coils was a build video where one coil was a ribbon coil and the other was a thin gauge coil with a Dragon wick. The diameters looked closer, though

Do you have a link for that video? I'd be interested to see it


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[VOIDeater76]

Do you have a link for that video? I'd be interested to see it


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[vapdivrr]

Years ago we use to call them diaper coils because you wicked underneath them. Just not sure of 2 different types of coils in a tank, nothing wrong with trying, but I don't think one can detect your logic in the vape. One coil for flavor and one for clouds? Sounds good though

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[Bad Ninja]

I can understand that. Especially if I used a mech mod, I wouldn't take the risk. I have the (admittedly stupid) concept that my regulated mod can allow for a little more safety in my builds.

What gave my the idea for different coils was a build video where one coil was a ribbon coil and the other was a thin gauge coil with a Dragon wick. The diameters looked closer, though

This post tell us you really don't understand how your gear works.

You should stop listening to whatever "wizards" are advising you, and take the time to learn about the gear you plan on using.
It sounds like the wizards don't understand how their gear works either.


Back to the op:
The coil with the thicker guage wire will heat slower than the thin one.
Metal mass matters.

Thats why it takes so much power to heat an "art coil" like clapton coils.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I wouldn't use two different coils on a deck, I'd go with a multi wire type clapton to balance the load correctly.

I'd just see that if you have a disbalanced deck, if you have one coil that heats up faster then the other and it's a difference that's large enough, you could have a bunch of scenarios happen and none are good.

Remember: Electricity ALWAYS follow the path of less resistance.

So a Clapton with bunch of different wire would work fine, as long as your core is the same.

 

[Izan]

I'm planning a build where the coils will be 2 different builds. The plan I have is a 5 wrap 4mm coil in 24g and a 5 wrap 2'll in 26g. My coil calculator reads that they will be about the same resistance, but I'm wondering how the difference in heading would be. Anyone with some experience in this have any words of wisdom?

Hi and welcome,
I can appreciate your enthusiasm! Bravo.
However: Quick reality check.
Vaping has been around for over 10 years.

If there existed ANY benefit from doing a mixed coil build, don't you think there would already be huge threads here on ECF, on Reddit, on FailBook and the other forums dedicated to perfecting the "technique"? :contemplative_chin_scratch:


Listen the Mr.Bad Ninja and Mr.Tintreach

Cheers
I

 

[Oomee]

This post tell us you really don't understand how your gear works.

You should stop listening to whatever "wizards" are advising you, and take the time to learn about the gear you plan on using.
It sounds like the wizards don't understand how their gear works either.


Back to the op:
The coil with the thicker guage wire will heat slower than the thin one.
Metal mass matters.

Thats why it takes so much power to heat an "art coil" like clapton coils.

What is the catch you see in his view?

 

[Bad Ninja]

What is the catch you see in his view?

I can understand that. Especially if I used a mech mod, I wouldn't take the risk. I have the (admittedly stupid) concept that my regulated mod can allow for a little more safety in my builds.

This tells me the OP doesn't really understand the relationship between the build and the device.

What gave my the idea for different coils was a build video where one coil was a ribbon coil and the other was a thin gauge coil with a Dragon wick. The diameters looked closer, though

This tells me the OP is getting information from a bad ( and old) youtube video.

Old dragon coil on one side and ribbon coil on the other.

Sounds like a bad experiment rather than a suggested build.

 

[Kickingthesticks]

Or you can use two rda and two mods and just vape both at the same time lol. Yeah I get bored sometimes and do this. Roll the vapor around in your mouth and create complex flavors, it's fun. Step down the nic btw.

 

[vapdivrr]

This tells me the OP doesn't really understand the relationship between the build and the device.





This tells me the OP is getting information from a bad ( and old) youtube video.

Old dragon coil on one side and ribbon coil on the other.

Sounds like a bad experiment rather than a suggested build.

You haven't heard of the dragrib coil? It's awesome![emoji12]

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[VapNMirrors]

So long as the parallel resistance is high enough then it will "work" assuming the wicking holds up but this generally seems like an overly complex bad idea. A total nightmare for TC, probably best to optimize a single coil for flavour then match a pair.